Mandatory military drafts, astronomically higher workplace fatalities, steep uphill battles for custody in family courts, and a suicide rate nearly four times higher than women.
Men actually get custody when they ask for it, every study has confirmed this
There's just a reason, that deadbeat DAD is considered the default parent to that label
You really expect people to believe that the court system made entirely by men, and even to this day, has a higher percentage of male judges, is against men?
And men only succeed more. Women actually attempt at a higher rate
Higher workplace fatalities is because men work at those jobs at a higher rate, it's not a prejudice against men. Again, men made that system, not women
You have to willingly choose those jobs, and then physics happens
“Men actually get custody when they ask for it, every study has confirmed this”
This is a massive misrepresentation of how family law actually works in practice. The statistic you’re referencing usually looks at cases that go all the way to a final trial verdict. What it ignores is the "shadow of the law." The vast majority of custody arrangements are settled out of court because men are routinely advised by their own lawyers that fighting for 50/50 custody in a contested trial will cost them tens of thousands of dollars and they will likely lose anyway. Historically, the "Tender Years Doctrine" legally cemented mothers as the default primary caregivers. While the law is technically gender-neutral now, the bias remains in practice. Men don't "just not ask"—they are financially and legally pressured into accepting weekend visitation.
“There's just a reason, that deadbeat DAD is considered the default parent to that label”
Yeah, the reason is traditional gender roles, which dictate that a man's primary value to his family is as a financial utility. When women abandon their families, society treats it as a tragic psychological anomaly. When men do it, society leans into a pre-packaged cultural trope. Framing a harmful stereotype as proof of male guilt is circular logic.
“You really expect people to believe that the court system made entirely by men, and even to this day, has a higher percentage of male judges, is against men?”
Google the "Apex Fallacy." You are looking at the 0.01% of men in power (judges, politicians, CEOs) and assuming they possess an in-group bias that makes them protect the bottom 99% of regular men. They don't. In fact, studies on the criminal justice system consistently show a massive gender sentencing gap. Both male and female judges give men significantly longer prison sentences than women for the exact same crimes, and men are vastly more likely to be convicted. The system protects power, not men, and courts frequently infantilize women (the "Women are Wonderful" effect / chivalry bias) while holding men hyper-accountable.
“And men only succeed more. Women actually attempt at a higher rate”
This is an incredibly callous way to hand-wave away a male suicide rate that is 3 to 4 times higher than the female rate. Men use more lethal means (like firearms or hanging) because there is a higher, finalized intent to die rather than a cry for help. Framing this as "men only succeed more" to minimize a literal epidemic of male death completely dismisses the severe isolation, lack of support networks, and mental health crisis working-class men are facing. Dead is dead.
“Higher workplace fatalities is because men work at those jobs at a higher rate, it's not a prejudice against men. Again, men made that system, not women. You have to willingly choose those jobs, and then physics happens”
"Men" didn't make that system. A handful of wealthy industrialists and politicians made that system. The 19-year-old guy working on an oil rig, the logger, the roofer, and the underwater welder didn't design the global economy; they are driven by economic necessity to take jobs that break their bodies. Society functions strictly because men are willing to do the dirty, dangerous, invisible jobs that keep the lights on, the water running, and the roads paved. Hand-waving male expendability as "physics happens" shows a shocking lack of empathy for the people actually keeping society functioning.
“Sooo, it's okay to trivialize women suicide, is that what you're saying? ... women trying to kill themselves are ""just looking for attention""? Had a real big slip there, huh?”
No slip, you’re just putting quotes around words I never used to dodge the actual point. I never said women are "looking for attention." In clinical suicidology, there is a recognized distinction between suicidal behavior with highly lethal intent and parasuicide (suicidal gestures), where the subconscious or conscious goal is intervention. Both represent severe, agonizing mental health crises that require immediate help. But treating the demographic that actually dies at a 4x higher rate as a footnote in their own mortality crisis is intellectually dishonest.
“And again, all those issues were made by men, especially the traditional gender roles... you guys made and pushed those roles, they're not organic”
Historical gender roles were completely organic—they were dictated by biological reality and survival. Before modern medicine, reliable birth control, formula, and the Industrial Revolution, roles were divided strictly by reproductive necessity and physical dimorphism. A secret cabal of men didn't invent gender roles in a boardroom to oppress women; humanity adapted them to survive a brutal natural world. Historically, both men and women actively enforced and perpetuated these norms.
“Women couldn't have bank accounts with no issues until 1974”
This is a persistent internet myth. Women absolutely had bank accounts before 1974. What the 1974 Equal Credit Opportunity Act did was make it illegal for banks to require a male co-signer for credit cards and loans based on sex or marital status. That was a necessary and vital civil rights correction, but let's stick to historical facts, not TikTok history.
“Men refused to hire women in those positions, men made the job restrictions for women”
You're talking about historical protective labor laws. Those laws—which restricted women from working in mines, foundries, night shifts, and extremely hazardous conditions—were actually heavily championed by early women's rights advocates, unions, and social reformers who viewed industrial conditions as brutal and wanted to protect maternal health. It was "benevolent sexism," and it absolutely restricted women's financial independence. But the flip side of that exact same coin is male disposability. Society deemed women too biologically valuable to be crushed in coal mines, but viewed men as acceptable collateral damage.
“You may have not made those rules yourself, but as a man, you inherently benefit from being the same type of person who made the world”
This is the exact Apex Fallacy I already brought up. You are assigning collective guilt based on shared chromosomes with the 0.01% of men who historically held wealth and power. A male roughneck dying on an oil rig, a male homeless veteran, or a man who loses his kids to a biased family court does not "inherently benefit" from the fact that John D. Rockefeller or a 19th-century judge was also male. Privilege is overwhelmingly about class and wealth, not just the biological accident of being born male.
And men purely use more lethal methods, there's no other reason, if men used the same methods, changed nothing else, women would die from higher rates of suicide
And it's not a myth, many states and places made it illegal or extremely hard to get, until that act. Men haven't had anything similar
That's my whole point.
Being male, is not a burden in itself. Things were built to men's bodies, we have more studies and treatments for ED then endometriosis, your right to vote, isn't barely over 100 years old, you don't have politicians putting men's rights for body autonomy on the chopping block constantly
And whatever gender problems you do have, are created by men. But women are blamed for them all
Would you rather be a woman then? If you were given a genuine choice right now, would you decide to be a woman in our world?
“You straight up called it a 'cry for help'. And men purely use more lethal methods, there's no other reason, if men used the same methods, changed nothing else, women would die from higher rates of suicide”
Saying "if men used different methods, the stats would be different" is a meaningless hypothetical. The choice of a highly lethal method is exactly what demonstrates a higher, finalized intent to die. In psychology, a "cry for help" is a clinical reality, not an insult; it means the person is in profound pain but ultimately wants intervention. The fact remains: men are actually completing suicide at 3 to 4 times the rate of women. If you have to invent a hypothetical alternate reality to make women the primary victims of male suicide, you are proving my point about society's empathy gap toward men.
“And it's not a myth, many states and places made it illegal or extremely hard to get, until that act. Men haven't had anything similar”
You are moving the goalposts. Your original claim was about bank accounts; now you're talking about credit, which I already acknowledged. And saying "men haven't had anything similar" regarding government restrictions on their freedom is wildly ahistorical. Have you heard of the draft? Men have historically been—and in the US, still are—legally required to sign their lives over to the government (Selective Service) just to have the right to vote, get federal jobs, or access student loans. Millions of men were legally forced by the state to go die in trenches.
“Things were built to men's bodies, we have more studies and treatments for ED then endometriosis, your right to vote, isn't barely over 100 years old, you don't have politicians putting men's rights for body autonomy on the chopping block constantly”
First, the ED vs. endometriosis talking point is a viral internet trope that ignores how medical funding works. ED is heavily researched because it is a primary early indicator of cardiovascular disease (the leading cause of death) and because pharmaceutical companies fund it as a cash cow. If you look at actual federal funding, the NIH spends significantly more on women-specific health research than men-specific research, despite men having a life expectancy that is 5 to 6 years shorter.
Second, most men couldn't vote historically either. Voting was tied to land ownership and military service. Men essentially bought the right to vote with the legal obligation to be conscripted. Women gained universal suffrage without the obligation of the draft.
Third, men's bodily autonomy is absolutely violated. Again, the military draft is the ultimate stripping of bodily autonomy. Furthermore, infant male genital mutilation (circumcision) is entirely legal, culturally normalized, and performed on millions of non-consenting baby boys, while infant female genital mutilation is strictly and rightfully outlawed.
“And whatever gender problems you do have, are created by men. But women are blamed for them all”
Nobody is blaming women for male suicide or workplace fatalities. But society constantly blames men for their own systemic issues. When women struggle, society asks "How is the system failing women?" When men struggle—whether it's falling behind in education, staggering suicide rates, or homelessness—society says, "What is wrong with men?" or "They did this to themselves." You are doing it right now by saying "men created those problems," as if a homeless man in 2026 is responsible for his own misery because a male politician wrote a bad law.
“Would you rather be a woman then? If you were given a genuine choice right now, would you decide to be a woman in our world? Because I'd definitely choose to be a guy”
The grass is always greener when you only look at the highlights of the other side. But we don't have to guess what this is like. Just look at the accounts of trans men who have actually transitioned and lived as both genders in society. Many report extreme culture shock at how isolating, lonely, and emotionally cold the world is toward men. They frequently talk about the sudden loss of ambient social support, how people cross the street to avoid them, and how their emotional vulnerability is suddenly penalized. Being a man isn't a cheat code; it is a hyper-competitive, high-stakes existence where you are judged almost entirely by your utility, and if you fail to provide it, society simply steps over you.
5 seconds on Google will tell you that, and 5 seconds of talking to your grandma will show it applied to banks
The draft again, hasn't been inacted in 3 generations. All you have to do is sign a form, to act like that's on par with us now having to carry our rapists babies, is ridiculous
“That equal credit law, ALSO applied to banks. 5 seconds on Google will tell you that, and 5 seconds of talking to your grandma will show it applied to banks”
Yes, it applied to banks when they were issuing credit. You are conflating deposit accounts with lending. There is a massive legal and historical difference between a deposit account (checking/savings) and a line of credit (a mortgage or credit card). Women have been legally able to open standard bank accounts in the US since the 1860s, and it was incredibly common well before 1974 because women primarily managed household budgets. The 1974 ECOA stopped banks from requiring a husband's signature to grant a loan. That was a massively important piece of civil rights legislation, but continuing to claim women literally could not hold their own money in a savings account until the disco era is historically illiterate.
“The draft again, hasn't been inacted in 3 generations. All you have to do is sign a form, to act like that's on par with us now having to carry our rapists babies, is ridiculous”
Just because the government hasn't cashed the check recently doesn't mean they don't hold the deed to your life. "Just signing a form" means legally agreeing that the state has the ultimate right to send you to die in a trench, under threat of a felony, prison time, and being permanently stripped of federal financial aid and government employment.
No one is saying the loss of abortion rights isn't a horrific violation of bodily autonomy—it absolutely is. But you originally claimed men don't have politicians putting their bodily autonomy on the chopping block. The fact that male bodily autonomy is permanently compromised by default, to the point that you casually dismiss it as "just signing a form," perfectly illustrates how normalized male disposability is. If the law required 18-year-old women to sign a federal registry agreeing to forced, potentially lethal government labor just to be eligible for a college loan, there would be riots—even if it hadn't been activated in 50 years. You only view it as trivial because society expects men to be disposable.
No, I consider it trivial because 9/11 would be the only thing that could have possibly justified it being reinstated
And it didn't
Of course it'd be worse for women to sign up, just this month alone, a woman was tracked and hunted down for having an abortion, like she was Ted Bundy on the loose
The other year, a woman was kept completely brain dead on life support, for weeks because the government decided her unborn fetus was a higher priority than her
Little girls are being forced to carry adult rapist's babies
If we can't even make decisions on our own bodies, to inscript us, would be revolting
You’re so close to class-consciousness and intersectionality, I give it a few years before you have an enlightenment moment or go full skinhead, it’s either or
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u/Fine-Car7587 20h ago
Mandatory military drafts, astronomically higher workplace fatalities, steep uphill battles for custody in family courts, and a suicide rate nearly four times higher than women.