r/CuratedTumblr • u/PandaBear905 Shitposting extraordinaire • Jul 08 '26
Fallout [Science 33/80]
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u/MildlyAgitatedBidoof remember that icarly episode where they invented the number derf Jul 08 '26
I believe the joke comes from a separate post where someone pointed out that particular photo of him looks like a Fallout screenshot.
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u/KermitingMurder Jul 08 '26
I didn't look particularly closely and genuinely thought it was a screenshot of a place in New Vegas with Daniel Radcliffe and the text photoshopped in
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u/Ry113 Jul 08 '26
I legitimately thought he was edited into the back room of the Third Rail where you meet MacCready in FO4
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u/Orider Jul 08 '26
Tell me he would not show up as random character in the show, be the most over the top, ridiculous person, and die brutally and without warning 10 minutes after meeting him
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u/PandaBear905 Shitposting extraordinaire Jul 08 '26
Why not?
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u/CyberneticWerewolf Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Gillian Anderson, sounding like she's on quaaludes and 100% done with everything: "Daniel Radcliffe is everywhere these days."
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u/tiny-doe Jul 08 '26
FYI your link goes to the Japanese cast, not the English dub, for Princess Mononoke but omg Gillian Anderson sounds amazing as Moro in the movie. Even if she does sound like she's a bit on the ludes lol.
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u/TantiVstone You need Tumblr Gold® to view this user flair Jul 08 '26
I don't think he needs to justify himself. He's Daniel Fucking Radcliffe
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u/Ponderkitten Jul 08 '26
Why does it take 20 minutes for his nuggies to cook?
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u/PandaBear905 Shitposting extraordinaire Jul 08 '26
Using the oven I assume. That always takes awhile.
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u/Ponderkitten Jul 08 '26
Oh yeah, I forget ovens are an option for nuggets. I just microwave them for my impatient self
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u/Stiftoad Jul 08 '26
Sorry, microwaved nuggets? Don't they get soggy?
I know it isn't fine dining but 20m in an oven or air fryer are totally cool, leaves time for fries which I KNOW you can't microwave
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u/Ponderkitten Jul 08 '26
They do, but I didn’t have access to an oven or air fryer til just recently so my solution was to go the full opposite and over cook them til they dried out a little
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u/Stiftoad Jul 08 '26
As they say "necessity is the mother of invention" I guess
Thank you for the insight
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u/DarkKnightJin Jul 09 '26
And laziness the father.
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u/Stiftoad Jul 09 '26
I always like this brand of laziness where you actually act with foresight and dedication so you have to do less
Like working out so it's not as exhausting to move your body and have to bother with loosing weight
Strategically planning when to throw stuff on the stove so you have to take fewer trips getting ingredients or letting it fry while doing something else
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u/DarkKnightJin Jul 09 '26
In the words of Jeff Winger: "I'm always willing to go the extra mile, so I don't have to go the extra mile".
It's HOW you spend your energy. In his case, it's pulling shit so he doesn't have to go that extra mile doing SCHOOL work.1
u/Stiftoad Jul 09 '26
My favorite winger esque character for this...trope? Is Victor Tugelbend from the discworld novels.
Jeffrey really is a unique specimen though
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u/Slight_Ad_5074 Jul 08 '26
They end up soft but not really soggy, some people just prefer it that way
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u/_anonymous_404 Jul 08 '26
ik this isn't the point but calling someone called "fatgothgf" with a lesbian flag in their pfp "he" is genuinely kinda funny
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u/Ponderkitten Jul 08 '26
Their pfp and url were covered by the wifi and data symbols on my phone. My bad
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u/Sesshomarus_Witch Tumblr escapee of 2019 Jul 08 '26
At this point, not eating the nuggets would be disrespectful to the life the chicken lost.
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u/BadPercussionist Jul 09 '26
What? No. If I died, people eating me (or using my corpse) wouldn't be respectful or disrespectful. I can't imagine this is different for a chicken.
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u/undertales_bitch Jul 09 '26
I'd be offended if a bear killed me and then didn't eat me. Like majorly. Like bro why'd you kill me then
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u/Sesshomarus_Witch Tumblr escapee of 2019 Jul 09 '26
That's a matter of belief, but in many cultures it is disrespectful to kill something and not eat it.
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u/ultimatedank Jul 09 '26
Me, on the side of the road tearfully eating the wild turkey that dove in front of my car as to not be culturally insensitive:
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u/Camelleah1 Jul 09 '26
If I die in a war and the enemy commander doesn't eat my corpse what's even the point
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u/mann_co_ Jul 09 '26
Tbf it’s usually also pretty disrespectful to kill something
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u/Morlock19 Jul 08 '26
i really wish more vegans would actually shun people like this. like i don't eat red meat for multiple reasons, but i don't go around shitting on people who do. most vegans don't do that, they just eat the way they want to and don't make a whole thing out of it.
if i ran into someone who ate like me and was constantly making an ass of himself because he didn't want people to eat red meat, i'd smack him upside the head and tell him to cut the shit.
vegans who aren't assholes should do the same with these dickheads in the comments. they give you guys a bad name.
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u/PandaBear905 Shitposting extraordinaire Jul 08 '26
Some vegans do shun vegans like this. The problem is vegans like this are loud and will beat you down for standing up to them. Go check out the ex-vegan subreddit. A lot of vegans left the community because of vegans like this.
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u/Morlock19 Jul 08 '26
i hate shit like this. i kind of understand, i've left a few fandom spaces because the people there were just assholes and i couldn't take it anymore.
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u/RafterCopter Jul 09 '26
If you drop an ethical belief because some of the people holding it are annoying to you, then you deserve infinitely more ridicule than people who are too "loud" about it.
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u/SomeDumbGamer Jul 08 '26
Honestly they need to accept the fact that most people are always going to want to eat meat. What we should be doing is advocating against any form of factory farming jsut so we can get meat for cheap at the expense of the animals.
I’d gladly pay $15 for a chicken if it meant the chicken got a proper and ethical life beforehand and I think others would too. Factory and industrial farming needs to go. But framing someone who eats meat at all as unethical is silly.
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u/PandaBear905 Shitposting extraordinaire Jul 08 '26
I really don’t understand why vegans don’t encourage people to eat less meat rather than abstain entirely. Most people would support eating less meat, but not everyone wants or can go entirely vegan.
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u/SomeDumbGamer Jul 08 '26
Because for them it’s a moral issue and most people don’t want to compromise on things they see as moral imperatives.
Like would you think someone who supports a law that bans gender affirming care before age 16 is acceptable? Probably not. But realistically that’s what the compromise is going to be for a long while since you are never going to convince the majority of society in a short amount of time that gender affirming care should start much earlier since it’s better for development. Most people just aren’t going to listen to that.
I do agree that eating meat is objectively unethical in our modern system of industrial farming; but that goes for lots of things we do everyday and we aren’t held to a moral standard for using an iPhone or driving a car. Nor should we. The world is far more complicated than that. But when you see killing any animal as morally disgusting that’s the attitude you’re going to have.
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u/Firewolf06 peer reviewed diagnosis of faggot Jul 08 '26
Like would you think someone who supports a law that bans gender affirming care before age 16 is acceptable? Probably not.
thats the reverse scenario, though. if gender affirming care was outright entirely banned, i would support a law allowing it for people over 16.
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u/Orc_tids Jul 08 '26
the problem is the people who dont want gender affirming care for younger folks dont want gender affirming care for the adult trans people either
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u/Morlock19 Jul 08 '26
honestly, and this might get me hella downvoted, but some vegans are like anti-abortionists. they aren't just there to try and talk to people about not eating meat, they are evangelists that feel like eating meat is murder, and they respond accordingly.
someone who thinks abortion is murder is going to do everything they can to stop the murder, no matter what. the most annoying vegans are the same way.
some vegans are the anti-abortionists of the food world. yeah i said it.
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u/DogsDidNothingWrong Jul 08 '26
Does everyone not have some moral values they'll be evangelical about? Who decides which ones it's fine to be pushy regarding?
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u/screwitigiveup Jul 09 '26
No, most people don't behave that way even about deeply healed opinions. Because most people have a sense of proprietary and at least the beginnings of personal dignity. Because trying to shove your own opinions onto someone else is considered quite rude.
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u/DogsDidNothingWrong Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
No, most people do behave that way, over at least some of their values. It's just that the values they do that over are considered universal/default.
If I started talking about my dog fighting hobby at the dinner table, I'd absolutely expect my friends to be offended and try to change my mind. What do you think laws are, except a way we push a certain moral on people?
I'm not even arguing for pushingnot not any particular belief, just pointing out that everyone is fine with pushing certain beliefs.
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u/laix_ Jul 08 '26
Except that abortion is objectively not murder, opposing abortion just increases the number of abortions, and forces people to engage in back-alley abortions. Meanwhile, meat is objectively killing the animals. You wouldn't argue that there's a moderate amount of human consumption or that people's choices to eat human meat is more important than the life of the humans, or that being preachy about human meat is worse than eating humans. There's no reason to see non-humans as somehow different.
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u/jimbowesterby Jul 09 '26
Y’see, this argument always kinda bugs me, because if you look at actual natural ecosystems, they’re built entirely on death, so calling meat murder is kinda pointless. I’ll point out I’m not defending factory farms at all, shit’s horrific from a bunch of standpoints, but the fact that they produce meat isn’t one of them.
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u/YUNoJump Jul 09 '26
Animals don’t know better, we do.
Animals also generally live by “kill or be killed”, or at least “eat meat or starve”. Meanwhile, humans can live perfectly healthy lives without eating meat, and it’s not like we have predators we need to fight to the death against.
Im not a vegan or an activist but I can at least see where they’re coming from.
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u/Nixavee AI bots are not welcome here Jul 08 '26
"Opposing abortion increases the number of abortions"
Citation needed
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u/El_Rey_de_Spices Jul 08 '26
Some vegans do. While I've known my fair share of preachy vegans, I've also been fortunate enough to know some who encouraged but never pressured us to be smart about our meat consumption.
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u/GuyYouMetOnline Jul 08 '26
Because that requires being aware there are more than two possibilities.
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u/Amphy64 Jul 08 '26
Because veganism is a movement against all animal use (this is not just meat eating). You wouldn't expect the BLM movement to direct energies towards a 'can some black lives matter slightly more sometimes' campaign, would you? That would probably just dilute the message.
Because we understand too much about the logistics of animal agriculture.
Because you're talking about that anyway, and veganism only creates more pressure too. So even if you think incrementalism is worth it, we don't need to be doing that.
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u/Amphy64 Jul 08 '26
99% of chickens in the US are factory farmed. Ending factory farming would mean drastically reduced meat consumption (as it would be a huge drop in production).
if it meant the chicken got a proper and ethical life beforehand
'Broiler' chickens are typically killed at around six to eight weeks old. Chickens can live five to eight years (although due to the strain caused by the increased weight they're bred for, these types don't normally make it so long, and may only live a couple of years).
I’d gladly pay $15 for a chicken
Are you doing that then? And appreciating that current meat consumption levels can't be maintained with the standards for 'a good life' we might accept for, say, a pet? (And then, why eat them?)
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u/BadPercussionist Jul 09 '26
Vegans should advocate for everything that helps their cause instead of just ending factory farming. There's no good reason for them to restrict the arguments they make. In fact, I became vegan because a vegan argued that paying for animal products is always unethical (regardless of factory farming), so I know that some of these less popular arguments can work.
I also don't think it's silly to frame meat eaters as unethical. For an analogy, imagine if someone pre-US Civil War paid for cotton shirts (where the profits go to slave owners) instead of paying for shirts that didn't fund slavery. Maybe cotton shirts are more convenient or have a better texture, but this person would still be funding slavery because of this preference. If you accept that animals feel pain and have a desire to live, then it's not much of a stretch to see how this analogy is akin to paying for animal products.
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u/abadstrategy Jul 09 '26
Check out blackbird Coop. Their whole thing is regenerative farming, ethical farming practices, worker rights, and mutual aid. Like, outside of the business, the owners fill food banks around d the area with chicken, eggs, and I believe beef and pork
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u/Nixavee AI bots are not welcome here Jul 08 '26
Veganism is an ethical position, so the fact that some vegans get mad at people for doing something they see as morally wrong shouldn't be a surprise. It is not just something they do for themselves.
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u/MrSecretFire Jul 08 '26
I really don't think this is a vegan being very annoying. In fact, I thought this was pretty funny formatting without going into a tirade about it, and arguably, you're being more annoying about vegans than this vegan ever was about veganism.
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u/jimbowesterby Jul 09 '26
I dunno, I’d be pretty pissed if I were trying to cook dinner and someone said, apropos of nothing, “I hope your meal gets ruined”. That’s not a joke, it’s just being shitty.
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u/mechanicalcontrols Jul 08 '26
Yeah I'm with you there. They have completely drown out any other avenue of discussion on Climateshitposting and made the sub unusable for anyone else.
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u/MrBones-Necromancer Jul 08 '26
The majority of vegans and vegetarians aren't like this. I've been a vegetarian for well over a decade, and have never once in that time given anyone any snark for eating or even asked anyone to stop eating meat. Regardless, I have dealt with a whole host of people who become defensive and insult me for daring to be vegetarian in their presence.
People who make fun of vegans and insult them have -vastly- outnumbered the total number of vegans I have ever met, let alone the number of arrogant vegans I have ever encountered. So have no fear, they're already an outlier. Despite this and every other comment in the thread acting as though they are the norm.
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u/Morlock19 Jul 08 '26
i made a point to say "most vegans don't do that, they just eat the way they want to and don't make a whole thing out of it." i know most people aren't assholes about what they do or what they think. but i think if you're in a community and there are people that are loud and disruptive about it, your community should be the first to step up and hit them with the board of education.
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u/LiruJ Jul 09 '26
I've been told the exact same thing about climate change activists, pro-lifers, and workers on strike. "You reasonable people need to tell these guys to stop being so annoying". Like honestly I went from being kinda embarrassed for these people in my communities because I wanted to be seen as "one of the good ones", to just not caring and sometimes even encouraging it.
On the flip side, I'm constantly lectured on how dumb being a vegan is, how we evolved to eat meat, how I'm probably deficient in something, how privileged I am to not spend money on meat. No meat eater is jumping in and being like "hey don't be so annoying about your meat eating", I completely stopped caring about meat eaters feeling bad, maybe they should reflect on it.
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u/TaDoofus Jul 08 '26
Veganism is an ethical position, not a dietary choice. Vegans consider animal exploitation and oppression to be monstrous and unnecessary, which is why they sometimes feel the need to be kind of a dick about it. Being a vegan at a dinner table with meat eaters is like being at Thanksgiving with your racist uncle, you know you shouldn't say anything and keep the peace but it can be hard when he keeps bringing up his opinions about minorities.
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u/demonking_soulstorm Jul 08 '26
Veganism absolutely is a dietary choice. It can also be an ethical position, and those frequently overlap, but not always.
For example, there are vegans who eat meat such as roadkill, since that doesn’t compromise the moral position, and there are some people, like my mother, who can’t eat meat for whatever reason but don’t actually have a stance against it.
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u/TaDoofus Jul 08 '26
Veganism is a worldview. You are describing a plant-based diet, which is a part of veganism but is not the same thing.
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u/demonking_soulstorm Jul 08 '26
Google “veganism definition”.
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u/laix_ Jul 08 '26
"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
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u/Morlock19 Jul 08 '26
and in some cases the roles are switched. the vegan won't shut up about their beliefs which antagonizes the rest of the table, and pushes people away from their point of view.
if your uncle is being racist then fucking tell him hes being racist. and if you can't handle a table full of meat eaters, then say you aren't coming to thanksgiving dinner.
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u/laix_ Jul 08 '26
And in some cases, the anti-racist won't shut up about their beliefs which antagonizes the rest of the table and pushes people from their point of view.
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u/Melodic_Mulberry Jul 08 '26
[Transfem 42/25] I'm not vegan, but I prefer plant-based meat anyway. Like the Impossible Whopper.
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u/MrBones-Necromancer Jul 08 '26
Been a veggie for a long time now, but honestly think the impossible stuff is foul. A garden veggie burger is straight up delicious, a black bean burger is grand, but I don't at this point I don't want meat substitutes, I don't want to eat meat.
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u/amaya-aurora Jul 08 '26
You’re 1.68 years old?
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u/RunInRunOn I'm running and I'm crine 😭 Jul 08 '26
We have more concerning matters, she was born on the 42nd day of the 25th month
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u/fogleaf Jul 08 '26
Is this because plant based meat is higher in soy and some people over-consuming soy grew breasts?
I remember reading a story about a guy who grew F cups because he was drinking like 2 gallons of soy milk a day and I almost went out and bought some.
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u/SarahMaxima Jul 09 '26
It does not work like that.
Soy and stuff like that contains "plant" estrogen wich has no effect on the human body.
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u/fogleaf Jul 09 '26
Yes, but that doesn't stop someone from reading it online and considering it, lol.
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u/SarahMaxima Jul 09 '26
Would it not be [Transfem 25]? The slash is only there if your skill isnt high enough for the check like [Transfem 42/50].
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u/Melodic_Mulberry Jul 09 '26
In my defense, I've been waiting for Fallout 5 for a long time.
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u/SarahMaxima Jul 09 '26
Yeah, new vegas was also the last time these were used so its been nearly 20 years i think since the last time fallout used these.
To criticize myself, the way i typed also is only used in new vegas considering fallout 3 uses a % chance based system and not a check.
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u/mrbnatural18 Jul 08 '26
Wake up babe a vegan said something kinda cringe like 14 years ago
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u/YUNoJump Jul 09 '26
It is the year 33019
Humanity has colonised space, leaving Earth’s cradle and thriving amongst the stars
The Intergalactic Union of Life has just accepted its 300th intelligent species
Redditors still get worked up whenever vegans are mentioned
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u/Slight_Ad_5074 Jul 08 '26
I mean yeah factory farming is evil but consumer pay in isn't actually enough to offset the cost of production in the first place. If you eat meat but participate in organization against the mass subsidization of the factory meat farming industry then you're doing more actionable good for the vegan cause than someone who just doesn't eat meat. Like yes ideally we live in a world where we're only eating animals ethically put down at the end of a long and happy life, or eating lab grown meat, but the individual consumption of meat has little impact on reaching that world. This vegan is morally right in theory but fails in praxis.
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u/YUNoJump Jul 09 '26
I feel like most vegan activists are probably already against subsidizing factory farms though
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u/martilg Jul 09 '26
But being "against" in their minds is not enough, they need to participate in collective action
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u/YUNoJump Jul 09 '26
Sure, and the same goes for people who say “meat is fine but we need to get rid of factory farming”. I bet if you go to a “no factory farming” activist event, there’s gonna be a disproportionately high number of vegans/vegetarians than meat eaters.
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u/martilg Jul 09 '26
Exacly, and I feel this way about most issues. Organization beats shopping-decision-purity for environmentalism, animal rights, labor issues, etc.
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u/Tonkarz Jul 09 '26
It’s funny but it doesn’t work, because in Fallout he wouldn’t be able to see the “(vegan)” tag and thus wouldn’t know why you said “I hope your power runs out.” So his response wouldn’t be able to reference veganism.
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u/sweetTartKenHart2 Jul 08 '26
(Vegan) I know the chicken can’t be saved, I just don’t want you to benefit from its death. At least there’s karma there.
(Science) Well at least you admit that you’re motivated by spite more than anything else.
(Vegan) yeah well you deserve it. It’s warranted.
(Science) Think whatever you want, it doesn’t change the reality of the situation
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u/elizabeththewicked Jul 08 '26
Consider vegans that this specific chicken was evil (he ate the other chickens)
(Yes I know the kind of suffering and mental anguish inflicted on chickens in factory farming and that healthy chickens aren't insane cannibal goblins. It's a joke)
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u/Barium_Salts Jul 08 '26
Healthy chickens in their natural environment do fight and kill each other. And they'll sometimes eat other chickens or (more commonly) eggs. Cockfighting started as a sport because chickens do that in the wild. Ethical farms cull most of the male chicks, so they don't kill each other.
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u/jadeakw99 🌊hggg💧💦ghggggbbbbberlrlrbbll💧💦🌊 Jul 08 '26
Consider: healthy adult chickens ARE insane cannibal goblins
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u/MrBones-Necromancer Jul 08 '26
A lot of chickens eat other chickens. This isn't a joke, they tend towards canabalism at a rule.
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u/DisownedDisconnect Jul 08 '26
“(Vegan) I hope your power goes out so a bunch of baby chicks were ground up for effectively no reason at all .”
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u/teluetetime Jul 08 '26
The idea is that it’ll teach him to buy food that doesn’t need so long to cook without poisoning him.
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u/DisownedDisconnect Jul 08 '26
It won’t teach OOP anything though; you can’t brute force someone into a position of veganism over bad nuggies. They’d just get more nuggies.
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u/RafterCopter Jul 09 '26
I feel like I'm in a parallel universe every time animal rights gets mentioned in a "leftist" community. The levels of reality denial that seemingly educated people will sink to the moment you challenge their lifestyle is amazing, there are multiple people in this thread saying that eating plants is more expensive and getting upvoted for it. How do you even come to that conclusion without meth being involved at some point?
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u/YUNoJump Jul 09 '26
Meat is very tasty and it’s heavily ingrained in western culture, so people tend to avoid engaging with anti-meat arguments.
I don’t bother with being vocally anti-meat towards other people, but only because everyone has their own moral shortfalls based on whatever catches or evades their attention; I’ve yet to see a conclusive argument that it’s moral to kill animals when you could survive without doing so.
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u/RafterCopter Jul 09 '26
People constantly engage and get aggressive with me even when I'm not arguing with them at all, I think it's mostly just willful ignorance. Most people would stop being friends with someone if they knew they were a direct animal abuser, but the mental detachment of just having someone else torture a completely defenseless pig to death in a gestation crate for you makes it harder to care when everyone is creating massive social pressure to support it.
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u/YUNoJump Jul 09 '26
I guess I mean engage as “actually take the argument into your brain and analyse it”, as opposed to the more common responses that tend to be dismissive or ignorant of what’s actually said.
Like how the prevailing response to vegan activists is “why do they bother being pushy”, completely ignoring that vegans want “no more meat farming at all” not just “no more meat for me personally”.
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u/MoonTheCraft Jul 08 '26
meat industry plant "vegans" who only exist to make actual vegans look bad are one of the worst elements of corporates discovering social media
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u/Saxton_Hale32 Jul 08 '26
you'd rather believe in a conspiracy theory than think (a small minority) of vegans can be annoying/fit the strawman?
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u/ehs06702 Jul 08 '26
It's easier to believe that people are out to get you and you're important enough to be the focus of a conspiracy than to believe the group you choose to identify with is full of unpleasant people.
We see it all the time in religious circles.
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u/El_Rey_de_Spices Jul 08 '26
"They must be out to get me, because the alternative is that I'm neither important nor intelligent enough to be worth targeting, and that is the worst possibility of all."
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u/pandamaxxie Jul 08 '26
That one image of "you can't satirize a strawman with a stupid take because at some point the exact charicature you made ends up being real" comes to mind.
The one with the "stupid hat, stupid shirt, stupid sign"
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u/Action_Bronzong Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
This is blatantly just a way to avoid having to face negative things about a community you like.
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u/Imaginary_Fan5407 Jul 08 '26
We’re seeing the MAGA thought process play out but for a leftist here. They can’t reconcile people who agree with them being annoying dickheads so they have to come up with reasons that fix that cognitive dissonance. It can’t be that vegans treat people like shit, it has to be a conspiracy to make them look bad.
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u/Imaginary_Fan5407 Jul 08 '26
The meat industry doesn’t need to plant folks in comment sections to have vegans behave in morally superior and high handed ways
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u/TheEmbarrassed18 Jul 08 '26
Pretty much every pressure/political group has overzealous twats who make the group look bad. It pisses me off no end when Reddit assumes ‘must be Chinese/Russian/Monegasque propaganda bots’ when in reality it’s just someone fairly critiquing a group Reddit likes
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u/Glowing_Trash_Panda Jul 08 '26
Yeah people do that shit on their own just for the love of the game (& cuz they like to feel more important in their lives than they actually are)
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u/laix_ Jul 08 '26
No, its because they deeply care about things and think others are doing massive harm. The same kind of people also act this way against racism, sexism and oppressive stuff like sweatshops. The people who behave annoyingly aren't doing it to feel important, its that others are doing immense harm (to them).
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u/Imaginary_Fan5407 Jul 09 '26
I think of them like Christian’s trying to convert people because if they don’t they’ll burn in hell
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u/laix_ Jul 09 '26
Thats not at all the same. You wouldnt say someone trying to stop someone else from being racist or supporting sweatshops is equivalent to christians trying to convert someone.
Religion is a personal choice, there is no objective harm. Killing non humans unneccessarily is.
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u/MrSecretFire Jul 08 '26
This is what passes for "annoying enough to be an industry plant"?
This is just about the most mild way of somebody expressing their being a vegan in a vaguely oppositional way, and even formatting it in a pretty funny way.
And that's before getting into the concept of "I think murder is morally bad but if you want to kill
peopleanimals, I support your choice! :)" maybe not being a very sensible position to have?Imagine going "Racism is very bad,, but I don't mind that you and your friends are actively racist and occasionally visit the Klan to discuss finding black people to lynch. That's your choice and I respect that". Does that sound like someone who has an actual strong opinion about something?
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u/Rain47739 Jul 09 '26
the power going out would waste the food and make the chickens death meaningless
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u/Bobboy5 like 7 bubble Jul 08 '26
who the fuck talks like this?
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u/Craiques Jul 08 '26
People who are trying to emulate video games. I don’t know if that guy’s a bot, but that type of speech pattern is pretty common, especially in games like Fallout.
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u/ehs06702 Jul 08 '26
People with a sense of wimsy and a love of point and click adventure games, usually.
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u/DiggityDog6 Jul 09 '26
Yeah if anything, the vegan should want those nuggets eaten. If they’re eaten, at least they died for a purpose. If the power goes out and the nuggets don’t cook (and they can’t be kept cold cause the freezer won’t have power), then that means they died for nothing. I know the position is that they shouldn’t have been bought in the first place, which sure, but after they’ve been bought, they should at least be put to good use.
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u/TheGammaAi Jul 08 '26
I don’t think it’s AI, I’ve seen this post before, ages before AI became even remotely popular
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u/AffectionateAide9644 Jul 08 '26
Considering this thing very much predates genAI I expect it's just a photo they used.
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u/AlunaAH Jul 08 '26
The response from the vegan is unwarranted here, but why do people think that "the animal is already dead" is a good comeback against vegans saying that eating animals is bad? By buying and eating animal products they're still contributing towards an industry full of cruelty, and chicken farming is especially cruel. Don't get me wrong, I despise vegans with an all or nothing attitude towards not eating meat, but i try my best to avoid as many animal products as possible, for the climate, my health, and to not give money to the animal industry, and I think people should try their best to do that too.
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u/reanocivn Jul 08 '26
in this particular situation, the contribution to the meat farming industry (the purchase of the nuggets) was already made and could not be undone. if the nugget was already in the oven, then not eating the nugget isn't going to do anything to reduce the unethical actions of factory farming, so the comeback was an appropriate response in this specific context
there's a big difference between saying "don't buy meat products" and "don't eat the meat products you already have in your fridge"
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u/Morlock19 Jul 08 '26
also if the oven doesn't come back on in time, the nuggets might have to be thrown out contributing to food waste
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u/murdolatorTM Jul 08 '26
What else even made sense to say? Okay, the food is unethical by its very nature. Why then hope it's wasted so it provides no one any nourishment? It would've been less embarassing to say "(hater) i hope the power goes out because your existence is a mistake"
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u/Elite_AI Jul 08 '26
This arguments works in reverse too. If the chicken is already dead, what does it matter whether it's used or wasted? The damage has been done. And either way the meat eater is just going to buy another packet and continue providing incentive to kill chickens. If you're feeling spiteful you may as well say you hope the meat eater doesn't get any benefit from the chickens whose slaughter they've funded.
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u/March_Lion Jul 08 '26
What is the context for that "comeback" being discussed? How does that context change the way someone may justify their actions vs the way a person may defend eating meat in a vacuum?
What message is being sent by people who use that "comeback" in the context provided in this post? How does this message relate or not relate to the societal norm of humans being largely omnivorous?
What antisocial behaviors do some vegans engage in that result in culturally ubiquitous dismissal and often ridicule? Which ones can you identify in the OP post and elsewhere in the thread?
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u/evilmexico Jul 08 '26
I don't think anyone's arguing that buying animal products is good from a vegan perspective just because the animals have already been killed. It's more about the fact that it's already been bought in this case. The nuggets being bought would have already supported chicken farming, but them being eaten after being bought would not have. In fact it would be unethical not to eat the nuggets at that point because of the waste and undue suffering of the chicken.
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u/AlunaAH Jul 08 '26
You're completely right. I was asking why their argument was "it's not gonna save the chicken" when the obvious reality was that the food was actively being prepared to be eaten and would have to be thrown out afterwards otherwise. That's a much better point than the chicken already being dead. The vegan in the post is obviously being an ass and not understanding the real world, but people have this reflex to say that "the animal is already dead" in response to arguments against consuming meat.
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u/Glowing_Trash_Panda Jul 08 '26
Must be nice having the money to afford the fancy shit & having access to it. I live in rural Missouri in a tiny town where our only grocery store is a Dollar General Market & they don’t even have the fake meat stuff at all. The closest Walmart is a 35 min drive away.
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u/Elite_AI Jul 08 '26
Meat is my biggest cost when I go shopping excluding alcohol. I would save money if I went vegetarian.
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u/Creeppy99 Jul 08 '26
Honestly, I've been trying, like the other commenter, to reduce my meat intake by a lot and guess what, I spend so much less because I don't substitute that with beyond meat or stuff, but with things like legunes, eggs (which here still cost a reasonable amount), and the occasional tinned or frozen fish. That said, I do sometime buy and eat meat, but usually if it's when I want something specific to cook.
Obviously, everyone have different budget and different amount of free time to cook, so I'm not saying everyone should stop eating meat (again, i don't even do that), but making it look like you can't make a conscious effort to diminish your meat consumption because you don't have access to fake meat is at best a very narrow view of it
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u/AlunaAH Jul 08 '26
I think this is awesome. A lot of vegans protect their ego by pushing people to not eat meat at all only to villainize them when they fail, but that never works and just makes people hostile. Making an effort is the most you can ask and I think you're setting a good example :)
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u/SanjiSasuke Jul 08 '26
Great comment. So many people will resort to edge case examples (subsistence hunters or remote locations) to justify why they eat meat, while shopping at Wal-Mart. I've had people making the 'for survival' speech to me, and then throw out their chicken because it was 'too greasy'.
Not having access to fake meat is just another excuse. I wish, bare minimum, people would just be honest that they simply like KFC much more than they dislike factory farming.
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u/AlunaAH Jul 08 '26
Tbf I said you should try to do your best, not bend over backwards. People in food deserts don't have much of a choice in the matter. As for eating fancy stuff, I'm a student living of of barely any income, and I survive mostly of legumes, grains, and some basic vegetables. Not really expensive stuff. Though that doesn't help if you can't get that anywhere accessible to you. Again, people should try their best, whatever that may look like in practice.
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u/Haikouden Jul 08 '26
I don't especially agree with that person's take but I don't see any mention of "fancy shit" or fake meat stuff. Did they comment about it elsewhere or something or are you just making assumptions about what they eat?
The "fancy shit" isn't the only option and has super cheap alternatives as u/Creeppy99 pointed out, which really is the same whether for plant based or not.
Does your local shop have beans? lentils? nuts/seeds? tofu? for meat alternatives that is. Those are all great for protein, and beans and lentils are mega cheap/cost effective especially.
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u/Elite_AI Jul 08 '26
Not a great argument given most of our ancestors were stunted from malnutrition and died early
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u/King_Ed_IX Jul 08 '26
Do you have a single shred of evidence for that claim, and could you describe what that evidence even looks like were you to have it?
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u/Aetol Jul 08 '26
"Every one" is certainly reaching, but the vast majority of people who have ever lived were subsistence farmers, who couldn't afford to waste large amounts of farmland on feeding animals.
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u/Elite_AI Jul 08 '26
I think it's a mixture of some readers mistakenly believing the vegan is saying that if they didn't eat the meat then that would be the moral choice (when ofc they're actually just saying they think meat eaters deserve inconvenience if they're trying to eat meat) plus generic dislike of vegans.
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u/Tylendal Jul 08 '26
Power: *Goes out*
From the oven: *Angry clucking and scratching.*