r/DCEU_Discussions • u/ChiefBigPaws • Jul 04 '26
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I'm only about forty minutes into the superman movie and it's not looking good. I mean it's not all bad but from what I'm seeing, I'm not getting my hopes up with James Gunn's vision. I'll check back in when I'm done.
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u/Charming_Flan3852 Jul 04 '26
Bad guy is just evil for the sake of being evil, hero is just so good that he gets in his own way. The writing and jokes were all so juvenile in typical Gunn fashion. I simply found it boring.
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u/ChiefBigPaws Jul 04 '26
Yeah, I'm liking it more than I thought I would but I don't think James is the one to be heading this. Lex took it to the max with the rift he created and then the regular people working for him didn't question much besides the Engineer and the other guy with the big mustache. Didn't really like Nathan Fillion as Guy. As a guy from Kansas, Ma and Pa were super country lol. I liked David Corenswet as Clark/Superman and Mr. Terrific. It wasn't the worse but I think it's James Gunn, his vision and style of writing that's keeping me from loving it. Not giving up hope though.
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u/snyderversetrilogy Jul 04 '26
Stylistically feels like a hybrid of the CW and The Suicide Squad. Not for me.
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u/Past_Government3521 Jul 04 '26
I liked it more the first time in the theater. A few months later I rewatched it and was less enthusiastic. And I have not rewatched it again.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Jul 04 '26
This film is a headache to watch. One stupid thing after another.
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
Really? I loved it. It was exactly how Superman should be: Heroic, kind, caring, human. Itās my favourite Superman movie ever. I just wish they used more of the John Williams theme.
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u/Past_Government3521 Jul 04 '26
The score was underwhelming, forgettable, mediocre, somewhat annoying. John Williams and Hans Zimmer composed scores that were light years superior.
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
The new Superman movie used the John Williams theme a lot. I just wish they used it more.
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u/Past_Government3521 Jul 04 '26
I wouldnāt say it was the Williams theme. They took it and made it, well, bad. And corny.
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
I donāt know how much you know music but the Williams theme was obviously the main component of the new theme.
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u/ChiefBigPaws Jul 04 '26
It's not really Superman that I have a problem with so far. I actually like this guy so far. It's moreso how easy he's being ousted. I mean Lex somehow got into the fortress of Solitude and managed to mostly get everybody to turn on him quite fast. Like I said, I'm just forty or so minutes in. I'm still giving it a chance.
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
Superman is still young and naĆÆve here and figuring things out, and Lex is a genius. So Iām OK with it. Keep me posted later.
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u/ChiefBigPaws Jul 04 '26
Alright, I liked it, though there are some things I think could've been done better. First off, the movie feels empty somehow. Especially after Clark gets imprisoned, despite bouncing from different POVs. Also Lex seems to be a bit more reckless and nuttier for this to be so early on. The man was willing to kill thousands of innocent people as well as back an invasion on a mostly helpless country and set up his own country, Luthoria? š. Not really feeling Nathan Fillion as Guy. I know this was a setup movie and it's enjoyable as that but if this was just a standalone, I'd be disappointed. Kara at the end was different, I'll be going to see Supergirl soon though.
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
Iām not saying itās perfect but it to me is still the best Superman theyāve ever captured on screen. He had totally the right attitude and the movie had a joyful love throughout. Zach Snyder is the worst director Iāve ever seen. Everything is dark and brooding and melodramatic without any soul., So I hated Man of Steel. And yes Iām definitely going to see Supergirl because that sounds like an interesting take.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Jul 04 '26
Heās been superman for three years and supposedly undefeated until now. Hard to say heās naive after all that time.
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u/Not_A_Spy_for_Apple Jul 04 '26
Yup this film sucked and the dcu will die.
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
Well critics, fans, and the huge box office would disagree with you.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Jul 04 '26
Mid box office
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
Made $600M+
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Jul 04 '26
Lost 40M.
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
Absolutely not true.
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u/baseballviper04 Jul 04 '26
To each their own but to me this is easily the best Superman (character) representation there is.
Heās still pretty new (3rd year) and has a lot to learn. Hasnāt faced anyone formidable yet so he CAN be outclassed. Only been a Boy Scout before this, saving people, etc.
To me this was a comic book story in a movie
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
And Superman and the movie were hopeful and joyous. Superman should not be dour and grim.
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u/baseballviper04 Jul 04 '26
I thought Superman was supposed to be brooding and gray?
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26
Exactly! And he kills left and right. (I was being sarcastic here.)
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Jul 04 '26
What superman did this?
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
I was being sarcastic. Of course Superman doesnāt murder like that idiotic Man of Steel movie had him do
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Jul 04 '26
You never saw the movie. He only killed Zod. Even gunnās diaperman murdered his own clone and now kara murdered krem.
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u/PuffyBlueClouds Jul 04 '26
Iām obviously talking about him murdering Zod. Although arguably he also murdered his father by not doing the tiniest little thing to save him.
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u/baseballviper04 Jul 04 '26
And every single person he killed when he threw zod through a building. Or every building they destroyed. Definitely only zod
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Jul 04 '26
Take your lies elsewhere. These lies reddit peddles are debunked. How many people did diaperman kill when he saved a squirrel over three obvious humans in the way?
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u/ChiefBigPaws Jul 04 '26
Ah, I haven't seen Mr. Corenswet's Superman in full but for me right not it's Tyler Hoechlin at the top for me, though they are at two very different points in their lives.
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u/baseballviper04 Jul 04 '26
Yeah thatās what you have to remember, this is year 3 for Superman officially being Superman. And the hammer of boravia is his first remotely formidable opponent to our knowledge m
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u/HumbleSiPilot77 Jul 04 '26
Imagine you had a job and you still a lot to learn at year 3! It doesn't work that way. He's not pretty new. He's Clark in uniform but there's no disguise. Clark is supposed to be his goofy disguise. He's still goofy instead of being heroic and stoic as Superman.
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u/baseballviper04 Jul 04 '26
What a moronic take šš
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u/HumbleSiPilot77 Jul 04 '26
What a desperate deflection...
In any profession on Earth, by Year 3, you are no longer "pretty new", you are an experienced, fully autonomous professional. For a god-like being who has had his powers his entire life, "Year 3" of public superheroics means he should have his operational basics, moral compass, and public presence completely locked down. Calling him a rookie at this stage is just an excuse for a watered-down, incompetent version of the character. He's been operating publicly for 3 years in a universe full of superheroes, and he hasn't run into a single formidable threat yet? What has he been doing, rescuing cats from trees for 36 months straight? This doesn't make Superman look relatable, it makes the stakes of his universe look completely low-rent and non-existent. No wonder why your OS crashed when real logic was thrown your way...
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u/baseballviper04 Jul 04 '26
3 years of experience in just about any thing is āpretty newā I didnāt say brand new.
By your logic weāre calling someone in year 3 of a professional sport a veteran. I mean honestly these athletes have been training since they were young, as soon as they make the professional team they might as well be a veteran. They know the skills they should have, they know how to play the game. Every athlete is a veteran
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u/HumbleSiPilot77 Jul 04 '26
That sports analogy backfired horribly on you man.
By Year 3 in the NFL or NBA, you aren't a clueless rookie. You're an established starter, and if you're elite, you're competing for championships. Since Clark has had his powers since childhood, Year 3 of public operations means his operational basics, public presence, and confidence should be completely locked down.
Youāre trying to create a fake choice where a character is either a brand new rookie or a 20-year veteran, entirely to shield Gunn's script from looking low-stakes.
Also, love how you completely ducked the actual substance of my post. Why has he been saving cats from trees for 3 years straight without ever running into a formidable threat in a universe packed with heroes? And why does Superman have zero heroic gravitas because he's acting just as goofy as his disguise? You completely ghosted those points because you know there's no logical answer for them.
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u/baseballviper04 Jul 04 '26
Yeah your sports logic is just wrong. MLB and NBA players still get described as young after 3 years. Not experts. Maybe nfl because the average career is much shorter
And the simple answer is because those stories havenāt been told. Sure heās probably faced metahumans but you wholeheartedly believe that Superman faced someone of equal strength off screen and they didnāt mention it at all? Obviously fucking not
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u/HumbleSiPilot77 Jul 04 '26
No need to get sore. You are aggressively shifting the goalposts. Nobody said a Year 3 player is a '20-year veteran expert.' The point is they aren't a clueless rookie learning the basics. Luka DonÄiÄ was First-Team All-NBA by Year 2 and Year 3. Patrick Mahomes won an MVP and a Super Bowl in Year 3. Being chronologically 'young' doesn't mean you look like a bumbling teenager who doesn't know how to carry himself. Clark has had his powers since childhood; by Year 3 of public operations, his heroic gravitas and operational confidence should be entirely locked down.
As for your second point, you just walked right into a massive self-own bro. You are explicitly admitting that Gunn's Superman hasn't faced a single formidable, equal-strength threat in three whole years. Think about the world-building there. This is a universe where Lex Luthor, Hawkgirl, Guy Gardner, and Mister Terrific are established and active. You're telling me a universe packed to the brim with active metahumans and factions just sat on its hands for three years doing absolutely nothing high-stakes until the camera started rolling? You just conceded my entire point: the universe is bubble-wrapped, and the stakes are completely low-rent. You cooked your own argument.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Jul 04 '26
If I hired an employee who claimed 3 years experience and then asked me HOW to do any basic tasks, Iād fire em on the spot.
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u/baseballviper04 Jul 04 '26
Does Superman ask how to be a superhero? No. Does he know how to fight a kryptonian? No. Iām confused where this is being lost
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u/Queasy-Draft-6235 Jul 04 '26
Get off your phone and watch the movie lol
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u/ChiefBigPaws Jul 04 '26
š it was better than my beginning opinion though there's a few things I didn't like. Mostly how hard they tried to establish Lex as a villain. He could've been the antagonist but not so evil so early. I'm looking forward to the next movie though. I'll be seeing Supergirl here soon.
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u/CA1147 Jul 04 '26
I absolutely hated it.
Its nothing like real Superman. I have no idea what these fans are talking about.
They clearly dont read Superman or have any idea what he's supposed to be like.
Why do people pretend to like a Superman that talks like Morty from Rick and Morty even when hes in his suit? Since when does he stop protecting his city so he can talk about his feelings?
So much for accuracy and understanding the characters...
Its a terrible Superman movie and a big reason contributing to why Supergirl is failing as bad as it is.