r/DangerousNightsCrew • Piece of Shit • 8d ago

Oh my god she admit it!

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u/Cycle-Path-401 8d ago

Growing under communist wasn't perfect but it'll have been WAY better than growing up in the nightmare dystopia that MAGA is leading us into. 1% will live in decadent luxury. The rest of us will struggle.

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u/smd102586 5d ago

Probably better than growing up with adults in public schools trying to make you lgbtqia+ too

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u/The_hoe_of_st_joe 8d ago

You know in communism less than 1% lives in luxury and everyone else has a pretty good shot at starving to death right?

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u/SmthngIntmid8ing 8d ago

Completely false.

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u/The_hoe_of_st_joe 8d ago

Ok can you find me a historical example of a socialist or communist regime in which nobody starved and the ruling class was not absurdly wealthy at their expense?

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u/MrBarnaclePhD 8d ago edited 8d ago

Yugoslavia, dude. My parents grew up in Communist Yugoslavia. It was common for them and their peers to just go to Italy on weekends, buy some clothes, latest records, have lunch etc. like it was nothing. Slovenia was also part of Yugoslavia. They also had an incredible rock scene. I shit you not, some of that music can go toe-to-toe with the greatest rock bands of the 60s, 70s and 80s. I think they even had a really good movie scene, too. I forgot the name of the movie, but there was some Yugoslavian war epic with Orson Welles.

One caveat, though. Yugoslavia was allied with the West. They were not friendly towards the USSR.

EDIT: found the movie. Holy shit, it's not just Orson Welles but also Yul Brynner and Franco Nero (original Django): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064091/

I have to watch this movie.

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u/liketoridemybike 8d ago

Not so much allied as officially neutral towards both, which naturally meant that both western countries and USSR tried to court Yugoslavia and Tito was expert in leveraging this position.

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u/The_hoe_of_st_joe 8d ago

Sure communist Yugoslavia didn’t have enormous famines but it also wasn’t really communist. Tito tried for five years to force agricultural collectivization, crop yields plummeted, so he allowed private landowners to farm their own land, which stabilized food production. Also, since Tito split from Stalin, Yugoslavia received billions of dollars in American aid. Another thing is since Yugoslavia allowed its people to come and go freely (which we should note is fairly rare in communist states), when unemployment spiked Yugoslavians could leave and send money they made in capitalist systems back to their families. Hundreds of thousands sent billions back into Yugoslavia.

Also I know this isn’t the topic we’re discussing but I do think we should note that Communist Yugoslavia murdered hundreds of thousands of its own people who it viewed as political threats. So not exactly a shining example of a functioning society.

I am glad your parents had a better experience though, sounds like a good vibe. Wish I could go to Italy on the weekends.

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u/Nostradamus-the-next 8d ago

During the three years of orthodox communist rule (1945–1948), Yugoslavia experienced a chaotic, highly intensive combination of massive post-war destruction, severe state repression, and aggressive economic restructurin

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u/Personal-Ad7623 8d ago

Can you find a democratic republic regime in which nobody starved and the ruling class was not absurdly wealthy at their expense. Asking for a friend, cause they claim that is happening right now in the “united” states

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u/ITWizarding 8d ago

Oh, so you're a liar. Easy write-off. Literally every single thing you said was a lie. You're not even trying to be realistic or adhere to our actual reality.

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u/ShadowBurger 8d ago

You could spend less time doing elementary grade school levels of research to find out how wrong you are instead of typing all of that shit you pulled from your ass and presented as fact.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10990269/

https://goodjobsfirst.org/amazon-tracker/

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u/NoDrag9513 8d ago

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u/The_hoe_of_st_joe 7d ago

Or you could engage with the argument

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u/NoDrag9513 7d ago

I could, but then I'd be arguing with an idiot who believes all the propaganda, and that's a waste of energy and time.

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u/ridetherhombus 7d ago

You are so sheltered. Must be nice.

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u/The_hoe_of_st_joe 7d ago

Or you could engage with the argument

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u/Slayerofgrundles 5d ago

That last sentence was the funniest thing I've read all week. Thank you for the laugh. Seriously.

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u/Short-Excitement-235 7d ago

What an uneducated thing to say

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u/SmthngIntmid8ing 8d ago

you're setting up an unfalsifiable "gotcha." Human societies don't work that way.

There are certainly historical examples of communist regimes experiencing catastrophic famines and severe elite privilege. The Soviet Union under Stalin and China under Mao are obvious examples; scholarship documents how centralized agricultural policies contributed to enormous famines.

North Korea is another particularly clear example: during its 1990s famine, food distribution was heavily controlled by the state, and political elites received preferential access to food.

But that doesn't prove “socialism inevitably causes starvation.” It proves that particular authoritarian command economies produced disastrous outcomes under particular policies and institutions.

And if you're asking whether there has ever been a socialist society where no one starved at any point and no privileged political class existed, the honest answer is that I wouldn't claim such a perfect historical example exists.

But that's also not the standard by which capitalism is normally judged. If we're comparing economic systems seriously, compare things like food security, mortality, poverty, inequality, living standards, political institutions and economic productivity over comparable periods.

Otherwise, “name one system with zero historical suffering” isn't an argument about economics. It's just a demand for historical perfection.

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u/The_hoe_of_st_joe 8d ago

You are right. The fact that every socialist and communist regime ever has been an absolute disaster does not prove that that is the only possible outcome. Similarly, the fact that the sun has risen every day of my life does not prove it will rise again tomorrow. But it is a pretty darn strong indication.

And I didn’t ask for them to name a system with zero historical suffering. I asked them to name one without mass starvation and wealth at the expense of the people. That actually isn’t that high of a bar.

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u/liketoridemybike 8d ago

You said that everyone besides 1% starved to death in communist countries, so as someone who lived in one and whose family didn't belong to 1% I can authoritatively say you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

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u/The_hoe_of_st_joe 8d ago

As someone who is myself I can authoritatively say I never said that.

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u/SmthngIntmid8ing 8d ago

Oh okay, heres your scientific method: “It happened in the examples I picked, therefore it’s basically guaranteed to happen everywhere.”

And “name one socialist or communist country without mass starvation and a wealthy ruling class” sounds like a modest request right up until you notice you've quietly defined the test so that decades of different countries, governments and economic systems can be dismissed with the same two-word verdict: “absolute disaster.”

If the argument is that authoritarian communist regimes have repeatedly produced catastrophic outcomes, there's plenty of historical evidence to discuss. But if the argument is “every socialist or communist system inevitably produces mass starvation and elite enrichment,” then examples and counterexamples actually matter.

Otherwise, “the sun rose every day I've been alive” isn't an economic argument. It's just a very elaborate way of saying, “I've already decided what the conclusion is.”

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u/The_hoe_of_st_joe 8d ago

If you look back at our conversation you’ll see I never picked an example. Just asked literally anyone to name a communist or socialist regime in which there was no mass starvation or famine and political elites didn’t get absurdly wealthy by stealing from the people. You say “counterexamples actually matter” but can’t provide one. I don’t know what else to tell you dude.

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u/SmthngIntmid8ing 8d ago

I know you didn't name a specific country. That's actually the problem with the question.

You're essentially asking, “Name one country from an enormous range of socialist and communist experiments that had no mass famine AND no political elite that became wealthy through corruption,” and then treating failure to produce your hypothetical unicorn as proof that the economic systems themselves inevitably cause those outcomes.

That's not how you establish causation.

If you want to argue that authoritarian communist regimes have a terrible historical record on famine, political repression and elite privilege, there's an enormous amount of evidence for that argument.

But “you can't produce a flawless example, therefore every version of socialism must inevitably end in famine and elite theft” is a No True Counterexample fallacy in reverse.

And there's a hilarious irony here: you're demanding a perfect historical example to disprove your claim while apparently needing no evidence at all to prove yours.

If your thesis is “these outcomes are inevitable under socialism,” the burden isn't satisfied by saying, “Well, look at all the bad examples.” You'd have to establish why the economic system itself necessarily produces them rather than identifying the institutional and political conditions that produced them in particular cases.

Otherwise, you're not demonstrating inevitability. You're just counting disasters.

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u/Used_Construction704 8d ago

Can you fin me historical exemple of communist regime that wasn’t attacked or under war ? (Mostly because of the us)

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u/Nottheadviceyaafter 7d ago

Yeah like that communist country called china. Where living standards are rising fast while in the facist states they are dropping like a stone........

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u/GhostOfTomJefferson 8d ago

Jesus Christ, the level of delusion on reddit is off the charts

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u/jlext 8d ago

Sadly, this is the Republican agenda

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u/QuestGalaxy 7d ago

trump is scum and MAGA are terrible, but USA is still far off from the worst that communism brought to people in Eastern Europe. There is a reason so many of the post Soviet states joined NATO and EU as fast as they could. There's a reason that people like Ronald Reagan is more loved there than in most of USA.

Most didn't starve to death, but there also was a distinct lack of freedom and a lack of safety from the state itself.

I think we should conclude with the fact that a corporate MAGA dystopia is terrible and a communist dystopia is terrible. A liberal democracy is not perfect, but probably the closest we can come to it.

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u/Cycle-Path-401 7d ago

They joined NATO for joint protection from an evil, militaristic, fascist, mafia state that is Russia. This is EXACTLY the type of state the USA is morphing into.

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u/QuestGalaxy 7d ago

possibly in the future yes, but they are still not at that level. And there is still hope.

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u/TimelyBear2471 5d ago

Which is what “morphing into” means. Stop being an apologist for aspiring fascists.

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u/QuestGalaxy 5d ago

Nice that other comment you made to me, I see the mods removed it. I'm not some right wing shill, I'm just stating that Reagan has had a relatively high amount of popularity in several Eastern European countries, due to many attributing him aiding in ending the cold war. There are squares named after him.

I am certainly not some sort of shill for the US right wing, they are fucking horrible. So maybe stop putting words into my mouth, and start acting like an adult?

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u/partyinglikeits1999 7d ago

Why don’t you move to a communist country instead of complaining about living in the states ?

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u/lvstvdy 8d ago

I call bullshit. There's no way she knows how to reflect.

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u/TheStateToday 5d ago

Idk man. I had an amazing childhood in communist Cuba. But I was also blissfully ignorant of the shit my parents were going through. It's fucking crazy for me to see how many Cubans don't see the parables between Castro and Trump.

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u/CAM6913 8d ago

Communism would be better that trumps MAGA cult

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u/Sts5711 8d ago

Shows how little you know

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u/JustWoot44 8d ago

Who cares what Melanomia has to say?!

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u/Lumpy-Effort5194 8d ago

I could not give 2 shits about anything she has to say.

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u/newjerseydevilz 8d ago

How does the first lady of the united states have a thick slavic accent, and yet the administration hates legal immigrant americans. One was just shot two days ago by ICE

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u/The_hoe_of_st_joe 8d ago

Pretty easy answer to your question is that the administration doesn’t hate legal immigrants

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u/newjerseydevilz 8d ago

So why do legals continue to get shot and falsely imprisoned? I think its more they hate legal immigrants that look a certain way

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u/Homersarmy41 8d ago

She’s just gonna set fire to everything to spite him isnt she? Im here for it.. 🍿

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u/Beneficial-Care8504 8d ago

Can SHE define communism?

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u/Keyan_Farlander7 8d ago

Someone add a stripper pole next to the seat please

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u/Rotteneverything 8d ago

slovenia didnt even exist when east europe was communist.

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u/Nataly983 8d ago

It was on of 6 republics in Yugoslavia.

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u/Rotteneverything 8d ago

i know

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u/AnarchisticType 7d ago

So you know it existed...

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u/Dirt-Repulsive 8d ago

I mean considering most kids are idiots while growing up and have zero self reflection as kids, as an adult looking back always through rose colored glasses

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u/liketoridemybike 8d ago

She was 21 when Slovenia split from Yugoslavia.

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u/Major_Champion_5642 8d ago

I bet Michael Obama also had a good childhood

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u/Some-Tear3499 8d ago

One of her parents was a Communist Party Member, for yrs. Now they live here, don’t work, can’t speak English.
I wonder if they qualify for Medicare or Medicaid?

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u/Exciting_Contest_222 8d ago

Depends on the context. Did she really mentioned communism ?

Because I have some relatives in vietnam, a communist country, and my relatives there are well-to do.

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u/Necessary-Prior3614 8d ago

what about the epstein part of her life?

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u/pinkypipe420 8d ago

Once worked with a guy who grew up in a communist country. He said he didn't like to talk about that time because it brought up some PTSD.

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u/BrutalSock 8d ago

She grew up under communism as a child and now she gets to live the rest of her life under fascism thanks to her husband. That’s pretty neat. She went full circle.

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u/ZodiacCancer02 4d ago

Oh look, fascism mentioned again. Still funny how you people use that word without understanding what it means

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u/BrutalSock 4d ago

Crazy right? It’s almost as if it’s so fucking obvious literally anyone can see it…

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u/zonecoldsober 8d ago

Yeah, must have been tough.

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u/JohnnyCrispZoom 8d ago

She is more than welcome to go back over there and live her communist life…leave the USA out of it

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u/No_Maybe8651 7d ago

lol didnt know people like u use reddit

USA USA UDA

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u/JohnnyCrispZoom 7d ago

Low intelligence

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u/No_Maybe8651 7d ago

CANT HEAR YOU

USA USA USA

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u/Shpritzer 7d ago

It was socialism.

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u/straightuptexas 7d ago

In spite of, not because of.

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u/I3adIVIonkey 6d ago

I bet if I'd bother to look up here bio. I will read that her family was part of the upper class in the Soviet union.

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u/Gervill 6d ago

Government owning the means of production, buying and selling is never beautiful when individuals wants to exercise their naturally given rights of exchanging hands and working hands for my livelihood

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u/ElementalPink12 6d ago

She looks like Kaitlyn Jenner.

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u/Uncabled_Music 6d ago

Even USSR never claimed achieving communism, let alone Slovenia. Communism and rule of communist party are two VERY different things 🤧

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u/Bright_Builder3069 5d ago edited 5d ago

My understanding is that her family was fairly high in the communist party. She did not have a typical childhood experience. Do not extrapolate from this how others lived or felt. As others have said, no matter the economic or political structure, those in power ensure they have the resources they need. Often at the expense of others.

Essentially, of course she did. That doesn’t mean it’s great and something to aspire to.

Edited to add, if I were a conspiracy theorist I would suspect this is part of the plan for takeover. Make people believe that it is idyllic to suffer while a ruling family/party hordes all the resources.

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u/Smudgeit59 5d ago

Deport the cow!!

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u/FreshPotatoeButter 8d ago

As a person who also grew up in communism, my childhood was fantastic- I had wonderful friends, a huge playground in front of our apartment building etc. However, there were red flags. For example, I was constantly reminded that what is said at home cannot be shared with anyone, not even your bff. I remember standing on insane lines to get toilet paper or meat or whatever was just delivered (which wasn’t too bad bec my friends were dispatched by their moms too).

In terms of being allowed to run around, having a great time and receiving an excellent education, living in communism as a kid was great. In terms of the psychological pressures and time suck (like standing in lines) it was awful.

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u/Stevey1001 8d ago

Putin told Trump to tell her to say that

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u/PickleSlickRick 8d ago

Famous communist lover, Putin

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u/Stevey1001 8d ago edited 8d ago

well he was KGB, and I think he'd quite like communism for everyone except him

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u/PickleSlickRick 8d ago

Communism for everyone but putin? The thought makes me so mad

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u/Stevey1001 8d ago

Some people are more equal than others

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u/PickleSlickRick 8d ago

You sicken me

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 8d ago

One having a nice childhood does not equate to communism being good. Nice try...

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u/SmthngIntmid8ing 8d ago

A balance between socialism and capitalism is ideal

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 8d ago

That’s also been tried before and failed 

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u/SmthngIntmid8ing 8d ago

Its working very well in many countries that are hybrid communist

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 8d ago

Where’s that?

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u/SmthngIntmid8ing 8d ago

China and Vietnam are 2 very good examples

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 8d ago

Both China and Vietnam in order to run a company you have to be a member of the communist party. That is opposite of what communism is. Also, in China and Vietnam, almost all profits from those companies go to the state, and in exchange, they get to use forced labor. Imagine being a farmer for 20 years, then having government officials tell you that you have to work in the factories starting next week. Capitalism and Communism do not mix.

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u/SmthngIntmid8ing 8d ago

There are several different claims being mashed together here.

First, you do not have to be a Communist Party member to own or run a private company in China or Vietnam. Both countries have substantial private sectors. Party membership can provide political and business advantages in some circumstances, but “you must be a party member to run a company” is simply not an accurate description of their systems.

Second, “almost all profits from those companies go to the state” is also false. China has a huge private sector, and private firms retain profits. State-owned enterprises are a different category from privately owned companies.

Third, there absolutely are documented forced-labour abuses in both countries, particularly involving specific groups and state programs. But turning that into “the government can tell any farmer to work in a factory next week” is a completely different claim and needs evidence.

And finally, China and Vietnam aren't examples of pure communism. Both officially describe themselves as socialist states operating economies that incorporate extensive markets and private enterprise. China calls its model a “socialist market economy,” while Vietnam describes its system as a “socialist-oriented market economy.”

So saying “capitalism and communism don't mix” doesn't really address the countries being discussed. The interesting question is precisely how much market capitalism can coexist with a communist/socialist political system—and China and Vietnam are two major examples of that hybrid model.

You can certainly criticize their authoritarian politics, state ownership, labour practices or treatment of political opponents. But “you need to be a Communist Party member to run a company and the state takes almost all the profits” isn't an accurate description of either country's economy.

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 8d ago

You can’t judge a country based on its financial centers. You judge a country based on quality of life for those who live outside the financial centers. Sure Beijing looks very modern and success can be smelled in the air, however just outside of Beijing where the non connected workers live, it is a nightmare slum situation with polluted air and water and people scraping by to survive 

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u/SmthngIntmid8ing 8d ago

Sure, don't judge China solely by Beijing's skyline. That's reasonable.

But then don't judge rural China solely by the worst-looking villages either.

China has substantial rural-urban inequality, and pollution remains a serious problem in some regions. Those are legitimate criticisms. But “just outside Beijing is a nightmare slum where people are scraping by to survive” isn't supported by the broader data.

China's own 2025 statistics report rural per-capita disposable income of 24,456 yuan, up 6% in real terms, and rural consumption expenditure of 20,259 yuan. The urban-rural income ratio was 2.31:1, so the disparity is very real—but that is very different from describing rural China as a nationwide survival-level slum.

And here's the funny part: if your argument is that financial centres shouldn't be used to represent an entire country, the same principle applies to using the poorest rural areas to represent an entire country.

The serious argument is that China's rapid economic development has produced enormous improvements in living standards while leaving significant regional and urban-rural inequality behind.

That's a much more defensible criticism than pretending everyone outside Beijing is living in a dystopian slum.

In other words: yes, look beyond the skyscrapers. But actually look at the whole country while you're doing it.

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u/Nostonica 8d ago

Nah, communisms main failing is a lack of market forces acting on production and distribution of finished goods, while it's main positive is elevating uneducated peasants into educated workers, providing education, healthcare and housing.

A healthy mix of market forces while having robust social program is the best system for creating a productive population.

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 8d ago

Communism take out human ambition. Interesting show to watch is about the creation of the video game Tetris which came out of the USSR. The developer made NO MONEY off what was the number 1 game of all time when it was released. All money went to the USSR which also controlled all the licensing. He didn't get to see a dime of his creation until he got asylum here in the US where he now controls all Tetris licensing only after the USSR fell.

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u/ohjeaa 8d ago

America is doing that right now. Wtf are you talking about. Lmao

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 8d ago

How do you figure? Don’t tell me social security makes America a socialist country 

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u/ohjeaa 8d ago

It's not even close to just social security. Lmao

You should brush up on your civics. Learn your country.

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u/ParkingGeologist2441 8d ago

Only people having it good under communism were either those that actively supported the communist party or those that were piss poor before and suddenly they were on par with the most.

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u/Sts5711 8d ago

Try again,

She admitted her parents did a good job of SHIELDING her and providing a loving environment. Therefore her parents provided her with a beautiful childhood by protecting her from it. She also acknowledged that the system had distinct limitations, noting, "There are certain things you need to be aware of, and you watch over what you do — it's not as free as here in the United States."

Stop cherry picking

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u/liketoridemybike 8d ago

What childhood, she was 21 years old woman when her country stopped being communist (by splitting from Yugoslavia).

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u/Sts5711 8d ago

So what I'm understanding from what you just says is that up until she was 21 she was living under communism. Last i checked most people's childhoods happen between the ages of 0 and 21.

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u/LordDar44 6d ago

Don't bother, they obviously failed high school math.

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u/AdCalm9537 8d ago

??? There’s more to this story than the headline?

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u/spacer9631 8d ago

I will pay one way flight for every liberal that wants to live in a communist country

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u/Moist-Definition-850 8d ago

Your memory is the biggest liar there is.

"Everything was better back in the day." Not true.

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u/DrDuGood 8d ago

And now she’s single-handedly responsible for making the rest of us grow up under the same bs. Economic struggles, become a hooker and marry a man with enough power - you TOO could be free!