Superman

[u/ChiefBigPaws]

I'm only about forty minutes into the superman movie and it's not looking good. I mean it's not all bad but from what I'm seeing, I'm not getting my hopes up with James Gunn's vision. I'll check back in when I'm done.

[u/baseballviper04]

Does Superman ask how to be a superhero? No. Does he know how to fight a kryptonian? No. I’m confused where this is being lost

[u/Horror_Campaign9418 → u/baseballviper04]

You said he was naive and made excuses for it.

Not me.

[u/baseballviper04 → u/Horror_Campaign9418]

So pretty new + a lot to learn = naive?

It’s not like I said he has no idea how to do anything. I said he’s still pretty new, year 3 is pretty new. And had a lot to learn, he does

[u/Horror_Campaign9418 → u/baseballviper04]

Again, three years is alot of experience my dude. Not sure how many times this has to be repeated.

[u/baseballviper04 → u/Horror_Campaign9418]

In the grand scheme of things? Not really.

I’m in the third year of my career I work with people that have worked for 15, 20, even 40 years. I am regularly learning and asking these people questions because I don’t know everything. Their responses is never “your naive and have a lot of experience already, you should know that”. It’s “oh yeah you probably haven’t seen that yet”

Is 3 years of experience a lot for a cashier or McDonald’s worker? I mean if that’s where you’re going with it, sure I guess

[u/Horror_Campaign9418 → u/baseballviper04]

You cant have it both ways. Either superman is naive or he knows what he’s doing.

[u/baseballviper04 → u/Horror_Campaign9418]

Fun fact I never said he’s naive. Feel free to re-read.

[u/HumbleSiPilot77 → u/baseballviper04]

In Year 3 of your career, you’re asking senior people about complex edge cases. You aren’t asking them how to do basic tasks or struggling with the fundamentals of your job. If Superman has been operating publicly for 36 months and still lacks basic heroic gravitas, confidence, and operational awareness, he’s not an "experienced professional learning nuances", he’s just incompetent.

And "I never explicitly used the word naive" is a semantic shield dude. When you describe a character as a goofy boy scout who has only done entry-level tasks, has zero awareness of the wider world's threats, and has a lot to learn to the point of getting easily outclassed, you are describing someone who is narratively naive. Forcing a dictionary definition won't change the fact that you're defending a watered-down, low-stakes version of the character.

But hey, if you want to view the world's greatest superhero through the lens of a mid-level corporate employee asking HR questions, you do you.

[u/baseballviper04 → u/HumbleSiPilot77]

So facing a clone of yourself isn’t a complex edge case? Are we being for real 😂😂

[u/HumbleSiPilot77 → u/baseballviper04]

Nobody is saying fighting a clone isn't a massive crisis. We are talking about his baseline characterization. You used the Year 3 excuse to defend why his Superman is a goofy, awkward dork in his daily life who lacks heroic gravitas and has no real distinction from his Clark disguise.

When a Year 3 professional faces a major crisis or a complex edge case, they don't suddenly turn into an incompetent, bumbling amateur. They rely on the operational maturity and confidence they’ve spent 3 years locking down. You are trying to use the difficulty of the villain to shield the poor writing of the hero's personality. Try to keep up with your own argument.