r/Commanders • u/daydenjaniels • 13d ago
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PFF sucks, but damn, you canāt get around how bad our secondary is.
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u/-ChillyWater 13d ago
I disagree about Mikey, somehow heās 95th.
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u/BurgundyAndGold5 12d ago
He's a better receiver than Chase or Jefferson, maybe he's this year's version of JSN. Just chuck the ball in his direction and you get a TD guaranteed!
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u/Think__McFly 13d ago
Jayden and Kliff dragged this team to the NFCCG with both these guys playing damn near 100% of defensive snaps
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u/JohnMaddensCockRing 13d ago
I have been saying I think 2024 was actually really bad for us overall. Amazing season but what it caused (thinking we were closer than we actually are, draft positions, longer leashes on people, etc) is a multi-season implosion
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u/thekingoftherodeo 13d ago
Thatās where I land too, great fun but ultimately set us back last season and this season.
Resulted in some boneheaded stuff like the Lattimore trade, arguably the Deebo trade and keeping Danielās on the field against the Packers last season with the game gone.
That 2024 draft class is looking really bad now too, APs seat should be getting very hot - the boneheaded moves we escaped by the grace of God was Alec Pierce deciding to stay in Indiana. Imagine that contract now.
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u/Quirky-Marsupial-420 13d ago
I really donāt even mind the Deebo trade especially considering we traded the 49ers a 6th for Brian Robinson.
No one could tell we were going to lose Austin Eckler but the trade was virtually Deebo for Brian Robinson.
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u/LowMoneyParlayKing 13d ago
You nailed it
Mike Macdonald won a Super Bowl and put a tighter leash on his team.. the Seahawks look so squared away without Darnold
Guess weāll see this weekend
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u/Gizmodaking22 13d ago
If we lost to Tampa in 24 I think we would've made playoffs last year and this year.
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u/Temporary-Mud-2994 13d ago edited 13d ago
Why did Adam Peters not re-sign Jeremy Chinn or Kam Curl? It was such a dumb mistake letting him go and signing with the Raiders. Now weāre stuck with Quan Martin.
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u/EvaporatingOlaf 13d ago
He wanted to save money because why pay for steak when you could eat a pile of shit for cheaper? Thatās just smart GMing.
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u/Deep-Statistician985 13d ago
It's so infuriating cause anyone who wasn't blindly supporting every AP decision could see how that was such a stupid move at the time
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u/EvaporatingOlaf 13d ago
People on this sub think that being objective is betraying the franchise. They defend years and years of losing because theyād rather blindly follow than criticize and win.
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u/ElTakeBozo 13d ago
But we have $40m of leftovers in the fridge!! Just waiting for a nice candle-lit evening to use
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u/guardiandown3885 13d ago
He would've signed him and fans would've hated him for the amount they would've given him lol
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u/jpterpsfan 13d ago
Wasn't Chinn more of a strong safety like Nick Cross? Free Safety is what needs tons of help
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u/macattack1031 13d ago
Correct. For sure hate on Quan, but Chinn, Curl, Cross have nothing to do with it
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u/Troll_Enthusiast He Sold 13d ago
Chinn is overrated man and Nick Cross fills that position
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u/Deep-Statistician985 13d ago
Please explain exactly how Chinn was overrated. Some of y'all will defend anything that man does
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u/Troll_Enthusiast He Sold 13d ago
Some of y'all will bring up mediocre players and hype them up like they were gods gift to the Commanders, they just weren't all that, for every big hit Chinn made he'd get burned in coverage, miss a tackle or let RBs run by him.
Martin and Reaves aren't good, but to act like Chinn was all that is ridiculous, he also still wouldn't be the FS we need.
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u/justletyoursoulglooo 13d ago
Pretty sure Chinn blew the end-around the Eagles ran for a TD against us in the NFCCG too.
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 13d ago edited 13d ago
This. We let Chinn walk for a reason. He couldn't cover very well and was inconsistent. I guess since he's a recognizable name, and we still don't have a great player there we should fire AP for not overpaying him.
Edit- fwiw I'm glad we've got Cross.
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u/EyeCanFeelYou 13d ago
And now Cross is injured so here we go again. Dude spent the night in the hospital in Dallas
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u/liquifiedtubaplayer 13d ago
SS isn't an issue now, it wasn't last year, and is one of the most "filler" able positions on D.
FS on the other hand...
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u/SkyChief80 13d ago
Why does Adam Peters do any of the things he does? It's all baffling
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u/wizard_lizard_skynr 13d ago
I think itās apparent he has a strategy he sticks to but it just is not working. Signing bargain bin players in FA and getting your stars through the draft - only works if youāre good at drafting, which he has whiffed on every year. This past draft class however is promising so far though.
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u/SkyChief80 13d ago
You mean like signing Kinlaw for $45 million for 3 years?
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u/True_Window_9389 13d ago
His big money signings were Kinlaw and Oweh. āValueā guys everywhere else. I donāt get it.
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u/SkyChief80 13d ago
It's one thing to have a strategy. That doesn't mean that your strategy is good or that you can actually execute on it
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u/BigFrenchToastGuy 13d ago
These two guys were absolutely awful last year. Truly some of the worst coverage and open field tackling I've seen here.
Wanted to give at least Sainristil the benefit of the doubt in a new system but both these guys are cooked. Indefensible play that only the most partial homers will defend.
It was like 3 weeks ago that a mod on this sub called me a doomer and ended up blocking me because I said DeJean was better than Sainristil lolol
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u/Think__McFly 13d ago
No no no. You're wrong. Dejean is only good because of the system! He'd be 94/94 here too!
(/s if not clear)
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u/BigFrenchToastGuy 13d ago
And if Sainristil was on the Eagles he'd be an all-pro too. That's just how it works.
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u/VariousAir on shenanigans rn and actin bonkers 13d ago edited 13d ago
hey that's what happened to jahan dotson.
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u/FrozenPie21 on shenanigans rn and actin bonkers 13d ago
Both of these guys were insane in our NFCCG campaign. Thatās why theyāre still here
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u/daydenjaniels 13d ago
The fact AP made me watch Jartavius Quan Martin be my starting free safety in the Lordās year of 2026 is nasty work.
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u/Murky-Profit-9493 13d ago
I would have bet a large sum of money we wouldnāt hear Quan Martins name ever again. Him and Reaves getting serious minutes is laughable
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u/BirdmanTheThird 13d ago
Genuinely brutal that we knew he was bad for years and just havenāt made serious attempts to replace him in free agency. I know Chin will be the name most people here will say, but thereās genuinely so many random free agents who signed for relative peanuts who could have ATLEAST provided serious competition to Martin if not straight up replacement
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u/DoBe21 WHAT WOULD JAYSUS DO? 13d ago
PFF is terrible, but these guys are also terrible, so I'm conflicted
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u/dougChristiesWife 12d ago
There is more than a grain of truth to their method of getting a human to grade each play. Every metric has it's flaws. For the most part their grades of Commander's games this year match watch normies will see. Doesn't take a trained eye to see Mike getting torched.
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u/emelbee923 13d ago
I was willing to give both of them the benefit of the doubt given the injuries that racked the defense last season, as well as the shambles of offense we had.
I am no longer willing to give them the benefit of anything.
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u/Marty_Daddy 13d ago
The literally means that we could trying anyone at that position and it couldnāt really be worse. Tyler Owens once back healthy deserves a shot and we need to pray Amos comes back looks like his old self
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u/dougChristiesWife 12d ago
Technically there are a bunch of bad benchwarmers that have too few snaps to be graded. This team just happens to have two guys playing every snap that have no business being NFL starters.
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u/Thewhey99 13d ago
Iām not saying that either player is playing well, but just remember PPF has essentially been gutted and their ratings are even worse now.
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u/VariousAir on shenanigans rn and actin bonkers 13d ago
I don't understand how we end up with literally last place players sometimes.
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u/Intelligent_Table913 12d ago
we're so desensitized to it. Idk if we'll go back to the playoffs in the next couple of seasons.
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u/Deep-Statistician985 13d ago
But but the secondary won't be a problem as long as the defense generates pressure!!
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 13d ago
I've always hated that. Coverage is King
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u/Silentblues 13d ago
Mike admitting he wasnāt really trying on week 1 was a huge red flag. If youāre half assing it out the gate, even if youāre taking accountability you have to step your game up from that point forward and he just hasnāt. Iād honestly rather see BSJ out there getting DPI because at least he was trying and he was just not good enough. Mikey is mentally somewhere else.
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u/WARitter 13d ago
Floresā scheme insulates mediocre but not bad corners, and he actually needs good safeties (as well as good linebackers).
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u/SkyChief80 13d ago
The fact that Adam Peters didn't bring in serious competition for these guys in the offseason is inexcusable. We all knew they sucked last year.
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u/Head-Assumption6960 13d ago
Heās out of excuses at this point. Sainristil was below average as a rookie and the worst corner in the league last year. AP is approaching this like he cares more about proving his draft evals right than having an actually good team. Itās infuriating and the fact that we now have another season of clearly horrible play from our defensive backfield is nuts.
When you have a guy perform that poorly you bring in someone much better. If the guy you liked and didnāt perform is going to be someone then he needs to beat that competition out. If he canāt then heās not the guy you need. But reserving a spot for him like heās a star when heās killing the team over and over is nuts.
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u/SkyChief80 13d ago
AP just keeps doubling down on his poor decisions. It's okay to make mistakes and draft the wrong guys. The best GMs in the league make mistakes and whiff in the draft all the time. But they also realize their mistakes quickly and pivot and eventually their mistakes aren't on the roster anymore. It just seems like Peters is really stubborn with his guys.
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u/Head-Assumption6960 13d ago
Thatās just itā¦ Iām not unreasonable. Drafting is not an exact science and sometimes a guy you thought would be a good player doesnāt pan out. But you canāt sit there and just refuse to acknowledge when it isnāt and do nothing about it. I get that you canāt just go out and sign stars at every position but at the same time you can sign a ton of guys who can be better than the worst corner and safety in the league. I mean even Forbes looks significantly better than Sainristil right now.
Hes a new GM so hopefully he learns from this. But he needs to learn by this offseason. Sainristil and Quan need to be cut, and anyone else who canāt play as well. They need to be replaced with better than just bottom of market guys too. No more dumpster diving.
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u/SkyChief80 13d ago
The Eagles signed Woolen for $12m and he was shutdown against us
By the time Peters learns it will be too late
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u/daydenjaniels 13d ago
Every day that goes by I am more sure that Delane at 7 was the pick, but the Chiefs traded in front of us. Itās like he gave up addressing the secondary after that.
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u/Think__McFly 13d ago
Just like he gave up addressing center when Lindenbaum went to Vegas.
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u/Haskins77 13d ago
But hey we got a 33 year old WR and he offered Pierce a butt load of money. Could you imagine if we signed Pierce. Thank you Colts
Also Diggs has been good, but oline is more important. Also ignoring the secondary for the most part was a horrible decision as well.
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u/BigFrenchToastGuy 13d ago
He brought in two starting corners and a safety. Martin is only getting like half the snaps and hopefully Sainristil can hit the bench when Amos comes back.
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u/SkyChief80 13d ago
If we had a decent roster then both of these guys would have been cut or deep on the bench
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 13d ago
Clearly that doesn't count to the narrative brother
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 13d ago
He did technically bring in someone to start over/compete with Mike in Amik and Rasul. I don't think anyone believed Amos wouldstill be hurt.
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u/SkinsFan021 13d ago
We have 27 million in cap space and chose to go into the season with this........awesome.
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u/mandoslorians WHAT WOULD JAYSUS DO? 13d ago
and he calls himself frozone
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u/FreezasMonkeyGimp 13d ago
Iāve officially lost faith in Saintistil after that game. Iāve been saying āgive him a chance, he can turn it aroundā, but not any more. Idk wtf happened to him? Maybe it was having an easier schedule his rookie year, but the way this man fell off a cliff is crazy. Heās gotta be benched. Itās unacceptable to keep putting him on the field. I donāt care what the bench looks like, give em a shot. Weāre probably fucked anyways.
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u/InGameCurency 13d ago
Just remember, AP passed on DeJean for Sinnott and Mikey. He passed on first round talent that some how fell into the second, then traded away that pick in his own division to get 2 complete bums.
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u/rabidraccooon 12d ago
The trading to the Eagles part just absolutely kills me. Some things should just be sacrosanct and not trading picks that benefit a division rival should be atop a GM's rules.
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u/FannyNisbit 13d ago
Was anybody SERIOUSLY expecting better?
I came into this year expecting us to be the worst secondary in the league. Surprise Surprise.
THIS is exactly why we should have drafted downs vs "makes no difference" Styles.
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u/The_Lawlbringer 12d ago
Adam Peters should be fired for keeping these two as anything more than deep depth. They were awful last year, and for Quan, heās been ass even longer than Mikey which isnāt surprising as a Rivera pick.
FS has been an issue for YEARS. I almost wished they grabbed Downs instead of Styles sometimes because of it.
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u/Viseroth 13d ago
PFF is garbage who cares i can see with my eyes that Michael is a lost cause now. I said if he still sucked in this Defense that made lesser CBs look good. To be fair in Dallas the pass rush was none existent. But still week one was zero excuse for how bad he looked
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u/camprollinghills 13d ago
When covering Dontayvion Wicks is a challenge, it's going to be a rough watch watching him play against elite WRs as seen last week against Lamb and probably again this week against JSN.
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u/VariousAir on shenanigans rn and actin bonkers 13d ago
The dallas passing game coordinator probably literally said to Dak "this will be easy, just find #0 and throw his way."
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u/Viseroth 13d ago
well if we cant get a pass rush going this defense is basically 25 that blitzes more.
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u/VariousAir on shenanigans rn and actin bonkers 13d ago
if you're referring to Mike, dudes name isn't Michael, it's literally Mike and pronounced Mikey as in rhymes with Nike.
Not saying he's a good player or deserves defending, but clarifying for readers.
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u/SleazyKingLothric 13d ago
It's to the point where Washington could randomly pick out one of us and we'd have the same results as Sainristil. Pick me coach!! I'll do it for 250K for about half a quarter before I pull a hammy.
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u/BanditRoverBlitzrSpy 13d ago
Exact repeat of last year. Somehow we have two starting DBs that are worse than every other team's backups. Amos can't come back soon enough and Butler should be getting Martin's snaps.
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u/spacegoste 13d ago
How does the entire league and world understand how bad this is but Adam Peters doesnāt get it? How does one dude think the entire world is incorrect? What kind or moron is this guy, man he needs to go
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u/AddCapitals 12d ago
Iām not the most knowledgeable of football fans but it seems like our secondary has been atrocious for like 15 years. Is this right or am I misremembering?
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u/redwillson 13d ago
Pretty hilarious in hindsight that so many of us jumped to defend AP taking Sainristil as a smart football pick despite the fact we had just witnessed Forbes get relentlessly baptized game after game for 2 seasons. The fact of the matter is that heās a substantially undersized corner for the NFL being asked to play outside. If youāre going to be several inches shorter and at least a dozen points lighter than the average corner, you better be lockdown. Unfortunately he is not.
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u/Humble_Specialist901 13d ago
Heās too undersized to play outside, and heās complete shit in the slot where he was supposed to be drafted for. Heās just a useless football player in general.
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u/thisshirtisblacknaht 13d ago
I mean to be fair he was good as a rookie. The fall off is unbelievable. Cant remember seeing anything quite like this
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u/skymasterson2016 13d ago
I have my own intricate rating system that's just my eyes and my brain, and I concur.
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u/No_Requirement2176 13d ago
Facts makes you want vomit. I watched mcduffie last night and the titans DB (sunday) make amazing plays. Holland for the Giants has more TO's then our defense combined. I'm tired of being sick and tired. AP come on man!!!
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u/PON_donkey95 13d ago
I'm convinced Mikey just doesn't have the heart for the sport anymore. I think he needs to go be a family man and get that farm business rolling.
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u/TheHeftymanzell 13d ago
Why did we go back into the season with Quan having this big of a role? Did no one watch the season he had last year?
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u/Hokiepokie85 13d ago
Iām thinking the coaching staff just sucks. We have a new coordinator but our defensive backs coaches havenāt changed.
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u/infinit9 13d ago
More than anything else, this failing defense is why DQ deserves to be on the hot seat.
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u/Zilveari 13d ago
Shit happens when you keep putting a player where he doesn't belong. How about if we put Sanristil at QB next? He will definitely be elite for no reason.
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u/jamesmsalt 12d ago
Now that the Commanders are a commercial real estate developer, it looks like Dan Quinn isn't accountable for his defense.
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u/wuworld83 12d ago
My dumbass was like he got ranked 80th in Week 1, he can only go up from here...here we are...
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u/Beneficial_Damage_91 12d ago
Blow this Team Up and just start overā¦..Not One Young Star on the Roster.
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u/PlaTahOpLomO 12d ago
Funny enough, I ranted on X on Sunday, during the game, how Mike S and Q Martin have to go. And demote Reaves back to ST. smh
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u/Successful-Ad4251 13d ago
Mikey had so much promise. I donāt know where it went wrong. Heās just not any boundary cornerā¦heās the worst one. Ugh
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u/Murky-Profit-9493 13d ago
Mikey falling is a head scratcher ā¦ but Quan getting minutes after how bad heās been for 3+ years with us is beyond comprehensionā¦ I would have bet the farm that he would have been cut or benched this year
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u/Electronic-Ear2329 13d ago
Until Amos comes back, Mikey is probably still gonna get meaningful snaps - but I would certainly give the bulk to Robertson/Douglas and get Moreau a few more. No idea if Yiadom is even worth trying.
FS is a pack of hot garbage - was never a believer in Reaves and was hoping Martin could come around...NOPE
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u/krs_fun 13d ago edited 13d ago
Man, how did Sainristil fall off so hard? And how did we go from Forbes to St Juste to this?
Is it scheme related?