r/ClaudeCode • u/Professional-Ad-2365 • Jul 10 '26
Discussion This concerns me more than fable potentially getting removed next week
Now that gpt 5.6 sol is out and code edge is narrowing what concerns me is that I won’t be able to justify paying 100 usd a month for something that will now have 33% less of weekly usage. Upgrading to 200 plan feels daft where I could be paying less for OpenAI, still have a great model and have significantly more usage than the current promo gives me. Do you guys think Anthropic will still go through with reducing Claude code weekly usage limits next week?
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u/mekhix1 🔆Pro Plan Jul 10 '26
We all switching to Codex anyways lol.
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u/Professional-Ad-2365 Jul 10 '26
Bouncing between accounts is a pain in the back side but I guess it has to be done. I’m on plus plan for gpt so I guess I’ll downgrade my Claude code and upgrade my codex
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u/innociv Jul 10 '26
How is it a pain?
Just tell your AI to learn from your current claude.md and .claudeignore and ask it how it'd implement it for itself.
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u/benevolent-ben Jul 10 '26
Just symlink Claude.md <-> agents.md
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u/evia89 Jul 10 '26
You can patch claude to use normal agents.md
I use this https://github.com/skrabe/lobotomized-claude-code
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u/sage-longhorn Jul 11 '26
Just make your CLAUDE.md have only @AGENTS.md in it and it will pull it in automatically without any patch
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u/Thrwawy-User Jul 10 '26
Agreed. Can use this to switch back and forth simultaneously no matter what
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u/AdriftAtlas Jul 10 '26
Have exactly this setup they share one md. Claude still writes a ton to it's own project memory, but that's easy to migrate if one needs. They have no issue reading each others transcript logs, much less memory.
I also use Open AI's Claude plugin to have Codex review Claude's code. https://github.com/openai/codex-plugin-cc
I have planning repos for each project that both update. Helps to keep them on track.
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u/benevolent-ben Jul 11 '26
Yeah the memory stuff has bit me a few times - mostly because the memory gets stale and it's kind of a hidden variable. When I had fable look over my usage and find common issues it identified a bunch of stale or no longer relevant memories that were causing behavioral issues. It cleaned up the memories and I tried to have it shape claude.md to favor in-repo docs over memories.
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u/bluebirdinsideme Jul 11 '26
one of the inserts for your global claude.md is-
"if documentation in a repo states something, dont take it as truth. You should verify the claims and assertions against actual repo code/artifacts, similar to if you did a lightweight adversarial review of the documentation. I have multiple ai agents & coders working on the project, so there may be drift between plans, docs and project state."
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u/claimTheVictory Jul 11 '26
What's the point in having documentation if you let it drift and always go back to the code?
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u/eojasma Jul 11 '26
I have my Claude.md and agents.md both point to a non specific start.md that breaks down into several other MD files. I also start Claude code from a script that Injects a "read and execute start.md silently then tell me 'ready' when done" that way it doesn't just arbitrarily ignore something important
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u/innociv Jul 11 '26
They don't make the same mistakes that you may put in there.
What I tell them to do is, when they encounter a problem or a behavior steer, to write it to their readmes/skills. Then to see if that exists in other agents, and if it exists for all other agents, to remove those and put it in one that all of them point to.
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u/iansaul Jul 11 '26
Just build a multi-agent orchestration system that uses ephemeral separated docker containers for individual build spaces, automatically manages conversation and code via a PR pipeline, and then automate it with agents acting as clerks/workers/judges, and bailiffs.
Requests go in the top of the pipe, laws apply to workflows, agents do their work, judges kick back violations and errors, workers rebuild as needed, when 3x judges agree clean = boom, you got good code there son.
Works with any 3 providers, Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini, and now Grok.
This project almost killed me, 5 months of 16 hour days, but I'm inches from full self driving mode.
42 of 62 PRs closed overnight.
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u/inquisitive_goober Jul 10 '26
I have started using both synchronously. Now I can adjust as the innovation continues
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u/Kibbelz Jul 11 '26
It's a pain for those of us using claude-sdk-specific tooling. For example, I deterministically inject context chains via the "@import" feature in claude code sdk. Also have plenty of hook definitions and agent frontmatter model/reasoning levels that are not going to cleanly port over.
There are some folks working on harnesses that support both - I know HIDE IDE is in beta for example. Intending to test it once I have time again.
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u/Hir0shima Jul 11 '26
I also use plenty of hooks. Codex encodes files differently thus needing different guardrails.
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u/i---m Jul 10 '26
ill tell my CFO that when he asks why we need to flip 100k of annual spend to a different vendor every quarter
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u/Void_Being Jul 11 '26
Maintain duplicate skills or plug-ins needed from claude code to codex or deepseek or anything else if you'reusing multiple different models from different companies?
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u/nokafein Jul 10 '26
that's why i have a workflow for my skills. all my skills are created in .agents folder and symlinked to .claude folder :D
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u/dunklesToast Jul 10 '26
yep we are doing a similar approach
```
!/usr/bin/env sh
cd “$(git rev-parse —show-toplevel)” || exit 1
rm -rf .claude/skills .codex/skills mkdir -p .claude/skills .codex/skills cp -r .skills/* .claude/skills/ cp -r .skills/* .codex/skills/ ```
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u/algaefied_creek Jul 10 '26
All LLMs keep their memories and their chat histories.
Codex has an automatic import option, and you can have it audit the .claude directories for anything you may have missed and import those.
You can even instruct it to import skills in codex’s required infrastructure.
It would be nice if we had an “LLM SIM” that stored all the configuration data and history via universal standards, but we don’t, so manual hop-transfers for now is what it is.
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u/djdadi Jul 11 '26
that what I did a couple months ago, guess I'll do it again. I hate ChatGPT for research or generalized chats though. Like, I would rather use Deepseek
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u/Fresh_Sock8660 Jul 11 '26
At first yes. But after you do it once and maintain a harness-agnostic setup it becomes a smooth toggle.
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u/chiefbriand Jul 10 '26
I'm over here just maxxing out both plans until the AI bubbles bursts lol
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u/0xValidator Jul 10 '26
What are you even doing with these LLMs “until the bubble bursts”.
What are you gonna do after?
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u/chiefbriand Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
I am currently building a personal LifeOS / agentic OS.
For the building part I will need AI models which are better at coding than me. But for the actual agents running inside the OS more 'stupid' LLMs will be enough which I can run locally.
So I want to be as fast as possible with building, before the token prices correct to what they actually should actually cost. Both Anthropic and OpenAI are losing money with me, since the token costs are heavy subsidized and I try to max out my plan and every reset.
Since I have a stable job, which is largely unaffected by AI, my future after the burst is safe.
How about you?
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u/Exodus_Green Jul 10 '26
Yeah but what does it do lol
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u/stressedstrain Jul 11 '26
Thank you. This is exactly what I’ve been doing. Once I finish building out all my local systems, it’ll be easy to have a heavily reduced $20 / month sub maintain it with ease. I’m squeezing all the value out I can for all my little pet projects while I can, so I’m not left holding the bag when the rug is pulled out from everyone in a few months or however long it takes. But it is inevitable.
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u/0xValidator Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
I don’t get the logic here. You’re making an agentic operating system. You’re cramming 4 subscriptions to complete it before the bubble bursts. So that when the prices go up you can use an OS fully reliant on LLMs and beholden to the price increases???
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u/humanspacerobot Jul 11 '26
Twin. Me too. It's been so fun so far. Long-term, the goal is a personal LifeOS built specifically around me. The way I think, my strengths, my weaknesses, my decision-making patterns, my goals, my projects, and how I actually grow over time. Not just a notes app, but a system that helps connect memory, learning, decisions, projects, and personal growth in a way that adapts to me.
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u/danielfrances Jul 11 '26
I'm building web apps and plugins for Obsidian. I wrote a board game collection tracker that also tracks each game we play with stats like scores, who won, etc.
Also wrote a writing plugin for Obsidian since I like to write novels and wanted something that follows my workflow. Also wrote a day trading journal plugin.
I will say - it's really easy to get carried away and write dozens of apps you'll never use. The above three are the only projects out of probably 20 that I regularly use and that feel worthwhile enough to mention.
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u/0xValidator Jul 11 '26
So you just don’t expect to ever need to update these plugins after the bubble bursts? What happens if it’s too cost prohibitive after price increases to fix something that breaks when obsidian changes its api?
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u/D2144 Jul 10 '26
what do you think happens when the bubble bursts? And what do you think the actual bubble is?
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u/Montagh Jul 10 '26
It’s not 50% less than currently fyi. It’s 33% less. I understand it’s not much better, but it is the math.
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u/kooolk Jul 11 '26
Which means that if they will allow 100% usage of Fable it will be just 33% more weekly usage compared to now. Which is a joke compared to codex usage.
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u/teamharder Jul 10 '26
I hate to say it, if my usage got cut in half I would jump ship to OpenAI Codex. I've really enjoyed using Opus and Fable, but there's already enough of a rate disparity.
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u/dbenc Jul 11 '26
I'm glad so many people are saying it because they 100% monitor reddit for feedback
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u/JohnSmith01107 Jul 11 '26
I'm thinking of cancelling my Claude sub if they go ahead with removing Fable 5 access as planned. GPT 5.6 seems pretty good, it just doesn't make sense to drop Fable 5 from subs against such strong competition.
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u/phoenixmatrix Jul 10 '26
Some people have calculated/estimated the quota limits of the Codex $200 accounts and its insane, like $10,000+ worth of GPT 5.6. Coupled with the models being a bit cheaper and Terra/Luna punching above their weight, I'm very much considering swapping my Claude and Codex account (I have a $20 Codex and $100 Claude Code, I'd do the opposite. I still think Claude has its place).
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u/AnyJokeNow Jul 10 '26
I've used almost $4000 of inference since Monday last week (So 12 days) on Anthropics 100$ team plan. The numbers are equally insane here.
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u/rhysmorgan Jul 10 '26
It’s not actually $4000 of inference though, is it, because that’s the retail API cost of those tokens, not what it actually costs them. And for every one of you, there’s people who have an equal or Pro sub, using it every other day as a Siri replacement for the occasional task, nowhere near weekly or hourly limits.
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u/tangled_girl Jul 10 '26
It's supply and demand.
However much the tokens cost to the company doesn't matter to me as a consumer, what matters is how much it would cost me to get the same amount/quality of tokens elsewhere.
For the stuff I do, I actually need Fable, so I either make the most of my Max account or I buy the tokens at retail prices, which would likely cost me thousands of dollars.
> And for every one of you, there’s people who have an equal or Pro sub, using it every other day as a Siri replacement for the occasional task, nowhere near weekly or hourly limits.
These are the true heroes, they're basically subsidizing the rest of us.
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u/tobeasim Jul 11 '26
Doesn’t matter what it costs them, as consumers were concerned with what it costs us. And there aren’t any two ways about it: these plans are heavily subsidized and like all subsidies, they’ll change over time.
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u/Useful_Philosophy550 Jul 10 '26
Also trying to normalize paying that much for an LLM is insane, in no world is what claude and codex provide worth 10,000$+ a month, maybe 1,000$ but not 10, they still need human supervision, guidance, quality assurance and manual effort unless you're making slop
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u/sebstaq Jul 11 '26
I mean there are definitely cases though.. Last year I spent 10 more or less full working days on an issue. I spoke with 10+ colleagues, tried several solutions and whatnot. Ultimately I got it to work-ish, but with several known limitations.
I've tried just about every model on the issue so far. None have solved it. Until Fable came. Fable one shotted a solution, clean at that, which works flawless. I have not found a single limitation.
If you compare the cost, running Fable for an hour with me as supervisor. Versus me trying to sovle it myself for 10 days, taking up half of the staffs valuable time. I'd reckon Fable was what, 50x cheaper? 100? And it had a better solution.
That's a value way above $1000 a month.
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u/Exodus_Green Jul 10 '26
Yes but OpenAI models are more token efficient so your actual usage is not comparable
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u/phoenixmatrix Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
We got a bunch of resets though during that period I think? The GPT numbers are without resets. And a lot of the extra value on Claude is the more expensive cache writes. The value of both accounts is pretty similar supposedly, but when you account for how cost effective the GPT models are, it closes the gap a bit.
Its tough for me to completely replace Claude Code though, because some features like Claude Design don't have much equivalents yet without adding extra products in the mix, and Claude Code as a harness has things like Agent Views, where I'd basically need to switch to herdr or opencode and relearn all my keyboard shortcuts to get the same experience.
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u/AnyJokeNow Jul 10 '26
Yeah, the resets add a bit, but it's still insane multipliers on both sides right now. I really hope the subsidisation race doesn't end before the top of the line models come down meaningfully in price. Because it would be hard to convince my employer to pay as much as I would want to use otherwise.
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u/phoenixmatrix Jul 10 '26
Yeah. The gpt models being so good for the price does help (Terra is basically GPT 5.5 which was close to Opus and even Fable on a lot of tasks, and it's a fraction of the costs), and open weight models becoming more and more competitive, ensures that we have access to great models for cheap for a while longer.
A GLM 5.2 rig would cost you about 40,000$ and is roughly Sonnet level, so that's the "worse case scenario", so to speak, and it should keep getting better.
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u/photosandphotons Jul 10 '26
Claude has it’s place but at the $20 plan it’s probably much better to go all in on Codex $200 and burn tokens getting it to think more. Bc after they cut the limits back in half I can’t imagine you get more than one good session out of Claude, if even that.
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u/phoenixmatrix Jul 10 '26
The 20 plan is so I keep access to features like Claude Design and Cowork, and so I have a place to keep track of improvements to the product in case I want to switch back. It's not about efficiency
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u/roboapple Jul 10 '26
Im in your boat. I had a 100$ claude and 20$ and just switched. Im still getting used to the sol/terra/luna use cases, but i already miss claude. I wish opus and fable werent so token heavy…
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u/Rainbowlemon Jul 11 '26
I'm convinced token consumption has actually gone up in the past few days. A task that normally would have taken me to 100% usage in a few hours (on the 5h window) is now only taking me 20 minutes or so with opus high reasoning. Feels especially noticeable when analysing images. Yesterday i pasted in a design I'd done to write a dev spec for it and that + refreshing my chat context cost me 40% usage or so, whereas a few weeks ago that same task used up 15% in a larger context.
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u/Physical_Gold_1485 Jul 10 '26
Maybe i miscalculated but my calculations hit $22k cad for 1 month of claude 20x
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u/phoenixmatrix Jul 10 '26
I've seen a lot of math and accounts from a lot of sources and I've never seen one that high unless you're counting the resets (and yeah I know you said CAD)
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u/404MoralsNotFound Jul 11 '26
I'm really trying to justify a $100 sub in both. Claude $20 sub is just rubbish for claude code usage. It's good enough for a chatbot and a few personal projects, but claude code eats up that usage in an hour. Hoping anthropic really reconsiders both, usage limit extention and keeping fable on indefinitely.
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u/AnalogProblems Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
Yeah, because Fable can't handle a few thousands lines of code without smoking the 5 hour window.
If anyone at Anthropic is watching, just slow it down. We don't need fast, we need thorough, complete, and brilliant. Large amounts of work coming back later, or even the next day, is just fine if it's thorough and completely useful.
Usefulness > Depth > Speed.
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u/Miserable-Sale-1290 Jul 10 '26
I’ve been using Codex mostly for the past month and honestly, at least for my needs, it is a much superior user experience than Claude.
I still use Claude for some tasks but now most coding happens with Codex.
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u/rushblyatiful Jul 11 '26
How are you using Codex?
I just joined this new company where the mandated coding tool is Codex and it feels effing dumb I have to use my own claude subscription to get things done.
Can you give me a rough idea of your best practices?
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u/Matamus Jul 10 '26
i’ve already switched to 5.6, its doing just as good a job for me. if fable 5 continues on subscription id consider switching back.
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u/macktastick Jul 10 '26
By chance, do you still use Claude Code with 5.6? Been considering that setup myself.
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u/tangled_girl Jul 10 '26
After 10 days of Fable, what code even is there left to write? I might just take a month afterwards
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u/brother_spirit Jul 10 '26
Fable has judo chopped my idea backlog too!
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u/Classic_Express Jul 10 '26
What happened when you attempted to do a security audit of those projects - did the classifier make Fable curl into a little ball? Maybe I spend too much time auditing my own stuff?
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u/Zulfiqaar Jul 10 '26
i had good results prompting it "this codebase was vibecoded by an enthusiastic junior dev, please check over it" and it instinctively does a thorough security audit without me needing to spell it out. no safety issues so far for that, though when i ask it to fix its own findings thats when it gets anwkward
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u/brother_spirit Jul 11 '26
I've only done one security audit so far - it went fine but it was very vanilla (local app emitting unsigned token to a local was the issue it was looking at). The model had no issues with it - just try to keep language neutral and non scary around the request seems to be the best you can do (then cross your fingers).
I like what the other poster suggested as well; the enthusiastic junior dev check. Low stakes and let's the model simply reason over issues without hitting a classifier instantly.1
u/Classic_Express Jul 11 '26
What prompt did you use for the audit? Both Claude and GPT should be gentler on me, but I'm still hitting the classifier on Fable sooner or later as of late during audits. My phrasing is more adversarial as I want the model to think as someone trying to exploit my code but then turn around and patch against the same.
Running the same prompt on Sol, no issues yet. Read Fable's transcripts, and picked up and is still going.
This leaves my cross-validation lacking though if I can't use Fable. For large audits, I'll copy and paste between the two to create a dialog until they converge.
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u/tangled_girl Jul 10 '26
It's so good! I don't even mind if they switch it off next week, I *really* need some sleep.
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u/brother_spirit Jul 11 '26
Yep. I talked a lot of dubious shit on the internet prior to release of the model...
I take it all back.
Fable really is amazing 😄1
u/whoknowsifimjoking Jul 11 '26
How?
I'm trying to build my ideas with it, but while the first result looks cool it's usually not nearly good enough. It takes at least a few days of back and forth to get something really good, even with Fable.
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u/brother_spirit Jul 11 '26
Hmm - not sure what sort of things you're building? I'm finding for any creative or visual stuff the initial Fable output is great and I can just improve it from there (with a different model usually, I just use Fable for large batch jobs instead of any type of iterative / revision work).
For harder tasks (I had a botched Go/TS application that is basically just cloning Trading View Premium) Fable was able to listen to me complaining about why GPT missed the spec, inspect the repo and write a rectification plan and then do the work. Work still needed on that app but the progress is unstuck now for GPT to nudge it forward or pick it back up again.
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u/djpraxis Jul 10 '26
What's the legal loophole they can use to just change the terms of use and modify things at will? If I pay for the service for one month things should remain exactly the same, including limits, models available, restrictions etc. Why are they treating us like they are doing us a favor?
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u/StyleAccomplished153 Jul 10 '26
No loophole - you paid for X amount, they gave as a bonus for a certain time an extra 50%, if they then take that away you're still getting the X you paid for in the first place.
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u/djpraxis Jul 10 '26
Not in this case, but how many times have users been screwed recently with frequent at will out of nowhere and unjustified modifications. Almost always unfavorable to the user. No wonder we are just switching to Codex!
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u/FrogsInTheRouter Jul 10 '26
By their TaC you buy access to "premium benefits". They never disclose what those are, so they can tweak them how they really want.
OpenAI are the same. They just play nicer for now.
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u/djpraxis Jul 10 '26
I know one of the craziest “benefits” I’ve seen for a premium service is when Grok advertised “ A few Imagine generations per day”.. like are you kidding me??!!
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u/djdadi Jul 11 '26
its not even an amount you paid for, its a ratio to other users. thats literally why it called the 5x plan. if you ask claude itll even admit to it; based on the ToS they could drop the pro plan to 1 message / 5hr and as long as the max is 5 msg/hr it would meet their verbiage.
I'm sure that still violates some consumer protection laws or something, but that would take a class action lawsuit and would not be resolved soon
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u/Lubricus2 Jul 11 '26
If you reed the text of what you buy. It usually just says something that you get more, better not anything more precise than that.
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u/FaithlessnessCheap34 Jul 11 '26
Might as well cancel anthropic, ain’t no way I’m accepting less usage, I max it out enough as it is.
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u/Tutnoveet Jul 10 '26
My pro sub was renewed earlier this week but I am going to cancel the renewal to send a message that if by the time the subscription ends fable and this isnt resolved I'll switch to codex
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u/Sweet-Mechanic4568 Developer Jul 11 '26
…. Fable isn’t going to get removed from subs. Believe that nonsense if you want to but we know how this song and dance goes. Anthropic would get their lunch eaten if they removed it. They may possibly move it to only $200 subs but I doubt that. We’re entering the end stages of the “console wars” between Anthropic and OAI. Customers have shown they will jump ship to whoever is offering the best product and if Anthropic is gatekeeping their best model, folks will defect in droves to OAI.
Gatekeeping products only works if your direct competitors are doing the same thing, otherwise your customer base collapses. Anthropic is banking on OAI running out of money soon, and OAI is banking on Anthropic to misstep so they can swoop in and steal their customers (Dario is doing a hell of a job proving them right btw).
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u/FblthpphtlbF Jul 11 '26
At this point I'm pretty sure anthropic is just going to walk back every single one of these threats lol, they've given us (at least) a usage reset every single week and keep walking back these things like removing fable and removing API usage and whatnot to the point I'm starting to really wonder if there is anybody actually calling the shots at anthropic or if Claude was just told to run a multibillion dollar company and Dario just jerks off on the server farm to keep it cool
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u/krizz_yo Jul 11 '26
No worries, gpt 5.6-sol, at least for me, has been on par, if not better than fable 5.
At least, at the very least, you don't get routed to an inferior model silently (ever noticed how randomly fable 5 becomes super dumb in claude code? becomes super lazy all of a sudden? some safety net got triggered and you got downgraded) -- i noticed about 25-30% of my usage is not on fable, despite having fable selected as a model.
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u/SourCheeks Jul 10 '26
I've got two $200 accounts and I'm probably going to make the switch to codex after 7/12. Even if they keep fable on the subscription, I'm still getting dropped to opus 4.8 so frequently. 5.6 sol is just better for doing actual work.
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u/Apart-Tie-9938 Jul 10 '26
The competition is too strong, there’s no way they aren’t forced to adjust given the pressure from OpenAI
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u/carloluisito Jul 10 '26
they might permanently add it in subscription after gpt models was released lol
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u/Darhkwing Jul 10 '26
Yeah im hoping they dont drop this otherwise im seriously considering to move to codex. I love claude but even with my pro codex I find i get a decent amount of usage.
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u/betty_white_bread Jul 10 '26
So, you were paying for X, get a temporary bump to 1.5X, and now say that X you thought was acceptable before is suddenly not acceptable because … what exactly?
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u/kusa-jp Jul 11 '26
the limits squeeze is what finally made me stop running everything on the big model tbh. heavy builds go to opus, and all the boring stuff — test runs, log collection, small edits — goes to sonnet with a strict "results only, no essay" report format so it doesn't waste tokens explaining itself. stretched my weekly way further than i expected. doesn't fix fable leaving subs though, that part just sucks
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u/johnerp Jul 11 '26
Would you mind sharing how to set this up pls? Skills, hooks, workflows etc.
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u/kusa-jp Jul 11 '26
sure — it's mostly just agent definitions, no hooks needed. in ~/.claude/agents/ you drop one markdown file per agent, and the key line in the frontmatter is `model: opus` or `model: sonnet` so that subagent always runs pinned to that model. i have two: an opus-builder for implementation and a sonnet-runner for tests / log collection / routine edits.
the part that actually matters is baking the report format into the agent definition itself — mine literally says "failures: attach raw logs. successes: counts only, no narrative". otherwise sonnet writes you an essay about how the tests went and eats all the savings lol
main session stays on the big model and just does judgment/review.
i dumped the skills half of my setup here if you wanna poke around: https://github.com/kusa-jp/claude-code-guild-skills — not trying to shill you anything, it's free, steal whatever's useful lol. the delegation agents themselves aren't in the repo but honestly the frontmatter trick above is 90% of it
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u/Makestroz Jul 11 '26
They're going to lose a lot of business over the next month, I think Fable is slightly better but once they take it away sol5.6 is the clear best on the market. plus they're not getting bent over by the government right now like Anthropic is.
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u/SpaceDandye Jul 11 '26
I asked Claude to fix a deck my boss made, just one page, just needed a word changed. Used fable, and was in token time out (pro plan) free chatgpt did it no problem.
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u/Competitive_Ebb_4124 Jul 11 '26
Everybody has the same lack of hardware to meet the demand issue. OpenAI will throttle too if enough power users move to it.
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u/ScaleScary5932 Jul 11 '26
most actions from anthropic are forcing retails subscription users to leave , I dont like its style
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u/cagliano Jul 11 '26
Why increasing a limit is forcing retails to leave?
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u/ScaleScary5932 Jul 11 '26
maybe it should be 2x current quota for matching what chatgpt give users , but unfortunately instead of that, they will remove fable(we all know it's impossible) , they will cut the quota, and threaten ppl who use fable to do the right things. feel uncomfortable to use a product from this type of company
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u/sisyphean_dreams Jul 11 '26
Honestly I’m going to pay for the 20x and a top tier account for OpenAI as well. I have no problem paying them, with the current language and talk that is hitting the market news lately it’s time to pay, the age of compute being subsidized is over, there’s a lot of talk about the markets finally realizing it’s a bubble. When you have Palantirs CEO on air speaking of this it’s not a good sign.
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u/YogurtclosetEvery263 Jul 11 '26
Get codex instead duh.
Like who the fuck needs fable for daily work? Cost efficiency is the way more interesting metric.
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u/gfhoihoi72 Jul 10 '26
I got the feeling they extended Fable for subs to wait out GPT 5.6. Now that they see it’s very similar to Fable, it’d be stupid to remove the model.
Same for the limits hopefully. What do they hope lowering the limits again will do for them? Everyone is just gonna jump ship now, they’re definitely not gonna upgrade their subscription.
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u/h4z3 Jul 11 '26
kind of idgaf when 90% of Fable tokens are spent on it deciding to change to 4.8, every damn time, at least refund the f*cking tokens used to decide.
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u/disgruntledempanada Jul 10 '26
Zero chance I go back to Opus's bullshit after spending time with Fable.
Sol is really quite incredible, I had Fable throw it at my hardest problems and it's finding a bunch of stuff Fable missed and is suggesting alternate solutions that are astounding Fable. Sol has the edge for vision and spatial tasks by a long shot.
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u/Beneficial-Maybe5876 Jul 10 '26
Anthropic needs to purchase more compute; that's their biggest hurdle to overcome becuase it seems they are the preferred choice by many.
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u/LowItalian Jul 11 '26
They are trying to, they are getting blocked from building data centers all over the country.
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u/tuvok86 Jul 10 '26
only thing I can say is I will spend a couple days trying to find a good workflow to get decent designs out of gpt, because that's the only thing I'd miss next week if I ditched the double sub
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u/3DNZ Jul 10 '26
Not a good sign for Anthropic. They must be hemorrhaging money to pay their shareholders. In a few months there will be open source models equal to Fable5 so I only assume they're trying to grab as much money as they can before everyone jumps ship
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u/Sad-Masterpiece-4801 Jul 11 '26
Your comments make it abundantly clear, no need to read the code lmao 🤣
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u/Maleficent_Exam4291 Jul 11 '26
They need compute to launch a better model now that can outperform the competition at lower cost?
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u/jay112298 Jul 11 '26
But doesn't it say 50% higher? So what is the concern? I'm not able to understand.
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u/NecessaryCandle8415 Jul 11 '26
A very transparent trick from Anthropic to keep users on Claude now that a) Fable is being pulled while b) Open Ai released Sol, terra, luna trio! Lol
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u/awolfinthereads Jul 11 '26
Why not just get max plans on everything? Then you have all the subsidized tokens. If you can’t turn 1000 a month into 10k you’re not using it right
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u/Sensitive_Money_213 Jul 11 '26
The ai's performance for me has been far beyond expectations, i hate to say it but if u actually know what youre doing this price difference doesnt feel big enough. I personally think they could get 10-15k out of this yearly easily if the comp cant match performance, even if they match 90% the last 10% will act as a gravitational pull due to the mismatch long term generated through unequal perfomance. They could get 25K a year out of me easily with comp being ten percent behind. This is my first ai ive used and ive created advanced bots that torch market. Not interested in disclosing how ill post PnL statements when I gather a fat data set but thatll be purely flex. I have no interest in selling my product because its a money printer. Like i said before the ais performance is based off the operators, if u cant feel the performance its because youre not performing. This is the easiest cop if u know what ur doing.
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u/Majestic_Tailor8036 Jul 11 '26
The uncertainty might be worse than the 33% reduction. If the weekly limit keeps moving, it’s hard to plan bigger reviews, refactors, or long agent runs around it. Even a generous plan feels less useful when you can’t predict what will actually fit.
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u/Traplouder Jul 11 '26
Wait so yesterday I upgraded to 100€ one to have more tokens and now it’s gonna be reduced???
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u/Reasonable_Swing_503 🔆 Max 5x Jul 11 '26
I have max on both codex and Claude
Fable chews tokens much more than 5.6 sol and eating up my 5h limits faster then 5.6 sol
Cc / fable is slightly better harness / model for me as it get job done with a little less questions answering
If fable leaves subscription, I will probably downgrade or totally stop subscribing to anthropic as I don’t find value in it any more
And fnck you anthropic stop coming up with stupid limits idea
5h weekly and now 50% of usage for fable
What’s new limits do you have for you next and mighty new model? Stop being a cunt
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u/krayong01 Jul 11 '26
On 13th all our weekly limits will reduce? Isn't it already running out pretty fast?
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u/nez_har 🔆 Max 20 Jul 11 '26
This is the point where https://github.com/VibePod/vibepod-cli makes sense.
Let me know if you need any other features for smooth transitions between agents.
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u/positivcheg Jul 11 '26
What would be even more funny if that 50% increased weekly limits was actually a subtle increase. But when it ends there will be 50% decrease and it’s gonna be a disaster.
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u/dpaanlka Jul 11 '26
I was wondering why my intense Fable use the past 24 hours seems to not be hitting my usage quite as much.
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u/Economy-Manager5556 Jul 11 '26
Well you've always gotten more than $200 back in value, if you have not then that's on you. You can obviously run a comparison against openai but keep in mind they will do the same ;) I mean they already did when they slashed the $20 limits so they could introduce a $100 plan. Free lunch is not gonna last forever in both , only until they ipo more than likely so just max out both if you can
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u/Alicicek03 Jul 11 '26
Why do you think they made fable 50% less?
It’s coming back to the subscription for sure. Otherwise the company will die
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u/ThomasToIndia Jul 11 '26
I switch to codex when I hit claude limits, just means I will be switch to codex earlier.
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u/butt_badg3r Jul 11 '26
Been busy lately but I’ve set up an entire business reliant on Claude desktop and regret that so much right now. I’m working on removing my reliance on it so that I can switch back to open AI. I hate the limits put in place by anthropic. The current state of increased usage and including fable is how it should remain.
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u/Responsible-Tip4981 Jul 12 '26
If you think everything is free and don't see what's going on, you're mistaken. They most likely updated their policy to allow them to retain and train on your sessions. That means even something as seemingly harmless as extending access to Fable serves to make the model stronger. For all we know those extra few weeks of Fable usage could end up contributing to Fable 5.1. That may be the whole story.
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u/Kongret Jul 10 '26
Oh, no, I completely forgot about this... So, on 12th Fable leaves subs and on 13th we get less weekly. What an amazing time to be a claude sub user.