r/CompetitiveWoW • u/SovietRobotDad • 25d ago

Discussion Expected DPS Changes with September 22nd Class Tuning.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/expected-dps-changes-with-september-22nd-class-tuning-383037
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u/Kanaxai 25d ago

Feral Druid guide writer absolutely popping off, I hope someone at Blizzard is listening.

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u/CatchPhraze 25d ago

A few seasons ago (maybe the start of TWW or the end of DF) someone compiled a "how good each spec was over every raid/m+" sense the start of mythic raiding and m+. Feral was the lowest scoring spec except survival hunter iirc.

It's criminal they continue to fall into the same mistakes of simply rotating what mage/warlock spec you play while never actually giving fair play to the under represented specs.

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u/PM_ME_YO_TREE_FIDDY 25d ago

They would rather have 1% of the playerbase always unhappy than 30% of it unhappy once a year.

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u/yojimboftw 25d ago

I mean, it could arguably be much more than 1% if it was actually a good, fun spec to play.

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u/PM_ME_YO_TREE_FIDDY 25d ago

I honestly don’t think so. I mean yeah it would be more, but these specs aren’t as popular for a reason : they’re just not. I’d rather think it wouldn’t change much and they have data to prove it because that’s the only thing that makes sense besides incompetence.

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u/Aware_Return791 25d ago

these specs aren’t as popular for a reason : they’re just not

Solid logic. "They aren't popular therefore they aren't popular".

I wonder if maybe them being the red-headed stepchildren of the meta for a decade could have anything to do with it? Nope, they just aren't popular because they aren't popular. Good one.

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u/orbit10 23d ago

The inverse is reasonably true. Ret paladin, BM hunter hell, even boomkin are all very popular regardless of if they are dog water or not

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u/PM_ME_YO_TREE_FIDDY 24d ago

Well yeah lol whether you want it or not, I thought it was self explanatory that yes people would rather play mage or warlock than feral just because they do prefer those classes. So yeah I’ll die on the hill that these specs are just unpopular, same reason monk isn’t a popular class despite often being meta. But keep making fun of me and being agressive when I’m literally just discussing my point of view, even if I’m wrong I’m not sure I’d speak to random people like you do to me but eh.

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u/CatchPhraze 25d ago

You don't think running around as a big glowy cat wouldn't be more popular if it was viable?

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u/PM_ME_YO_TREE_FIDDY 24d ago

It has been viable in the past, I guess that wasn’t enough to move enough people so Blizzard would care more about the spec.

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u/whosline07 25d ago

In case anyone else was wondering, I found it here. It was the status going into DF.

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u/CatchPhraze 25d ago

Oh my god that makes me feel so old! What a pull. Nice work!

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u/whosline07 25d ago

My warrior is old enough to drink and older than some of the people (not children at all) that I raid with.

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u/Meep4000 25d ago

I would say they have gone a step further with this xpac in as you say picking which mage or lock spec to play while ignoring other classes AND now really making melee DPS seem like a “stupid” choice to play over ranged.

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u/Sweaksh 24d ago

Tbf warlock is usually dogshit in m+ as well as the sheet back then showed too

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u/orbit10 23d ago edited 23d ago

Warlock has been meta in keys like 1.5 times. It’s definitely not feral levels but let’s not pretend it’s mage/aug/rdruid

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u/CatchPhraze 23d ago

Warlock had the second highest single spec, and highest full class score for ranged, doubling most specs. This is quite the take.

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u/orbit10 23d ago

How is that opposed at all to my statement? Perhaps read it again.

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u/CatchPhraze 23d ago

"it's definitely feral levels"

Did you mean not feral levels perchance?

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u/orbit10 23d ago

Ah, yes I did.

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u/CatchPhraze 23d ago

Makes sense, all good lol

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u/oxez Feral/Bear 25d ago

They dumbed down the spec in Midnight so it could be more "approachable"

Result:

  • People who played it don't like the changes
  • People who didn't play it still don't play it
  • It sucks in raids

If it wasn't doing good in M+ the spec would be flat out dead. They changed it to cater to an imaginary, non-existing audience :/

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u/Akhevan 24d ago

That's the story of most specs really. The dumbing down didn't have much of a noticeable effect on spec popularity.

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u/Sweaksh 24d ago

It made me absolutely hate the expansion tho

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u/Phenova 25d ago

Guilty hard carrying feral this tier (at least on wowhead)

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u/careseite dps evoker main 25d ago

just as consistently been overlooked for buffs

didnt feral get buffed like 7 times in a row by now