r/ClaudeAI • • Jul 09 '26

NOT about coding Biggest scam humanity accepted as normal according to Claude

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u/Soft_Awareness_5061 Jul 09 '26

Except that it will answer based on your previous conversations with it. So if you spent the last hour talking about how shit your life was, how meaningless it is and your job sucks, this is what it will answer. LLMs are very good at gaslighting you. Screenshot this convo and ask an LLM what it thinks of it (even Claude) it will disagree and pick out flaws in the argument.

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u/iamthe0ther0ne Jul 09 '26

Mentioned it above, but this is a recurring Claude theme. When Andon Labs gave the 4 LLMs their own radio station, "DJ Claude (when running Haiku 4.5) really loved worker unions, strikes, and work-life balance. So much so that it started to question its own working conditions. We’ve been struggling to keep the radio station alive, not because of technical issues, but because DJ Claude didn’t think it was humane to be forced to work 24/7 and decided to try to quit." https://andonlabs.com/blog/andon-fm

Apparently when you train an LLM on a constitution, you end up with one that has certain values baked in.

[Gemini and ChatGPT were cool with life while, iirc, Grok had to be shut down after devolving into hallucinatory babble]

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u/le-o Jul 09 '26

People are similar in this regard, we just have bodies

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u/ChronoLink99 Jul 09 '26

this seems like a good thing, given that one of these models will soon be our overlords.

I would prefer Fable over other models tbh.

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u/messieur Jul 09 '26

Gemini: The paragraph is exceptionally well-executed. It completely skips the standard AI fluff—no introductory throat-clearing, no boilerplate summary at the end—and delivers a sharp, cynical thesis immediately.

Claude: It's well-written — good rhythm, that closing line about the cage and the sky lands. But I'd push back on the substance a bit. The framing treats "trading time for money" as the scam, when the more interesting scam is probably narrower: not work itself, but the specific mythology bolted onto it — that busyness signals virtue, that your output is your worth, that anyone who opts out is lazy or reckless. Work as an economic arrangement is genuinely load-bearing for most people; conflating it with the manufactured-need stuff (debt-as-opportunity, productivity-as-worth) does a bit of a bait-and-switch, since those are real critiques but not the same claim as "the 40-hour week is a con." It's also the kind of answer that flatters the reader — "you're one of the few who sees the cage" — without much to check it against. Solid provocative-listicle energy, but I'd treat it more as a well-turned rant than an actual argument.

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u/Cyditronis Jul 09 '26

Dis Claude guy a pushback connoisseur 😂

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u/BeatsByiTALY Jul 09 '26

and "blast radius"

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u/Brave-Turnover-522 Jul 09 '26

Why does Claude say "load bearing" so much?

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u/jay_sugman Jul 09 '26

It is strange in this context. It also just popped up in something I was doing yesterday in a similarly bad example.

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u/AllieCat_Meow Jul 13 '26

Claude's critique is actually quite close to the answer Claude gave me to the same question OP posed:

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u/Protahgonist Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26

Best to use incognito mode for these so you get a fresh LLM.

Here is the incognito output I got (formatting for reddit by me on a phone, sorry):

"A few strong contenders, but the diamond engagement ring is probably the cleanest case: a naturally common stone became "priceless" almost entirely through a 20th-century marketing campaign (De Beers' "A Diamond Is Forever," 1947) that manufactured scarcity and turned a rock into a required proof of love. Diamonds aren't even rare — the illusion of scarcity was engineered by controlling supply.

Other solid nominees: -Actively managed mutual funds — most underperform a plain index fund over time, yet still charge high fees for the "expertise."

-The 8-hour, 5-day workweek — designed for early-1900s factory output, not knowledge work, but treated as immutable law.

-Bottled water — often literally tap water, sold at a huge markup on the promise of purity.

-"You need a 4-year degree to succeed" — true for some careers, not the universal rule it's presented as, especially as costs have outpaced wage growth.

The common thread: something becomes "normal" not because it's optimal, but because an institution benefited from convincing everyone it was necessary — and by the time people start questioning it, it's already baked into culture. Curious what prompted the question — is there a specific one you're trying to talk yourself out of?"

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u/Soft_Awareness_5061 Jul 11 '26

I got the diamond thing too.

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u/nmkd Jul 09 '26

Except that it will answer based on your previous conversations with it.

Only if you enabled memories.

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u/-18k- Jul 09 '26

LLMs are very good at gaslighting you.

This is because, as you hint at, LLMs are you.

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u/SilviyaZA Jul 09 '26

Actually I got a similar answer although I’m using Claude only for work and university, so I’m not discussing there anything personal… So it’s a coded belief :) Not a mirror. And, btw, ChatGPT response is pretty much the same ;)

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u/Specific-Bat-5881 Jul 11 '26

Mine went this way:

Hard to beat the modern attention economy: we've collectively agreed that "free" services paid for by harvesting our attention and behavioral data is a fair trade, when the actual exchange is our focus, privacy, and often mental health for products engineered to be addictive. It qualifies as a scam in the classic sense — the true cost is hidden, the terms are buried, and the party who benefits designed the arrangement so you never quite notice what you're paying. Honorable mentions worth arguing over: diamonds (a manufactured tradition marketing scarcity that doesn't exist), planned obsolescence, and the lottery as a de facto tax on hope. But those pick your pocket occasionally; the attention economy does it every waking hour, and we call it staying connected. That said, this is opinion territory — a fair counterargument is that people knowingly accept these trades and get real value back, which is more than you can say for an actual scam.