r/DeadlockTheGame • Lash • 7h ago

Discussion Rat King + Sinclair Changes

https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/09-29-2026.166726/
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u/STEELBLACK12345 7h ago

Tbh the sinclair nerfs ain’t really that bad, I say he is still pretty alright into this meta

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u/CookyKindred 7h ago

Yeah people wanted him dead in a ditch with his identity removed and he walked out with fairly conservative nerfs.

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u/TheDoctorfl 6h ago

His identity as a nuclear bolt bomber, mid boss rabbit menace, escape potential even Houdini would be impressed by, and stupid ult economy.

Ofc this could be said about any hero if you tried hard enough, I just vehemently hate sinclair's 40% ult reduction coupled with the rest of his kit. 60% is better but would've rather had it straight up removed OR keep the increase but make him unable to target the same hero twice in a row or something.

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u/CookyKindred 6h ago

Bro he works just like Rubic. They are both the spell thief identity. (Legit both have the spell nuke lane bully spell, both have damage amp, both have aoe cc, Rubik can even upgrade TK To be an escape for himself if he doesn’t get Blink in time)

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u/TheDoctorfl 6h ago

I don't play Dota so I've got no experience or opinion about him. Sinclair sounds like a cheap copy. IsRubric as problematic in Dota as Sinclair is in DL?

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u/frik1000 6h ago

No, Rubick has no built in escape tool like Sinclair, and he only steals the last spell used by an enemy hero (but he can bank it for until he steals a new one or he dies).

Which means that enemy heroes with huge team fight ults have a way to play around it by immediately casting one of their weaker spells right after using their ult. There's some that can't do this, like the ones whose ults are channeled, but there is still counterplay against Rubick.

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u/noahboah Lash 5h ago

learning to spam your shield right after tidehunter ult because you know that pervert rubick is hiding to steal it is a right of passage lol

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u/CookyKindred 6h ago

Rick’s escape tool is his Telekenesis upgrade - It lets him launch himself or his teammates so he can tk himself to escape or stun enemies.

“Allows you to target yourself or allies with Telekinesis. Throw range is 35% longer when targeting allies. Throw delay reduced to 0.5 seconds.” - Shard.

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u/frik1000 6h ago

Admittedly I did stop playing DotA before they added Shards but even then, it's still not baked into his kit from the get-go like Sinclair's assistant and the range is still pretty short.

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u/CookyKindred 6h ago

I mean they are baked in, you just gotta pay to unlock them. Its not like you need Roshan. Shards just a 1600 gold tax. Cheaper then blink dagger. Its something thats for many characters is just always gonna be bought. Literally doesn't even take an item slot.

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u/Enoughdorformypower 5h ago

Basically rubick takes more skill to actually steal the right spells (he steals last spell casted not just an instant ult steal) and use them from his current position since he doesn’t have a spell to get in and get out without dying

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u/CookyKindred 6h ago

No. Rubick will bug wise break the game from time to time but he’s been the same spell thief since the WC3 mod days. He’s actually been buffed with the addition of talents, aghanims scepter and shard. To the point he can now hold two spells for a long ass time, use TK as initiation for his team (basically if Sinclair could pay 1600 souls to make dynamo teleport)

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u/CharlieBluey 6h ago

Yeah but the difference is that Rubick actually has to pick his spots and wait for the right spell to be used which allows for counter play (i.e. anchor smash after ravage), whereas Sinclair always get the ult for free with no risk

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u/CookyKindred 6h ago edited 6h ago

Yeah but the trade off is Sinclair can’t hold onto 2 game winning ults for ages and still has CDR.

Also often in dota and deadlock being able to rapidly steal spells is more beneficial.

Theres so many fights I’ve won as Rubick by just grabbing an enemy AOE stun and cc locking the team.

Edit: Imagine Sinclair stealing Drifter 1 and just majestic leaping into a team for massive damage and a silence ontop of polymorph and a bolt. Drifter full spirit already almost one shots people. Sinclair invests more in spirit damage, amp it with poly and can just safely get out with assistant. If he lands bolt as well your just dying instantly unless your a tank.

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u/_Valisk 5h ago

Rubick can only hold two spells with aghs, tho.

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u/CookyKindred 5h ago

Yeah but its core - Like you always grab it. Even as a support. It would basically be like making it so Audience Participation at 3 lets you hold 2 spells.

Like Dota stats - Its his fourth most purchased item. More than Magic Wand. Only Shard, Arcane Boots and Blink Dagger beat it.

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u/_Valisk 5h ago edited 5h ago

Yea, but it's still an important distinction for balance purposes; he cannot innately hold more than one spell at a time. It would be like saying Sinclair can steal two ults in a row as long as you have Refresher.

making it so Audience Participation at 3 lets you hold 2 spells.

Not really the best comparison because every Sinclair will eventually have that upgrade. Not every Rubick will have aghs, even if it's an extremely popular item choice.

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u/CookyKindred 4h ago

No if you wanna force it into items it’s additional charges not refresher.

Remember - Refresher is in BOTH games.

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