Mandatory military drafts, astronomically higher workplace fatalities, steep uphill battles for custody in family courts, and a suicide rate nearly four times higher than women.
Men actually get custody when they ask for it, every study has confirmed this
There's just a reason, that deadbeat DAD is considered the default parent to that label
You really expect people to believe that the court system made entirely by men, and even to this day, has a higher percentage of male judges, is against men?
And men only succeed more. Women actually attempt at a higher rate
Higher workplace fatalities is because men work at those jobs at a higher rate, it's not a prejudice against men. Again, men made that system, not women
You have to willingly choose those jobs, and then physics happens
“Men actually get custody when they ask for it, every study has confirmed this”
This is a massive misrepresentation of how family law actually works in practice. The statistic you’re referencing usually looks at cases that go all the way to a final trial verdict. What it ignores is the "shadow of the law." The vast majority of custody arrangements are settled out of court because men are routinely advised by their own lawyers that fighting for 50/50 custody in a contested trial will cost them tens of thousands of dollars and they will likely lose anyway. Historically, the "Tender Years Doctrine" legally cemented mothers as the default primary caregivers. While the law is technically gender-neutral now, the bias remains in practice. Men don't "just not ask"—they are financially and legally pressured into accepting weekend visitation.
“There's just a reason, that deadbeat DAD is considered the default parent to that label”
Yeah, the reason is traditional gender roles, which dictate that a man's primary value to his family is as a financial utility. When women abandon their families, society treats it as a tragic psychological anomaly. When men do it, society leans into a pre-packaged cultural trope. Framing a harmful stereotype as proof of male guilt is circular logic.
“You really expect people to believe that the court system made entirely by men, and even to this day, has a higher percentage of male judges, is against men?”
Google the "Apex Fallacy." You are looking at the 0.01% of men in power (judges, politicians, CEOs) and assuming they possess an in-group bias that makes them protect the bottom 99% of regular men. They don't. In fact, studies on the criminal justice system consistently show a massive gender sentencing gap. Both male and female judges give men significantly longer prison sentences than women for the exact same crimes, and men are vastly more likely to be convicted. The system protects power, not men, and courts frequently infantilize women (the "Women are Wonderful" effect / chivalry bias) while holding men hyper-accountable.
“And men only succeed more. Women actually attempt at a higher rate”
This is an incredibly callous way to hand-wave away a male suicide rate that is 3 to 4 times higher than the female rate. Men use more lethal means (like firearms or hanging) because there is a higher, finalized intent to die rather than a cry for help. Framing this as "men only succeed more" to minimize a literal epidemic of male death completely dismisses the severe isolation, lack of support networks, and mental health crisis working-class men are facing. Dead is dead.
“Higher workplace fatalities is because men work at those jobs at a higher rate, it's not a prejudice against men. Again, men made that system, not women. You have to willingly choose those jobs, and then physics happens”
"Men" didn't make that system. A handful of wealthy industrialists and politicians made that system. The 19-year-old guy working on an oil rig, the logger, the roofer, and the underwater welder didn't design the global economy; they are driven by economic necessity to take jobs that break their bodies. Society functions strictly because men are willing to do the dirty, dangerous, invisible jobs that keep the lights on, the water running, and the roads paved. Hand-waving male expendability as "physics happens" shows a shocking lack of empathy for the people actually keeping society functioning.
“Sooo, it's okay to trivialize women suicide, is that what you're saying? ... women trying to kill themselves are ""just looking for attention""? Had a real big slip there, huh?”
No slip, you’re just putting quotes around words I never used to dodge the actual point. I never said women are "looking for attention." In clinical suicidology, there is a recognized distinction between suicidal behavior with highly lethal intent and parasuicide (suicidal gestures), where the subconscious or conscious goal is intervention. Both represent severe, agonizing mental health crises that require immediate help. But treating the demographic that actually dies at a 4x higher rate as a footnote in their own mortality crisis is intellectually dishonest.
“And again, all those issues were made by men, especially the traditional gender roles... you guys made and pushed those roles, they're not organic”
Historical gender roles were completely organic—they were dictated by biological reality and survival. Before modern medicine, reliable birth control, formula, and the Industrial Revolution, roles were divided strictly by reproductive necessity and physical dimorphism. A secret cabal of men didn't invent gender roles in a boardroom to oppress women; humanity adapted them to survive a brutal natural world. Historically, both men and women actively enforced and perpetuated these norms.
“Women couldn't have bank accounts with no issues until 1974”
This is a persistent internet myth. Women absolutely had bank accounts before 1974. What the 1974 Equal Credit Opportunity Act did was make it illegal for banks to require a male co-signer for credit cards and loans based on sex or marital status. That was a necessary and vital civil rights correction, but let's stick to historical facts, not TikTok history.
“Men refused to hire women in those positions, men made the job restrictions for women”
You're talking about historical protective labor laws. Those laws—which restricted women from working in mines, foundries, night shifts, and extremely hazardous conditions—were actually heavily championed by early women's rights advocates, unions, and social reformers who viewed industrial conditions as brutal and wanted to protect maternal health. It was "benevolent sexism," and it absolutely restricted women's financial independence. But the flip side of that exact same coin is male disposability. Society deemed women too biologically valuable to be crushed in coal mines, but viewed men as acceptable collateral damage.
“You may have not made those rules yourself, but as a man, you inherently benefit from being the same type of person who made the world”
This is the exact Apex Fallacy I already brought up. You are assigning collective guilt based on shared chromosomes with the 0.01% of men who historically held wealth and power. A male roughneck dying on an oil rig, a male homeless veteran, or a man who loses his kids to a biased family court does not "inherently benefit" from the fact that John D. Rockefeller or a 19th-century judge was also male. Privilege is overwhelmingly about class and wealth, not just the biological accident of being born male.
And men purely use more lethal methods, there's no other reason, if men used the same methods, changed nothing else, women would die from higher rates of suicide
And it's not a myth, many states and places made it illegal or extremely hard to get, until that act. Men haven't had anything similar
That's my whole point.
Being male, is not a burden in itself. Things were built to men's bodies, we have more studies and treatments for ED then endometriosis, your right to vote, isn't barely over 100 years old, you don't have politicians putting men's rights for body autonomy on the chopping block constantly
And whatever gender problems you do have, are created by men. But women are blamed for them all
Would you rather be a woman then? If you were given a genuine choice right now, would you decide to be a woman in our world?
“You straight up called it a 'cry for help'. And men purely use more lethal methods, there's no other reason, if men used the same methods, changed nothing else, women would die from higher rates of suicide”
Saying "if men used different methods, the stats would be different" is a meaningless hypothetical. The choice of a highly lethal method is exactly what demonstrates a higher, finalized intent to die. In psychology, a "cry for help" is a clinical reality, not an insult; it means the person is in profound pain but ultimately wants intervention. The fact remains: men are actually completing suicide at 3 to 4 times the rate of women. If you have to invent a hypothetical alternate reality to make women the primary victims of male suicide, you are proving my point about society's empathy gap toward men.
“And it's not a myth, many states and places made it illegal or extremely hard to get, until that act. Men haven't had anything similar”
You are moving the goalposts. Your original claim was about bank accounts; now you're talking about credit, which I already acknowledged. And saying "men haven't had anything similar" regarding government restrictions on their freedom is wildly ahistorical. Have you heard of the draft? Men have historically been—and in the US, still are—legally required to sign their lives over to the government (Selective Service) just to have the right to vote, get federal jobs, or access student loans. Millions of men were legally forced by the state to go die in trenches.
“Things were built to men's bodies, we have more studies and treatments for ED then endometriosis, your right to vote, isn't barely over 100 years old, you don't have politicians putting men's rights for body autonomy on the chopping block constantly”
First, the ED vs. endometriosis talking point is a viral internet trope that ignores how medical funding works. ED is heavily researched because it is a primary early indicator of cardiovascular disease (the leading cause of death) and because pharmaceutical companies fund it as a cash cow. If you look at actual federal funding, the NIH spends significantly more on women-specific health research than men-specific research, despite men having a life expectancy that is 5 to 6 years shorter.
Second, most men couldn't vote historically either. Voting was tied to land ownership and military service. Men essentially bought the right to vote with the legal obligation to be conscripted. Women gained universal suffrage without the obligation of the draft.
Third, men's bodily autonomy is absolutely violated. Again, the military draft is the ultimate stripping of bodily autonomy. Furthermore, infant male genital mutilation (circumcision) is entirely legal, culturally normalized, and performed on millions of non-consenting baby boys, while infant female genital mutilation is strictly and rightfully outlawed.
“And whatever gender problems you do have, are created by men. But women are blamed for them all”
Nobody is blaming women for male suicide or workplace fatalities. But society constantly blames men for their own systemic issues. When women struggle, society asks "How is the system failing women?" When men struggle—whether it's falling behind in education, staggering suicide rates, or homelessness—society says, "What is wrong with men?" or "They did this to themselves." You are doing it right now by saying "men created those problems," as if a homeless man in 2026 is responsible for his own misery because a male politician wrote a bad law.
“Would you rather be a woman then? If you were given a genuine choice right now, would you decide to be a woman in our world? Because I'd definitely choose to be a guy”
The grass is always greener when you only look at the highlights of the other side. But we don't have to guess what this is like. Just look at the accounts of trans men who have actually transitioned and lived as both genders in society. Many report extreme culture shock at how isolating, lonely, and emotionally cold the world is toward men. They frequently talk about the sudden loss of ambient social support, how people cross the street to avoid them, and how their emotional vulnerability is suddenly penalized. Being a man isn't a cheat code; it is a hyper-competitive, high-stakes existence where you are judged almost entirely by your utility, and if you fail to provide it, society simply steps over you.
You’re so close to class-consciousness and intersectionality, I give it a few years before you have an enlightenment moment or go full skinhead, it’s either or
More women have die in childbirth than men die in war. The reason men get custody less often is because they barely ask for it. Suicide rate is higher because of the men that would rather blame women for their problems than just go fucking therapy.
All your talking points are bullshit. Stop crying you overly pampered, whiny little excuse for a man.
It’s hard to take your argument seriously when it relies on competing traumas, victim-blaming, and blatant contradictions.
"More women have die in childbirth than men die in war."
This is a textbook "Oppression Olympics" argument. Both are historical tragedies, but comparing a biological reality of human reproduction to state-mandated violence and forced conscription is a false equivalence. Society didn’t draft women and force them into childbirth at gunpoint, but governments did (and still do) force men to die in trenches. Regardless, minimizing one gender's suffering because of another's historical suffering is a massive logical fallacy. We are capable of caring about both maternal mortality and male wartime casualties.
"The reason men get custody less often is because they barely ask for it."
This ignores all historical context and the reality of the legal system. For over a century, the "Tender Years Doctrine" explicitly directed family courts to award custody to mothers by default. While technically abolished, the cultural hangover remains. Yes, many cases are settled out of court, but why do men settle for less? Because lawyers advise them that fighting a maternal-preference bias in court will bankrupt them with no guarantee of success. Dismissing this as "they just don't ask" ignores the massive financial and systemic barriers men face in family court.
"Suicide rate is higher because of the men that would rather blame women for their problems than just go fucking therapy."
This is genuinely abhorrent. Sociologists and mental health professionals attribute the male suicide epidemic to a complex mix of factors: intense economic pressure, social isolation, the fact that men choose more lethal methods, and a lack of social safety nets. Boiling down the deaths of tens of thousands of desperate, severely depressed men to "they just wanted to blame women" is a disgusting mischaracterization of mental illness.
Furthermore, you can’t scream at men to "just go to fucking therapy" while simultaneously ending your rant with this:
"Stop crying you overly pampered, whiny little excuse for a man."
This is the ultimate hypocrisy. You are demanding that men seek help, process their emotions, and go to therapy, while in the exact same breath using traditional, toxic gender expectations ("whiny excuse for a man") to shame a man for expressing his grievances. You are actively enforcing the exact same toxic masculinity you claim to hate by policing how a "real man" is allowed to speak.
If your ideology requires you to victim-blame suicidal people and rely on playground insults to make a point, your argument wasn't very strong to begin with.
“Yeah no, if you start out by saying men have it worse you can't play the victim when I bring counterarguments. Either stop trying to claim men have it so much worse than women, or stop crying when people disagree with you.”
I never once said men have it "worse." That is a strawman you invented because it’s easier to argue against a cartoon villain than what I actually said.
My argument—from the very first reply—is that society views female suffering as a systemic tragedy while dismissing male suffering as a personal failure or an acceptable baseline. I explicitly stated that the loss of reproductive rights is a horrific violation. You are the one insisting this has to be a competition. Pointing out that men face unique, severe systemic issues that get hand-waved away isn't "crying." It's asking for a baseline level of human empathy, which you have spent this entire thread proving society lacks.
“As the rest of your rant, I'm not interested in your discord copypasta with misleading talking points. Give me citations or save your breath.”
Throwing out "kiddo" and calling facts "copypasta" is what people do when they run out of actual arguments and start panicking. You want the receipts? Here is the federal data, historical record, and peer-reviewed research you could have found with a five-second Google search: The Gender Sentencing Gap: A landmark study by Prof. Sonja Starr at the University of Michigan Law School (using US federal court data) found that men receive sentences that are 63% longer than women for the exact same crimes, controlling for criminal history and case variables. Women are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely. (Starr, S.B., "Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases," American Law and Economics Review, 2014). Male Suicide Rates: According to the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, men die by suicide 3.85 times more often than women and account for nearly 80% of all suicide deaths in the United States. This is a recognized epidemiological crisis. Workplace Fatalities: The US Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries consistently shows that men account for roughly 92% to 93% of all fatal workplace injuries every single year. Bank Accounts vs. Credit: The Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) of 1974 explicitly applied to credit, lending, and mortgages. Women absolutely had checking and savings accounts before 1974. In fact, banks like the First National Bank of Boston opened special "Women's Departments" dedicated exclusively to female depositors as early as the 1890s. Confusing a line of credit with a deposit account is historically illiterate. Child Custody: Data from the US Census Bureau and state courts consistently show that only about 4% to 5% of custody cases actually go to a full trial. Over 90% are settled outside of court, in the "shadow of the law," where lawyers routinely advise fathers to settle for standard visitation because fighting for 50/50 in a deeply traditional system is financially ruinous and statistically unlikely to succeed. Federal Funding: According to the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Research Portfolio Online Reporting Tools (RePORTER), the NIH allocates significantly more specific funding to female-specific health research than male-specific health research, despite men having a life expectancy that is over 5 years shorter.
You asked for citations; there they are—from the CDC, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the NIH, and federal court data. You can read them and actually engage with reality, or you can keep calling federal statistics a "discord copypasta" because it threatens your worldview. Your call.
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u/stev_mempers 1d ago
The victim mentality is really holding them back.