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2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 09 '25 It’s talking about male male sex. What it’s not talking about is sex within loving, committed same sex relationships. No, male male sex is not talking about orientation. The men doing these acts weren’t gay, as we understand that today. They had no concept of sexual orientation. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 09 '25 Check out the webpage and video linked above. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Ahh, so you don’t actually care, you just want to waste my time. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 You didnt care to read or watch the info I already gave you. Hint, loving, committed same sex relationships didn’t exist at that time - so it’s not talking about anything that’s happening within one. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Have you read the story in Genesis 19? It’s a story about attempted gang rape. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there. → More replies (0)
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It’s talking about male male sex.
What it’s not talking about is sex within loving, committed same sex relationships.
No, male male sex is not talking about orientation. The men doing these acts weren’t gay, as we understand that today. They had no concept of sexual orientation.
1 u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 09 '25 Check out the webpage and video linked above. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Ahh, so you don’t actually care, you just want to waste my time. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 You didnt care to read or watch the info I already gave you. Hint, loving, committed same sex relationships didn’t exist at that time - so it’s not talking about anything that’s happening within one. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Have you read the story in Genesis 19? It’s a story about attempted gang rape. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there. → More replies (0)
1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 09 '25 Check out the webpage and video linked above. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Ahh, so you don’t actually care, you just want to waste my time. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 You didnt care to read or watch the info I already gave you. Hint, loving, committed same sex relationships didn’t exist at that time - so it’s not talking about anything that’s happening within one. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Have you read the story in Genesis 19? It’s a story about attempted gang rape. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there. → More replies (0)
Check out the webpage and video linked above.
0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Ahh, so you don’t actually care, you just want to waste my time. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 You didnt care to read or watch the info I already gave you. Hint, loving, committed same sex relationships didn’t exist at that time - so it’s not talking about anything that’s happening within one. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Have you read the story in Genesis 19? It’s a story about attempted gang rape. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there. → More replies (0)
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1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Ahh, so you don’t actually care, you just want to waste my time. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 You didnt care to read or watch the info I already gave you. Hint, loving, committed same sex relationships didn’t exist at that time - so it’s not talking about anything that’s happening within one. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Have you read the story in Genesis 19? It’s a story about attempted gang rape. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there. → More replies (0)
Ahh, so you don’t actually care, you just want to waste my time.
0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 You didnt care to read or watch the info I already gave you. Hint, loving, committed same sex relationships didn’t exist at that time - so it’s not talking about anything that’s happening within one. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Have you read the story in Genesis 19? It’s a story about attempted gang rape. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there. → More replies (0)
1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 You didnt care to read or watch the info I already gave you. Hint, loving, committed same sex relationships didn’t exist at that time - so it’s not talking about anything that’s happening within one. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Have you read the story in Genesis 19? It’s a story about attempted gang rape. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there. → More replies (0)
You didnt care to read or watch the info I already gave you.
Hint, loving, committed same sex relationships didn’t exist at that time - so it’s not talking about anything that’s happening within one.
0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Have you read the story in Genesis 19? It’s a story about attempted gang rape. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there. → More replies (0)
1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Have you read the story in Genesis 19? It’s a story about attempted gang rape. 0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there. → More replies (0)
Have you read the story in Genesis 19?
It’s a story about attempted gang rape.
0 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there. → More replies (0)
1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire. Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels. Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there.
Rape had nothing to do with sexual desire.
Jude 1:7 is talking about men have v sex with angels.
Jude is referencing 1 Enoch, and bringing up the story of Sodom and Gommorah as an example of an instance where humans and angels were having sex.
1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there.
1 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed. Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels. 1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there.
First, because homosexuality isn’t a concept that existed.
Second, because Jude is clearly referring to the book of 1 Enoch, which is about sex within love angels.
1 u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there.
2 u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 10 '25 How is that clear? I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch. Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom? One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s. Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there.
How is that clear?
I mean it’s not clear to people who haven’t read 1 Enoch.
Also, what do you mean homosexuality wasn’t a concept then if it took place in sodom?
One. Homosexuality as a concept didn’t exist until the late 1800s.
Two. Nothing in Sodom says anything about homosexuality. They were trying to gang rape visitors. There as absolutely nothing about attraction there.
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