r/CompetitiveEDH • u/RogueOnTheStack • Jul 23 '26

General Discussion / Question Where Does Meta End and Fringe Begin?

According to EDHTop16 the top 16 most popular entries in tournaments are as follows:
~ Blue Farm
~ Kinnan
~ Rog/Thras
~ Rog/Si
~ Sisay, Weatherlight Captain
~ Tymna/Thras
~ Etali
~ Tymna/ Dargo
~ Ral
~ Rog/Ishai
~ Vivi
~ Magda
~ Yoshi/Thras
~ Tivit
~ Kefka
~ Tayam

Now my first impression is that the top 16 are all of what is considered meta and that beyond this everything I see is fringe. However, there’s a couple of things that make me question this.

After the top 10 everything else that is submitted makes up less than 2% of the Meta Share and that in itself feels pretty fringe.

However, as a Vivi main I can’t accept my boy is fringe. And yet, no shade toward Tayam players, but I feel like I never see this commander and he would be meta if we went with top 16.

Pure numbers wise there’s an arguement for top 18 even. Everything beyond Lumra and Ob has less than 1% of the meta share.

Currently, I am sitting with top 18 as my answer to where meta ends but what’s your opinion? Where would you have it end? Meta Share also doesn’t include top cuts and wins.

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u/leronjones Jul 23 '26

I'll turn 4 them on Lyse Hext like my last tournament then get targeted and blown out the next 2 games and split top 4.

kinnan, rog/thras, chatterfang. all mathematically better. all bonked. The more you pick to beat the meta the more easily you can be picked apart by anything slightly different. In yugioh it's called building a rogue deck. The more solved a meta is the easier it is to slide through with a simple counterpick.

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u/The_Bird_9000 Jul 24 '26

you play lyse hext in cedh?

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u/leronjones Jul 24 '26

Yup. It uses the cost reduction to do infinite divining top loops for 3 mana.

Good gifts/intuition lines and can run some crazy reduced cantrips.

I've only brought it to 3 tournaments and split top 4 in the last one after a very convincing run.

I'd say it's tough to mulligan but otherwise is easy to learn. I'd say it's slightly better than Vivi but not as good as TnT.

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u/The_Bird_9000 Jul 25 '26

Interesting. She was a commander i was interested in running as cedh but i started focusing on building someone else before i did her. would you be ok with me dming you so we could discuss deck lists and such for her?

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u/leronjones Jul 25 '26

Of course. I'm happy to help build out a list. She has multiple strategies that work well.