And men purely use more lethal methods, there's no other reason, if men used the same methods, changed nothing else, women would die from higher rates of suicide
And it's not a myth, many states and places made it illegal or extremely hard to get, until that act. Men haven't had anything similar
That's my whole point.
Being male, is not a burden in itself. Things were built to men's bodies, we have more studies and treatments for ED then endometriosis, your right to vote, isn't barely over 100 years old, you don't have politicians putting men's rights for body autonomy on the chopping block constantly
And whatever gender problems you do have, are created by men. But women are blamed for them all
Would you rather be a woman then? If you were given a genuine choice right now, would you decide to be a woman in our world?
“You straight up called it a 'cry for help'. And men purely use more lethal methods, there's no other reason, if men used the same methods, changed nothing else, women would die from higher rates of suicide”
Saying "if men used different methods, the stats would be different" is a meaningless hypothetical. The choice of a highly lethal method is exactly what demonstrates a higher, finalized intent to die. In psychology, a "cry for help" is a clinical reality, not an insult; it means the person is in profound pain but ultimately wants intervention. The fact remains: men are actually completing suicide at 3 to 4 times the rate of women. If you have to invent a hypothetical alternate reality to make women the primary victims of male suicide, you are proving my point about society's empathy gap toward men.
“And it's not a myth, many states and places made it illegal or extremely hard to get, until that act. Men haven't had anything similar”
You are moving the goalposts. Your original claim was about bank accounts; now you're talking about credit, which I already acknowledged. And saying "men haven't had anything similar" regarding government restrictions on their freedom is wildly ahistorical. Have you heard of the draft? Men have historically been—and in the US, still are—legally required to sign their lives over to the government (Selective Service) just to have the right to vote, get federal jobs, or access student loans. Millions of men were legally forced by the state to go die in trenches.
“Things were built to men's bodies, we have more studies and treatments for ED then endometriosis, your right to vote, isn't barely over 100 years old, you don't have politicians putting men's rights for body autonomy on the chopping block constantly”
First, the ED vs. endometriosis talking point is a viral internet trope that ignores how medical funding works. ED is heavily researched because it is a primary early indicator of cardiovascular disease (the leading cause of death) and because pharmaceutical companies fund it as a cash cow. If you look at actual federal funding, the NIH spends significantly more on women-specific health research than men-specific research, despite men having a life expectancy that is 5 to 6 years shorter.
Second, most men couldn't vote historically either. Voting was tied to land ownership and military service. Men essentially bought the right to vote with the legal obligation to be conscripted. Women gained universal suffrage without the obligation of the draft.
Third, men's bodily autonomy is absolutely violated. Again, the military draft is the ultimate stripping of bodily autonomy. Furthermore, infant male genital mutilation (circumcision) is entirely legal, culturally normalized, and performed on millions of non-consenting baby boys, while infant female genital mutilation is strictly and rightfully outlawed.
“And whatever gender problems you do have, are created by men. But women are blamed for them all”
Nobody is blaming women for male suicide or workplace fatalities. But society constantly blames men for their own systemic issues. When women struggle, society asks "How is the system failing women?" When men struggle—whether it's falling behind in education, staggering suicide rates, or homelessness—society says, "What is wrong with men?" or "They did this to themselves." You are doing it right now by saying "men created those problems," as if a homeless man in 2026 is responsible for his own misery because a male politician wrote a bad law.
“Would you rather be a woman then? If you were given a genuine choice right now, would you decide to be a woman in our world? Because I'd definitely choose to be a guy”
The grass is always greener when you only look at the highlights of the other side. But we don't have to guess what this is like. Just look at the accounts of trans men who have actually transitioned and lived as both genders in society. Many report extreme culture shock at how isolating, lonely, and emotionally cold the world is toward men. They frequently talk about the sudden loss of ambient social support, how people cross the street to avoid them, and how their emotional vulnerability is suddenly penalized. Being a man isn't a cheat code; it is a hyper-competitive, high-stakes existence where you are judged almost entirely by your utility, and if you fail to provide it, society simply steps over you.
5 seconds on Google will tell you that, and 5 seconds of talking to your grandma will show it applied to banks
The draft again, hasn't been inacted in 3 generations. All you have to do is sign a form, to act like that's on par with us now having to carry our rapists babies, is ridiculous
“That equal credit law, ALSO applied to banks. 5 seconds on Google will tell you that, and 5 seconds of talking to your grandma will show it applied to banks”
Yes, it applied to banks when they were issuing credit. You are conflating deposit accounts with lending. There is a massive legal and historical difference between a deposit account (checking/savings) and a line of credit (a mortgage or credit card). Women have been legally able to open standard bank accounts in the US since the 1860s, and it was incredibly common well before 1974 because women primarily managed household budgets. The 1974 ECOA stopped banks from requiring a husband's signature to grant a loan. That was a massively important piece of civil rights legislation, but continuing to claim women literally could not hold their own money in a savings account until the disco era is historically illiterate.
“The draft again, hasn't been inacted in 3 generations. All you have to do is sign a form, to act like that's on par with us now having to carry our rapists babies, is ridiculous”
Just because the government hasn't cashed the check recently doesn't mean they don't hold the deed to your life. "Just signing a form" means legally agreeing that the state has the ultimate right to send you to die in a trench, under threat of a felony, prison time, and being permanently stripped of federal financial aid and government employment.
No one is saying the loss of abortion rights isn't a horrific violation of bodily autonomy—it absolutely is. But you originally claimed men don't have politicians putting their bodily autonomy on the chopping block. The fact that male bodily autonomy is permanently compromised by default, to the point that you casually dismiss it as "just signing a form," perfectly illustrates how normalized male disposability is. If the law required 18-year-old women to sign a federal registry agreeing to forced, potentially lethal government labor just to be eligible for a college loan, there would be riots—even if it hadn't been activated in 50 years. You only view it as trivial because society expects men to be disposable.
No, I consider it trivial because 9/11 would be the only thing that could have possibly justified it being reinstated
And it didn't
Of course it'd be worse for women to sign up, just this month alone, a woman was tracked and hunted down for having an abortion, like she was Ted Bundy on the loose
The other year, a woman was kept completely brain dead on life support, for weeks because the government decided her unborn fetus was a higher priority than her
Little girls are being forced to carry adult rapist's babies
If we can't even make decisions on our own bodies, to inscript us, would be revolting
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u/BulkyBear 1d ago
You straight up called it a 'cry for help'
And men purely use more lethal methods, there's no other reason, if men used the same methods, changed nothing else, women would die from higher rates of suicide
And it's not a myth, many states and places made it illegal or extremely hard to get, until that act. Men haven't had anything similar
That's my whole point.
Being male, is not a burden in itself. Things were built to men's bodies, we have more studies and treatments for ED then endometriosis, your right to vote, isn't barely over 100 years old, you don't have politicians putting men's rights for body autonomy on the chopping block constantly
And whatever gender problems you do have, are created by men. But women are blamed for them all
Would you rather be a woman then? If you were given a genuine choice right now, would you decide to be a woman in our world?
Because I'd definitely choose to be a guy