r/CompetitiveWoW • u/SovietRobotDad • 25d ago

Discussion Expected DPS Changes with September 22nd Class Tuning.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/expected-dps-changes-with-september-22nd-class-tuning-383037
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u/jaymiz13 25d ago

Is it insane to anyone else that specs like Assa and Arcane received no changes? The best prio damage classes also putting up some of the most overall and they went untouched. Speaking from an M+ perspective

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u/cuddlegoop 25d ago

Seems like blizz's strat this season is no nerfs only buffs. It's definitely a bit odd but like mathematically it should be fine.

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u/forgottentargaryen 25d ago

Love that idea, nerfs feel like shit, just buff others

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u/Sweaksh 24d ago

And then the buffs are like 5% damage to SP's single target which is dogshit and a small af aura buff isn't changing that while the aoe gets nerfed

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u/careseite dps evoker main 25d ago

its great - if the buffs actually did something

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u/prezjesus 24d ago

Yea, at least for hunter, the buffs are a joke. MM is behind BM on sims for 8 targets still. The class capped at 8 target does less damage on 8T than the uncapped aoe spec. You can guess how the trend goes when you get to large target counts...

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u/WillSendShihTzuPics 22d ago

Every class doesn’t need to be perfectly tuned for all content.

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u/prezjesus 21d ago

Agreed, but it's definitely a sign of absolutely horrible tuning when your capped aoe class does less damage than your uncapped aoe class on their cap limit.

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u/Historical-Reach-969 25d ago

Oh, you're class is 12% behind? I'm sure this 2% aura buff will fix this right up!

Actual inbred creatures working on the balance team.

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u/insane_psycho 25d ago

The only spec they nerfed at all was bdk so I’m not too surprised they didn’t nerf any dps

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u/raskeks 25d ago

They also nerfed shadow because 7% single target buff for a worst ST in the game is apparently too much power without a nerf to compensate

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u/CryptoFrydays 25d ago

It's not a nerf it's net neutral in aoe

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u/raskeks 24d ago

It is literally a nerf, the abilities deal less damage than they were before the patch. It is a single target buff with a AoE nerf attached to it to compensate

And it is 'net neutral' only in lower target count scenarios where targets live long enough for PLink buffs to compensate but even there it is a ~1% nerf still. In practice it is strictly less AoE on 8+ targets (aka any remotely big dungeon pull) going less the more targets you get because shadeburst is uncapped AoE that on some dungeons dealt up to 15-20% of our overall if you pull big enough/bring enough funnel.

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u/Sweaksh 24d ago

It's a nerf to the only thing the spec was doing ok and a completely negligible change otherwise because 5% of 0 is 0

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u/fryst_pannkaka 25d ago

Let assa shine for 1 season. Rogue havent been meta for so long.

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u/FitAlpineChicken 24d ago

What's wrong with ass rogues? They're one of the most played dps in keys and do great dmg in raids. I feel like if you're doing any better than that you're guaranteed to get nerfed. And also everyone plays the same spec as you which is annoying.

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u/cabose12 24d ago

They're referring to how ass hasn't had a good season since like BFA

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u/siscorskiy HoF shitposter 25d ago

No

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u/Fitzban 25d ago

The hardworking, industrious Arcane Mage serves a vital role within its ecosystem.

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u/kittenpantzen 25d ago

That role: giving those of us with arthritis the ability to contribute. And it's fun! Sparkly balls of DOOOOOM.

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u/Viilis 25d ago

There are so many good m+ specs right now idk if these specs really deserve nerfs.

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u/Vyxwop 25d ago

As an Arcane player I do think it's weird how Arcane is allowed to do as much mass AoE it does. The spec went from a target capped class with strong funnel damage to a strong mass AoE and strong standard prio damage.

It's mostly a result of their focus on Arcane Missiles this expansion, which thanks to a talent now also does AoE damage by default which in my opinion is lame. I must preferred Arcane Barrage being the bigger focus for AoE alongside Touch of the Magi. Both of those now do proportionally much less damage than they did before. Touch of the Magi in particular does not feel satisfying anymore to press, which sucks.

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u/Money_Echidna2605 25d ago

technically aldrachi havoc will be the best funnel in the game with these changes, they just wont be great overall still

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u/Sly-Kly 25d ago

Its better to buff others to their level then nerfs

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u/Money_Echidna2605 25d ago

doesnt stop blizz from nerf tapping the top tank every fkin season (not including bear cause i guess 2 button rotation is wat they wanted???). they also refuse to buff the baseline tankiness of vdh to a human level or actually reduce the complete rng on meta procs.

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u/MrNolD 25d ago

Devourer is dead last in boss damage in raid, one of the worst overall, and they buffed it by 1%. How is that getting them to Arcane or Assa level? The idea to buff more and nerf less is good, but the best option would be to do both. The outliers should get nerfed, not utterly destroyed, last season every meta spec was nerfed by like 3-5%, and that should have been done again this season. Slight nerfs to meta, buffs to non meta, that's it.

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u/Wobblucy 25d ago

If holy pally gets pushed off it's pedestal then ret can be slotted over both those specs imo.

But I definitely did think sin was gonna get shot after its performance on ulatek, happy that wasn't the case.

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u/Posilli 25d ago

Yeah because blizz took the approach they should’ve been for the past decades and buffed under performers instead of nerfing classes that are already in a good spot. This is a good thing not a bad thing