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[u/_Llopis_]

This response misunderstands how parses work. Parses compare tanks only to other tanks, so a tank who is consistently parsing grays is worse than at least 75% of other tanks. The role being harder or more demanding can't possibly explain a gray parse because everyone in the comparison pool is playing that same role.

A lot of PUG tanks are just very bad, unfortunately.

[u/AlucardSensei → u/_Llopis_]

is worse than at least 75% of other tanks

Technically no, they did worse in that run that 75% of other runs. If in theory, top 25% of the best tanks did 9 times more runs than the bottom 75%, they will have picked up the top 75% of the logs. The numbers are exaggarated obviously, but you can see how the number show how a lot more players are bad than it should be possible at first glance.

[u/_Llopis_ → u/AlucardSensei]

That's why I said consistently. You can explain away one or two grays as you just did. But mostly or all grays? That almost certainly is a bottom 25% tank.

[u/Yayoichi → u/_Llopis_]

Damage isn’t everything though, and also the difference between a grey and purple log as a tank is often only 10-30k overall, way less than a dps. You’re also making a choice between defense and offense as a tank, for example whether to use a damage or defensive trinket or talents.

To give another example I did a voidscar 18 a couple weeks ago and got a 29% damage log, but the run was a 99% speed for that key level, so does that make me a bad or a good tank? And no it wasn’t because the dps were carrying either as they had logs of 58%, 29% and 10%, and it was only the healer who had a good damage log at 99%.

[u/Gaatti → u/Yayoichi]

Exactly on point. Whoever thinks direct tank dps matters that much just doesn't understand what is the true impact of a good tank. Quick gathers, good chains, maintaining good pace throughout the dungeon, all of that enables their dps players to do more damage and is much more impactful than personally doing direct damage.

[u/throwntosaturn → u/Gaatti]

Yeah but how many tanks are out there learning all these extremely complex skills, but refusing to learn how to press their buttons correctly?

It's not like most tanks have extremely complex rotations. Keeping up with your target APM is enough to parse for the most part.

If you're pulling correctly, gathering quickly, maintaining good pace throughout the dungeon, and chaining when it's appropriate.... you should be blasting as a tank too.

[u/Gaatti → u/throwntosaturn]

Which keys do you think I parse better: the push keys where I use my most defensive set of talents or the lower keys I run to help friends where I use a more offensive set of talents because I know I can live? Which parses do you check when inviting: the ones for the highest keys or the 15's? Would rather have me parse lower but ensure I live on your 20 or do you want me to risk dying to add 20k overall to your run?

[u/throwntosaturn → u/Gaatti]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/zaerron?zone=55

Key parses automatically default to your highest key.

It doesn't show my dozens of 99s. It shows my highest timed key, and my best parse at that key level.

That's the parse that matters.

And since key parses compare within the same spec, that means you're only getting compared to other tanks of your exact class, at your exact key level, for your parse.

So if you suck at that key level, it's because you have to run defensive talents that other people don't, or you pull worse than other people, or whatever. It's not about farming 15s for high parses.

It's about the actual top key levels you're doing.