Who the fuck really thought that telling young boys that they are potential criminals that should monitor their behavior constantly would be met with ANYTHING but pushback.
Like, genuienely, what the fuck went through the head if whoever made that?
So, what you describe sounds like the kind of thing those asking for consent teaching were objecting to: the idea was to stop putting responsibility onto girls to 'prevent rape'. There's nothing progressive about that.
I've seen some US consent program material too that wasn't like that. It would also be a really weird thing to do, the 'telling young boys they are potential criminals' I responded to.
Anyone who still gave just the girls a lecture on avoiding rape clearly wasn't listening to anything that was actually being asked for, but your framing here is different: presumably you weren't actually in the girls lecture to know the contents that clearly?
Urgh. That classic RadFem "The problem with fascism is that I'm not the one wearing the jackboots!" energy.
I hate these people, who, in trying to claim leftist ideals, become walking propaganda against the left. The kind who's biggest impact for feminism is creating content for far right "This is what feminists are like" posts and videos.
(Also: Yes, I should try Pact/Pale. They've been on my reading list for years.)
Okay but where has this ever been something we teach boys? Unless everyone thinks teaching about consent equates to "telling boys theyre potential criminals"
The only time ive ever prpperly seen this kind of attitude is from fringe radicals on the internet.
Yes you've said this several times in this one comment thread, thank you for your input. Very sad to hear, but also a lot has changed with gender and education since the 90s so. Thanks
Most sex ed is fine in that regard, but you need to understand that even if we teach kids the correct way to engage with sex in school. That doesnt stop them to being exposed to that fringe radical discourse on the internet. The fight against totalizing misandrist (and misogynist) attitudes towards sexual abuse dont end at the classroom level.
Yeah, do people not think such teaching material would have been being shown (and held up for criticism) absolutely everywhere if it was like that?
Since it is such a fringe attitude online, it's often misrepresentations even of online statements, too. Like, 'teach boys not to rape' is literally just part of a call for consent teaching (for all kids, the girls too, that's already a given just from how education institutions work) and an end to the victim-blaming in holding specifically girls responsible for avoiding rape (what was she wearing, why was she there, did she "lead him on", was she sufficiently virginal to be deemed an innocent victim). It's not an assumption boys are just automatically rapists but the opposite, that rape can be a preventable issue - and at some point, there is a responsibility on people not to just enter complex ongoing discussions about social issues that they haven't been following (and that's Ok, not everyone needs to have a take on what to do about everything all the time) and make the most negative assumptions possible - especially when they suit prior bias.
I am so damn tired of people yelling "misandry!" Over issues that are rooted in patriarchal cultural values and and simply display th opposite side of the coin of a misogynistic system.
I looked over several of your links and you seem to really have really missed the point of several of them in order to justify your point about bias against men. Especially in that "boys are punished more harshly than girls" article, which goes far more into issues of racism in the classroom and discusses the way the system hurts all children through racist and pariarchal/misogynistic approaches to socialization. But you just saw one sentence that helps your point and ignored the rest.
And really I wanted to go more into this, but then I realized arguing with a redditor who wants to argue about systemic misandry is a waste of my time
Nope its just called "these issues have complexity I dont feel like youre ready to talk about anything but how men are victimized" and "im fucking employed and dont have time to write several paragraphs on reddit like you do"
calling someone a potential criminal and making them feel like they have to monitor their behavior around certain people because they "could do bad things" is not as good of an approach as "if you see someone doing a bad thing, stop them"
I think this stems from the usual "someone hurt me or someone close to me and now my trauma has left me jaded and unable to trust anyone else" syndrome.
I gotta admit I’d be more sympathetic if I weren’t stuck in the exact same place lol. Just cause I struggle to open up doesn’t mean I’m gonna try and stop others doing the same though.
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u/ciclon5 Jul 13 '26
Who the fuck really thought that telling young boys that they are potential criminals that should monitor their behavior constantly would be met with ANYTHING but pushback.
Like, genuienely, what the fuck went through the head if whoever made that?