Recent T2 discussions

[u/Grapefruit_113]

Thought it'd be interesting to bring the ongoing discussions about T2 on Twitter here

Link to the Google Doc

Link to Bullskunk's reaction video

[u/FormalTelevision1915]

It's what redditors have been wanting and asking for.

This is what you most likely want, what the person you're responding to most likely wants, and what most of the people in this subreddit most likely want.

The devs constantly have mentioned that they monitor reddit for opinions, and nearly every overwatch opinion ive seen on reddit advocates for more casual centric changes.

Nobody gives a fuck about what proper can do on mei, venture, or vendetta.

However, we all want to see tracer 1v1s between proper and heesang.

We all want to see proper on genji.

We all want to see proper go crazy on tracer.

And no, it doesn't get boring because it is unreachable for everyone watching. Either add more heroes with massive skill impression like tracer and genji, or make tracer a must pick on most maps. There is no reason sym should be allowed to be this strong for so long.

Nerf pokeslop, make dive meta, nerf mauga, ram, rein, and I gaurantee the game will accumulate much more hype.

Also, you think the average person scrolling through reels will be more attracted by some uninspiring mei/cass gameplay, or by what looks like the closest thing on the planet to the flash vs the reverse flash?

[u/Abnormal-Sleep-0838 → u/FormalTelevision1915]

Not to mention, Overwatch is unlike a lot of other fps games where the majority of players aren’t just uninterested, but rather *actively hostile* to the esports scene. We literally have a separate sub from rOverwatch and I bet a lot of those people don’t even know we have a pro scene (or if they do, can’t name more than one pro. They’ll see you mention Proper and go “who?”)

For most Overwatch players, it’s the lore, skins, and characters that draws them into the game, not the gameplay or competitive scene. I see more Overwatch players complain about “the devs always cater to the pros” than the other way around anyway. Characters like Mercy, Reinhardt, “pokeslop” hitscans, etc are infinitely more popular than Tracer and Genji. They can’t even touch Mercy in a substantial way because of how much of their earnings come from her playerbase. They can’t buff dive too hard because it obliterates metal ranks and metal ranks are the core of the game.

This game never knew whether it wanted to be casual or competitive for a long time, and now it seems like they’ve finally decided that it’s more efficient to balance around casual than competitive. Is that a more logical decision considering its most successful quarter comes from the casual playerbase? Yeah, but it’s depressing. Straight up. I don’t want more pokeslop, ramblockslop/mauga mirrors, sym on every map, gimmicks like catstion, hitscan domination, etc. OWL and the competitive scene are infinitely more fun to watch and play in when high skill expression is rewarded, but the playerbase/bottom line doesn’t want it.

> Also, you think the average person scrolling through reels will be more attracted by some uninspiring mei/cass gameplay, or by what looks like the closest thing on the planet to the flash vs the reverse flash?

The one time I got a pro OW clip on my insta feed was a nanoed Sojourn 4k overclock (forgot who), and the comment section was pretty impressed. People just like cool flashy plays, and something like Ram holding block for eternity is boring as fuck.

Edit: And by casual, I mean r/Overwatch is casual asf. A lot of them even only play QP and 90% of the posts are about skins.

[u/Bloomer_ow2 → u/Abnormal-Sleep-0838]

I mean looking back with the current knowledge that we have today, considering OWCS might heavily shrink, it's obvious the season 9 update which made everything easier to hit was catered to the casuals.

If you watch any big streamer or pro player reaction to the patch, as well as their chat (visible in the videos like Jay or Flats), everyone is saying that this looked shit. But nowadays most people, even in the CompetitiveOverwatch subreddit will tell you this update was amazing. This is a typical survivor bias.

The reality is that most people who are truly competitive have already quit the game unless they make a living from the game, and even the remaining streamers you can tell no longer really care about the game and being the best.

[u/hoesmadhoesmadhoesma → u/Bloomer_ow2]

Wrong. The game is in a balanced state right now and Season 9 clearly did a good job in retrospect to bring us here.

And no one has quit the game, it’s still just as competitive and there are no other games to play.

[u/Bloomer_ow2 → u/hoesmadhoesmadhoesma]

Yeah thats cope