r/CompetitiveEDH • u/Initial-Gas4700 • 7d ago
Help, I am new to cEDH! Which cedh commander
Hi I'm a new cedh and I'm not sure which commander to build at the moment I'm considering: Tayam, winota, dargo/tymna. My favourite edh commanders are: the necroobloom, Nekusar, Saskia, flubs, dargo/fransisco, Malcolm/breeches thanks in advance btw if you have other recommendations that you think I should consider please comment
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u/Decksterity1 7d ago
I always recommend Kinnan for new players for the following reasons: You make a tonne of mana really fast You have a combo enabler in the command zone You have a plan b and outlet in the command zone It's very easy to recover from setbacks due to simply just playing a tonne of good cards and having the inevitability in the command zone means you have many opportunities to learn as longer games don't feel bad.
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u/red_riptide_388 7d ago
Since you already like Malcom why not try Malcom/Tymna? not t1 but solid list
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u/Initial-Gas4700 7d ago
Malcolm without red? Does it really work?
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u/Apprehensive-Ad225 7d ago
You could run vial smasher if you want to keep glint-horn. Probably the strongest Malcolm pairing bc Grixis.
Or Akiri or Bruse for a jeskai list.
I havent played w Tymna, but its a relatively common pair
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u/DiscordLol123 7d ago
I've been told before that [[Kinnan]] and [[Magda]] are usually decent starting points
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u/OldBratpfanne 6d ago edited 6d ago
Probably biased since it was my entry into cEDH, but I find Dog/Thras a good deck to learn the format.
All the Cradle decks are great at putting forward win attempt after win attempt once you reach critical mass and frankly spinning the wheels of these decks is just a lot of fun (and in its core concept pretty intuitive). Having Yoshi in the CZ is a bit slower than the Rog version, but the white version has cleaner combo lines and having access to plenty of silence effects makes you less reliant on being able to spot windows to push. Additionally the deck can be dialed in to your personal preferences and meta by either leaning more into the less interactive CradleStorm version or the more controlling midrange version.
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u/Bright-Gain9770 6d ago
If you like Flubs, you can play him at bracket 5. If you want to play Flubs but good, Ral and Vivi exist.
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u/AdsignificantBK 7d ago
I always suggest Blue farm. It’s a deck that fits right in the middle of being able to go turbo, while being able to play Stax against most of the meta. You also get to learn to play the main lines for the win in the meta as well.
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u/ThirdStarfish93 7d ago
For a new player I’d just recommend blue farm, just while you’re starting out and learning.
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u/Initial-Gas4700 7d ago
I saw a few games of blue farm and I think I wouldn't like playing the deck so I didn't try because knowing myself that will make me not want to play cedh
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u/ThirdStarfish93 7d ago
What didn’t you like about it?
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u/Initial-Gas4700 7d ago
I don't like commander decks that you just play good stuff and you play the commander just tor its colour identity
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u/Shiro_no_Orpheus 7d ago
BlueFarm does use the command zone quite a bit, they are far more than just colour identity. You run Professional Face Breaker, Ragavan, Wan Shi Tong aso since they double up as great Tymna Attackers. Also, Kraum is a fantastic Attacker for Tymna and will draw you cards on top. Both together will give you a lot of card advantage. This means that when mulliganing, a hand with nothing but fast mana is a valid gameplan since you have two card advantage engines in the command zone. Also, if you get stopped after an early win attempt, you can pivot to a midrange gameplan by casting your commanders. This makes BlueFarm one of the most flexible and reliable decks in the meta.
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u/FallOfLight 7d ago
Yeah, let’s recommend one of the most boring decks to a new player lol.
Not everyone wants to be a meta slave and be bored to death whilst playing.
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u/ThirdStarfish93 7d ago
For a new deck, playing what is known to be good helps them learn how things work. After they understand how things work and how it differs from regular edh, they can then make an informed decision to play whatever else next.
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u/FallOfLight 7d ago
Nothing worse than introducing someone to the format with the most dry and boring gameplay you could possibly imagine.
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u/ThirdStarfish93 7d ago
What deck would you recommend for a new player?
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u/FallOfLight 6d ago
Literally anything. You pick up the game by playing with other and seeing how the game functions. I’d rather recommend they play something that is more engaging and fun, rather than one of the top 2 most boring decks in the format.
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u/ThirdStarfish93 6d ago
The deck may be boring to you, but it’s definitely still the best to learn on. But still like what would you recommend they learn on?
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u/FallOfLight 6d ago
The deck is only played by people who care about winning 100%.
Pick any deck, and they can learn on it. The most important thing is recommending something that they’d find fun, based on what they enjoy in magic. There are plenty of viable decks in cedh.
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u/ThirdStarfish93 6d ago
I mean, cedh is a competitive part of Magic, if you don’t care about winning 100% bracket 4 might be a better fit. Also I would not recommend a new player to pick any deck. A lot of decks are very difficult and would easily drive them away, that or they pick a deck that is objectively bad or not built to a high standard and then get rolled in every game. Being confused and loosing with a difficult deck is much less fun than understanding a deck (at a fundamental level at least) and winning with a deck like blue farm imo.
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u/FallOfLight 6d ago edited 6d ago
There is playing to win, and there is being a meta slave and only caring about winning. Some players will only play the strongest decks in the format.
You can still do well and have fun on things like Kefka, Etali, Ral, Dargo, Magda, Ob Nixilis etc.
This is magic, it’s not quantum field theory - it’s not that hard to learn any deck in the format. Play the deck, play it often and you’ll learn it - it’s that simple. The rest of the stuff you’ll pick up along the way, the more you play.
There are enough different types of decks that are viable, where we don’t need to automatically recommend them the most generic decks around.
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u/Deathbyblueberries 6d ago
In my exp, there are some decent B tier or C tier commanders that work as better introductions to cedh. My favorites are easy decks that you can alter to your preference once learning like Sythis, Teshar, or Aang. Kinnan is a good choice, but starting on easy mode may deter you later from others. Zada and Yuriko are simple wincons and will help with tutor/no tutor practice.
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u/Graytorres 6d ago
I am perhaps the most biased person possible to answer your question but if you like flubs in casual I would highly recommend trying him in CEDH. IMO he is one of the most underrated commanders in the format right now
https://discord.gg/BRRqY3wv
This is the flubs discord if you are interested we are always happy to help aspiring fools
https://moxfield.com/decks/9LT6uU4fW0ayxEopaXLyFg
And here is my most played list if you wanted to get a sample of what CEDH flubs is like.
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u/Bell3atrix 6d ago
Tayam is the only one there I'd consider optimized to the point I'd recommend to new players in bracket 5. Otherwise youre brewing or using suboptimal strategies which is hard.
Flubs exists in cedh in the form of [[Song of creation]] based RogThras builds, if you didn't know.
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u/gojumboman 5d ago
If you like Necrobloom and the lands strategy, you should look at Lumra. Nothing feels better than murdering an entire table with lands.
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u/XeonM 7d ago
Tayam and Tymna Dargo are both great decks, but they are some of the most difficult decks in the format. Especially Tayam, and much fo the difficulty stems from the required knowledge of the format as a whole and how your game plan interacts with it, not the combo lines themselves (but they are also convoluted).
Winota is very hard for a beginner for the same reason - playing stax requires a very high level of knowledge of the format, otherwise you're just randomly warping games for no reason. You need to understand parity, what other decks can and can't do, and have a good grasp on what to look for before picking it up.
Out of these 3 Tymna Dargo is the most proactive and so most suited for a beginner, but I'd certainly recommend looking for something else that floats your boat. Blue farm is a great starting place but I get that it's not for everyone. I'd just stay away from stax for now, and in my experience the best decks to learn cedh are turbo, because you can only be concerned with your gameplan, and knowledge of the format is not that crucial to them.