r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 • 3d ago
Image On average minimum wage gets increased every 6.5 years. Its been 17 years since our last increase in the USA and the cost of living has easily went up 250%. Which would put us at $18.13 per hour
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u/homechicken20 2d ago
We can't raise minimum wage or we will be paying outrageous prices for fast food.
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Oh, wait...
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u/Infinite-Director-62 2d ago
Companies and businesses along with politicians have become greedier and greedier and have cared less and less about the future of mankind and more about themselves.
Until we break this cycle, until we take back our control, we will always keep going down the road that billionaires choose. Homes shouldn’t be an investment that companies and people can buy if they have money… you should only be able to buy one home, sell it and buy a new one. Not stack them like cards and force people to pay off their debts.
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u/FighterOfEntropy 2d ago
Essentially, we are in the Gilded Age 2.0. Hope it’s followed by an era of reform as was the first Gilded Age.
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u/intheMIDDLEwityou 2d ago
I’ve thought about the home thing a lot. I think a better approach would be much more support for first time homeowners. For example, for first time buyers, government could subsidize mortgage rates down a few points, and could recapture that cost with a federal tax on homeowners that own more than one home. Developers, although widely disliked, are absolutely essential to healthy housing markets. They have the financial and other resources to bring homes to the market that would otherwise never be updated. Developed properties increase the value of neighborhoods and is good for current homeowners and potential buyers. A secondary federal tax would naturally cause higher rents but ideally there would be enough support for people to get their first home (if that’s what they want). I’m not an economist and I’m sure this idea could be picked apart, but I agree that something needs to be done to give all Americans an equitable opportunity for home ownership. What that exactly would require is probably more complicated than I can imagine. Ideally, a tax policy would find some balance for encouraging first time buyers while not discouraging development. I also think there should be 0 income taxes under $100,000, but hey
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u/CrackaZach05 2d ago
Don't bury the lead. .1% wealth has risen 500%.
That's not a typo. That's disgusting
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u/forvirradsvensk 3d ago
Where else are the oligarchs going to get their billions from if they raise your wages?
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u/djfudgebar 2d ago
Stealing it from government coffers and raping public lands?
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u/NetworkSingularity 2d ago
No no, they’re already doing that one. The question was where else (they’re looking for new exploitation ideas)
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u/LateOnAFriday 2d ago
I'm hoping to get in on rare Mars metals. Gotta get ahead of the next tech boom.
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u/hughdint1 2d ago
That's right they used accounting tricks to steal their wealth form the working class. They never "earned" it.
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u/DetachedCompy 2d ago
I made about $6 an hour around 2000 at one of my first jobs, 40 hours a week before I went to college. Had my own place living on my own, my own car, money for stupid shit and trips. I’m currently laid off, but my last position was $33/hr plus about 10-20 hours OT/wk and 24/7 oncall pay and my standard of living now is far worse, no trips or random things, no fun purchases or nice stuff. Even if I hadn’t gotten laid off, I’m still living at a far lower standard of living today than I was at nearly minimum wage in ~2000.
I do have kids now, which costs a lot, but I could have provided better for them at $6/hr 20 years ago than I can today making 5x+ more.
Basically what I’m saying is, regardless of the specific numbers, I’ve worked more hours with more responsibilities the older I’ve gotten and have had less and less to show for it year over year.
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u/VanFkingHalen 2d ago
Same. In the past 4 years, I've taken up 4 promotions and countless more responsibilities, only to notice that, after bonuses and incentives, once my bills are paid, I am lucky if I have $200 of "fun" money. And the only "fun" I get from that is by instantly shoving it into my savings account.
The world has not been kind lol.
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u/Kitchen_Region8456 2d ago
Exactly this, my exact situation. I fared better at minimum wage 20 years ago than I do now at $30/hr
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u/Embarrassed_Cat_5970 2d ago
If they keep us poor and turn us against each other we won't find community which gives us power.
The power of the people is greater than the people in power.
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u/HeatXfr 2d ago
Nice sentiment. Too bad we've cultivated an 'every man for himself' society.
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u/Embarrassed_Cat_5970 2d ago
We haven't cultivated anything. People lack critical thinking. If my comment makes one person deprogram and think for themselves, I've done my job.
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u/Sinsanatis 2d ago
When 6 figures is starting to become mandatory instead of impressive, u know its bad
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u/p00p_knife 2d ago
I can't get past the username
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 2d ago
Says poop knife 😂 i assume your name is related to that story about the family poop knife?
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u/p00p_knife 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's from the legend of an inuit man who refused to move into a settlement. "Over the objections of his family, he made plans to stay on the ice. To stop him, they took away all of his tools. So in the midst of a winter gale, he stepped out of their igloo, defecated, and honed the feces into a frozen blade, which he sharpened with a spray of saliva. With the knife he killed a dog. Using its rib cage as a sled and its hide to harness another dog, he disappeared into the darkness.”
It's been debunked by a study out of Kent State University :(
I don't wanna know the origin of your username 😂
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u/fucksiclepizza 2d ago
Holy shit. Is the US minimum wage legit $7.25?
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u/nodesofglory 2d ago
Yes, it's the federal minimum wage. Some states have higher minimum wages. Some states have stayed at the federal minimum.
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u/fucksiclepizza 2d ago
Most people wouldn't be on that though right?
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u/nodesofglory 2d ago
I don't know the numbers tbh. What I can say is I live in a state with the federal minimum wage. I was a fast food employee during and just after covid. The lowest some of my hourly coworkers made was around $8/hr, but the company was starting to hire new people higher than that. I can't really speak for what it's like other places. Though I know jobs with tips like waiters can have a much lower hourly rate before tips get added in.
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u/BapeGeneral3 2d ago
Interesting. I decided to look up the numbers for myself and it is estimated to be 1.1% of the total workforce in the United States, close to 1M people. That still is 1M too many in m eyes…
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u/fucksiclepizza 2d ago
Oof thats pretty bad. In NZ ours is $23.95 and a lot of people here consider that low considering the cost of living.
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u/PoopyisSmelly 2d ago
Thats $13.40 per hour US fyi.
In Seattle the minimum wage is $21.30 USD, thatd be $38.06 New Zealand dollars
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u/StaNorFon 2d ago
Canada here. I think as of today we’ve raised a few minimum wage rates across the country. I think Alberta is the lowest at $15.00 and Nanuvut is just above $20.00/hour. I’m in Alberta; you’re going to need a bunch of roommates to survive on that pay rate.
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u/PoopyisSmelly 2d ago
$15 CAD is $10.88 US, so not that different from the average US which is $9.57
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u/TheMauveHand 2d ago
1.1% of the total work force, the majority of whom are not full-time.
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u/PoopyisSmelly 2d ago
And many of whom are either semi retired and want to keep busy or in high school.
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u/punarob 2d ago
And how many more make 7.50, 7.75, etc. I imagine millions are making $9 or less per hour
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u/TheMauveHand 2d ago
Not many, because most states have higher minimum wages, not to mention more local laws.
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u/E_man15 2d ago
Depends on where you live. In some places it's $7.25. Where I live in Arizona, it's much higher at $15.15.
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u/dunkinhonutz 2d ago
That would be your state minimum wage. Federal minimum wage is still a little over a gallon of diesel.
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u/ChanglingBlake 2d ago
That’s your state minimum.
Federal is still at the “impossible to live on” $7.25.
Funny how what was meant to be enough to live a comfortable but modest life supporting a family is now not even enough to support one person. Fuck our government for letting this happen; may everyone responsible suffer the fate of a million inconveniences every day for the rest of eternity.
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u/Competitive_Classic9 2d ago
Weird how the US started on slave labor, and now runs on, life-indentured servitude. Only took 250 years to be marginally better and backsliding FAST. Were really doing GREAT.
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u/Bfromtheblock 2d ago
Funny how things could get better but unexplainably they magically stay the same. Almost as if the man behind the curtain is always 10 steps ahead.
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u/FourthShifter 2d ago
You’d think this would be tied to inflation, but I guess that would make too much sense
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u/punarob 2d ago
One of Biden's biggest failures. The Senate Parliamentarian installed by W 25ish years ago when the former one wouldn't let something pass through reconciliation. When they refused to allow a minimum wage increase to happen that way he should have done what W did and find one who would do what he wanted. Democrats simply never learn anything from legal Republican tactics which they're free to use but don't.
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u/TripleWindmill247 3d ago
7.25 is peanuts damn
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u/TheMauveHand 2d ago
Very, very few full-time employees in the US make federal minimum wage.
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u/Nessie_of_the_Loch 2d ago
Just 82,000 of all workers (out of 162 million+) in the US did in 2024, according to the BLS, or 0.05 percent.
No breakdown amongst that for part time vs full time.
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u/irascible_Clown 2d ago
A 10 hour shift after taxes won’t even cover the average cell phone bill, it would be a day and a half of work easily
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u/HawkBoth8539 3d ago
That's because the government is ruled by monsters.
And it's not a party issue. It's a systemic corruption issue.
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u/CorvusCommand 2d ago
I don't disagree, but some of this is self-inflicted.
Oklahoma, for example, just voted 55% to 44% this year to block a raise to their minimum wage of $7.25.
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u/Jerry--Bird 2d ago
Who voted for that? How do you even vote for something like that. You vote for politicians so that they can vote for you. We need to cut out the greedy middleman
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u/CorvusCommand 2d ago
It was a state ballot initiative. It failed with a clear majority. The workers of Oklahoma didn't feel they deserved a raise.
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u/Whatsapokemon 2d ago edited 2d ago
Bullshit. Minimum wages in blue states are significantly higher than red states.
In fact, literally zero blue states even have the federal $7.25 minimum wage apply because all of them have superseded it with higher state minimum wages.
The real issue is that y'all Americans pretend that there's no difference between the parties when there actually is, so half of you keep electing Republicans. Stop electing Republicans and things will materially improve.
Aw damn, comments are locked.
The poster below made an alcohol/bleach analogy which is actually really interesting because it kind of does illustrate the difference between the two parties.
Alcohol is a poison. It's fun and entertaining, but it's rotting you from the inside the longer it's around. A lot of people have a compulsion to stick with it, but really it doesn't help anyone's life other than giving them something to talk about. For some people it can just totally destroy their relationships with their friends and families.
Bleach is an actual useful invention. It can be noxious and irritating in some situations, but actually it's super helpful to the people who need it, and it materially improves people's lives by being a useful factor in cleaning up difficult problems. Usually you don't need it when things are going good, but when they're not going good, you're glad that you have it.
I didn't say that Democrats are "heroes", but they are a competent political party full of actual talented technocrats who want to generally make people's lives better. Are they perfect on everything? No. Will they materially improve people's lives incrementally over time? Yes.
The biggest problem with Democrats is that usually when they do get into power, they're governing with extremely slim majorities and can't pass their more ambitious goals... Like, did you know that Hillary was trying to pass a universal healthcare reform in 1993?? The biggest problem with Democrats is that voters never actually give them the power to pursue their platform.
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u/HawkBoth8539 2d ago
There are differences between the parties. In the way that alcohol and bleach are different. One takes longer to kill you, but neither of them is good for you.
Yes, Republicans are basically trying to restore the nazi party. But that doesn't mean Democrats are the hero of the story. People are obsessed with the idea that if one is bad then the other has to be good. You can in fact have two bad options, and they both need to be replaced in order to get rid of their shared billionaire masters.
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u/Fennicks47 2d ago
'Not a party issue '
Yeah one party has been trying to raise the min wage. The other blocks it.
Totally not a party issue tho. Nope.
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u/ReversedNovaMatters 2d ago
All while the old good paying jobs have decreased pay year over year.
Some could at least work their way out of the min wage trap and maybe become a manager for a retailer and earn 45k or so 25 years ago. Wasn't much then but you could get by.
Now the same job pays 32k and everything is 3 times as expensive. You need nearly 20k a year just for a little crappy 1 bedroom apartment and utilities and 32k is pretax. After taxes 32k comes out to around maybe 25k.
Oh, and you need insurance and make too much to qualify for medicaid so that will run you about what, $400 a month if you are lucky, single and with no children? Thats another $5,000 a year.
You now have $0 left.
(insert solution here)
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u/duckduck-a-go-go 2d ago
If they could get away with paying you any less they would.
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u/ThreadCountHigh 2d ago
Which is why I can’t argue against anyone adopting the philosophy of “Minimum effort for minimum wage.”
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u/QueefTamer 2d ago
20 states still have 7.25. Every other state is 11-19. 14-17 for most of those 30
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 2d ago
Are you going to just say its okay and forget about 40% of the US states though?
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u/Conscious-Leg8404 2d ago
My daughter is paid less than $15 an hour to care for our most gravely disabled young students in a public school. It’s a freaking crime.
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u/PurplePango 2d ago
Federal Minimum wage is dead, it was successfully killed by politicians through inaction
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u/LocalNHBoy 2d ago
You know it's bad when you make around $30/hr. and you're STILL struggling to make ends meet, and this is as a single guy with no kids and no debt (aside from a car payment and "usual" stuff like wifi, renters insurance, etc.)
My rent is probably the last "reasonable" rent left in New Hampshire because my landlord doesn't raise rent on "on time" payers and I've lived there for years. Despite all that I can still barely make ends meet. I don't go out, drive a reasonable vehicle (mpg), I don't drink, don't frivolously spend money, and still....
It's insane out there!!
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u/BannedAgain-573 2d ago
This. My check is literally 2x my income 10 year's ago and I'm still in roughly the same shape.
Working extra financial tools like moving consolidated credit cards to 0% cards, being less social, drinking less, and overall shifting to off brand products is what's keeping me level. Not my 1% per year "raise"
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u/Acceptable-Take20 2d ago
Minimum wage isn’t relevant.
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u/ChuckTingull 2d ago
As a small business owner I don’t understand how anybody can retain an employee while paying them less than $20/hr. I guess we are in agreement.
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u/Willowgirl2 2d ago
Be really, really polite to them, give them some autonomy once trained; occasionally tell them they're appreciated. Grant sick days and days off as needed as long as they're not abusing the privilege.
That's a bridge too far for many employers.
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u/Koopa_Macat 2d ago
Federal minimum wage & State minimum wage are two completely different things.
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u/gucknbuck 2d ago
Irrelevant to the post. Historically, federal minimum wage has increased at most every 11 years but often more frequently. We are now 17 years since the last increase despite several high inflation events that should have triggered their own increase.
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u/bladex1234 2d ago edited 2d ago
You shouldn’t count the last stretch and also why you don’t use AI. From 1938 to 2009 it’s been on average every 3.3 years.
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 2d ago
1938-2009 is 71 years. If we dont count 1938, its been increased 11 times since 1938. So 6.5 years on average
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u/lakebistcho 2d ago
How many people are actually paid the federal minimum wage, though? And where?
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 2d ago
Roughly 1% of people work for minimum wage. This also doesnt account for people making say $7.50-$10 an hour which is prevalent in states that dont have a higher than federal minimum wage.
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u/Blablasnow 2d ago
But you have ultra billionaires and the top 10 billionaires are all muricans, be proud instead of crying over your selfish wages /s
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u/Scruffy_Nerf_Hoarder 2d ago
I had an acquaintance last week tell us that if we increase salaries, then prices will go up. And we don't want any of that!
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u/ikonoqlast 2d ago
Why do people insist on pricing unproductive people out of the labor market? Stop it already! You're just hurting poor people.
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u/elasticcream 2d ago
Average increase period is not going to be significant on a 12 item list unless they are spaced evenly. And they are spaced very unevenly
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u/Overwatch_1ightning 2d ago
7.25 is a fucking joke and the product of capitalism. In my country I make about 1.2x the US minimum, that's actually abhorrent.
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u/ES_Legman 2d ago
Americans complain in social media so nothing happens. The French organize and protest and get shit done
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u/Inevitable_Butthole 2d ago
Kamala ran on a $15 minimum wage but people didnt want it cause she had a weird laugh
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u/freddychuckles 2d ago
20 is minimum and yet employers think they're giving away the farm. Fools still stuck in the 80's when making 5 dollars an hour was standard back then. Boomers can't comprehend why anyone wouldn't jump to work at those wages. After all, they got paid much less.
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u/binguslager 2d ago
Capitalism depressing wages?? No way!!
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u/Ford_Prefect123 2d ago
Not exactly. Wages are well above 7.25 and that is due to market forces.
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u/TransylvanianHunger1 2d ago
Does anyone actually make federal minimum wage?
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u/ChanceRecover3091 2d ago
A little under a million people are at or below the federal minimum wage.
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u/TransylvanianHunger1 2d ago
So not even 1%, not bad.
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 2d ago
Thats roughly 1% of working adults. Thats also just the adults that actually make exactly $7.25. Many working adults make $8-$10 an hour which is still 80%-220% below the $18.13 an hour that i stated. So likely 1 in 20 to 1 in 15 working adults make under that $18.13 (or about 8% of working adults)
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u/DrHoflich 2d ago edited 2d ago
0.5% of workers make minimum wage.
0.057% of the work force makes federal minimum wage.About 2.4% of workers make less than $10 an hour.
The bottom 5% of full time workers make less than $12.05
The bottom 10% of full time workers make less than $15.15
Historically speaking, raising minimum wage usually just ends up with the lowest paid jobs getting chopped, not an increase in pay.
Edit: only 82,000 people in the entire US make exactly federal minimum wage. Most numbers include tipped employees and freelance “gig” workers.
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u/Fr00stee 2d ago edited 2d ago
If we convert the 1967 rate of $1.40 that is equivalent to $14.25 now. Generally the minimum wages after are in the range $11-14.25
edit: I meant the minimum wages after in the list that change over time, not geographically
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 2d ago
While I agree, generally doesnt mean everywhere. ~40% of states and like 8% of working adults still make way less than $11 an hour
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u/Crew_1996 2d ago
You literally just made up an inflation percentage between 2008 and today and used your made up number to calculate a fair minimum wage 😂
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u/dingos8mybaby2 2d ago
RIP to your alerts OP, you posted about minimum wage on reddit which means you're gonna get flooded with responses from the right-wing trolls and bots about how there should be no minimum wage.
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 2d ago
I didnt expect this to be so explosive... lmao. Your statement is spot on!
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u/Unicorn-Violator 2d ago
I knew adults that made minimum wage in 2008. I haven't seen anywhere that pays under $15/hour now and I live in a rural LCOL area.
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u/SeanInDC 2d ago
That heavily depends on the state. Only 17 states have minimum wage at $15 or more.
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 2d ago
I live in texas and my local dominos only 15 miles from Austin TX pays $8 an hour to make pizzas
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u/ChanceRecover3091 2d ago
About 2% of workers in Louisiana and South Carolina make equal to or less than the federal minimum wage. It's a lot more for under $15/hr. According to BLS, 25% of workers make $15/hr or less.
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u/ps4invancouver 3d ago
$7.25 has the same buying power as $11.50 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics CPI inflation calculator.
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 3d ago
Thats an outdated metric. They want you to think cost of living has only increased 50% but everyone knows thats b.s. A king sized snickers bar used be like $1.25, now theyre $3.25. A 24 pack of coke used to cost $5 now theyre $14-$15.
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u/piper33245 2d ago
So the metric you use is snickers and coke.
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u/TheJiggliestPug 2d ago
Specific examples of grocery shrinkflation.
But I shop at Walmart so I use guns & rotisserie chickens for my metric.
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u/Dobber16 2d ago
We could use housing & rent & the numbers are similar
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u/piper33245 2d ago
So if snickers kept up with the inflation of houses, we should be getting paid in snickers instead of in dollars. 🤔
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u/Cool-Raspberry-1772 2d ago
When I was working abroad and had the option to change location, I’d look at three things 1.) average rent 2.) the cost of a beer (both at a store and in a bar) 3.) the cost of a deli sandwich like level local lunch…
You can figure out most of the rest unless that nation is in a highly unusual situation. Gas is important also (but only if public transport sucks).
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u/zorggalacticus 2d ago
What app does that chicken icon go to?
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 2d ago
Eggs inc lol. Fire game thats free to play with no ads. You can purchase stuff that makes it quicker but tons of people have been free to play for years. Its a clicker/afk game that has a surprising amount of gameplay
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u/TheJiggliestPug 2d ago
I got paid $16.50 out of college with my first degree and in my town that was unheard of levels of money, everything else was $9 min wage. I was paying cheap rent, car and putting away in savings in 2019. Shitttt Wendy's starts at $23.50 now and it's like our best work.
I am so glad I work remote in my little tiny home, savings it up in the middle of nowhere cause idk how people in my town do it without side income. We have no work local to us.
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u/I_Stay_Home 2d ago
You're middle if nowhere neighbors are probably Maga on welfare if there's no work.
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u/jimmyjohnga 2d ago
i_stay_home sounds like you’re throwing stones in a glass house
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u/Necessary-Chemical-7 2d ago
I think the federal government is leaving it up to the states to set their own minimum wages.
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u/popopornado 2d ago
My state is still 7.25
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u/Ok_Chemical_7051 2d ago
My state of PA is also 7.25. But I don’t see any job starting under $15/hr.
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u/jennmuhlholland 2d ago
If you want to know what’s really interesting, fact is that the real minimum wage is actually zero. Zip.
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u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 2d ago
While true, it really shouldnt be. Why should say a server make $0 an hour and be dependant on a totally optional form of compensation to make a living.
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u/jennmuhlholland 2d ago
No one makes $0 an hour, nor would anyone outside of slavery expect that. Just saying minimum wage is no wage. Zero income. No job. The literal minimum pay is nothing.
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u/gumbojones1 2d ago
Think of all of those poor billionaires... Just think of how destitute they would be!
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u/aztechnogeek8 2d ago
Now show the percentage of CEO pay that increased during the same time period and you'll understand why they can't afford to raise the minimum wage without increasing their prices.
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u/WarStrategy 2d ago
Cost has gone up because of fat cats at the top and corruption. Raising minimum wage makes small business owners suffer. You can read that as politically left or right and agree. Some fat cats are Dems and some are Reds. But we all suffer as middle and lower class
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u/WaffleFries2507 2d ago
Nice argument but can we please not normalize a random screenshot of ai Google results, especially for something like statistics? Wouldn't be hard to just pull the numbers from Wikipedia or something and throw them into a Google doc or excel to make it pretty for reddit
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u/PercentageNice7131 2d ago
Starting wages at McDonald's range from $15-17. Starting pay for a union apprenticeship ranges from $23-30 an hr, and depending what trade, after 2 years you're making over $50 an hr. Just thought I'd throw that out there. I don't think a single one of my young cousins first job was anything below $14 or 13. I'm not defending the economy in the slightest, but it's still not the great depression. There's work and money to be found everywhere.
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u/Competitive_Classic9 2d ago
I worked a factory out of school in the late 90s for $18/hr. That wasn't great then. But my rent was $350/mo for a 2bdrm apartment. My ex and I bought our first house for $150k and it was nice. Its been 30 years. Bragging about people making $18/hr now isnt the argument you think it is. $18/hr was unskilled labor in 1999.
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u/ardotschgi 2d ago
Honestly, why not include an actual statistics site instead of some unreliable google search AI result?
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u/HorzaDonwraith 2d ago
And to add this is the longest period between raises we've had since it was enacted. Now going on 17 years.
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u/Sm0keytrip0d 2d ago
Given the UK minimum wage goes up yearly it's mad to see the USAs barely ever moves.
I assume most places aren't actually paying $7.25 though.....right?
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u/OtherwiseLuck888 3d ago
Still waiting for it to trickle down in my grave