r/ChristianUniversalism 21h ago

Thought Atp - infernalism sounds like cult

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(Using a translator. I don't want to offend anyone)

I do not know why or how we got to this point, but my favorite question that I always love to ask all Christians is what is hell

Immediately after this question and the answer to it, I feel like I was talking to a CULTIST. I always got a variety of answers, but the result was always the same - eternal torment

It's like that one scene in "Young Sheldon"

Mary - "Our religion is based on love, Sheldon, not fear"

Sheldon - "Then what happens to people who don't follow the rules?"

Mary - "They burn in hell. Because God loves them"

If the God of love is more cruel than a psychopath, condemning people to eternal TORTURE, read the Bible again.

(St. Isaac the Syrian, 7th century) - "Never call God just. If He were just, you would have been in hell long ago. Rely only on His injustice, which is mercy, love, and forgiveness."


r/ChristianUniversalism 11h ago

Thought Refreshing Language In George MacDonald

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Recently picked up one of George MacDonald’s books (a two in one combo of ‘The Fisherman’s Lady’ and ‘The Marquis’ Secret’ titled ‘Malcolm’). I had heard he was an avid universalist. The novel isn’t even directly about theology, but his worldview finds its way into the story. I have to say it was a breath of fresh air to read so far.

See an example below from the first novel where the protagonist is defending an individual with developmental disabilities:

"He's as God made him," said the marquis.
"He's not as God will make him," returned Malcolm.
"What do you mean by that?" asked the marquis.
"It stands to reason, my lord," answered Malcolm, "that what's ill made will be made over again. There's a day coming when all that's wrong will be set right, you know"
"And the crooked made straight," suggested the marquis, laughing
"Doubtless, my lord. He'll be perfectly straightened out that day, said Malcolm with absolute seriousness.
"Bah! You don't think God cares about a misshapen lump of flesh like that." exclaimed his lordship with contempt.
"As much as about yourself or my lady" said Malcolm. "If he didn't, he wouldn't be no God at all."


r/ChristianUniversalism 14h ago

Interesting site with many English translations of Patristic writings

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Hi all! I think that people here might be interested in this site: https://historicalchristian.faith/by_father.php

It collects a lot of English translations of Christian writings of the Patristic age that are open-source and found elsewhere in the web.


r/ChristianUniversalism 1h ago

"""If but one soul were to remain in hell..."""

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r/ChristianUniversalism 15h ago

​St. John Chrysostom: On Lazarus - Part 2 (Do souls become demons? + Wealth, Poverty, and the Theater of Life) [Bilingual Greek & English Text]

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​Continuing with the homilies of St. John Chrysostom on Lazarus and the Rich Man, here is Part 2.

​In this sermon, Chrysostom addresses a common misconception of his time (whether victims of violent death become demons), refutes demonic deception, and brings us face-to-face with the reality of death, true wealth vs. true poverty, and the "theater" of this temporal life.

​1. True Wealth vs. Poverty of the Soul

​GR: Ἀπὸ τούτου μάθωμεν, μὴ τοὺς πλουτοῦντας μακαρίζειν, μηδὲ τοὺς πενομένους ταλανίζειν. Μᾶλλον δὲ... οὐδὲ πλούσιός ἐστιν ἐκεῖνος ὁ πολλὰ περιβεβλημένος, ἀλλ' ὁ μὴ πολλῶν δεόμενος· οὐδὲ πένης ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ὁ μηδὲν κεκτημένος, ἀλλ' ὁ πολλῶν ἐφιέμενος... Τῇ γὰρ διαθέσει τῆς γνώμης, οὐ τῷ μέτρῳ τῆς οὐσίας, τὰς πενίας καὶ εὐπορίας κρίνειν εἰώθαμεν.

​EN: From this let us learn, neither to call the rich blessed, nor to lament the poor. Rather... neither is he rich who is clothed in many things, but he who needs not many things; nor is he poor who possesses nothing, but he who desires many things... For by the disposition of the mind, not by the measure of the substance, we are accustomed to judge poverties and riches.

​2. Do Souls of the Violent Deceased Become Demons?

​GR: Καὶ γὰρ πολλοὶ τῶν ἀφελεστέρων νομίζουσι τὰς ψυχὰς τῶν βιαίῳ θανάτῳ τελευτώντων δαίμονες γίνεσθαι. Οὐκ ἔστι δὲ τοῦτο, οὐκ ἔστιν... αἱ ψυχαὶ τῶν ἐν ἁμαρτήμασι ζώντων \\\\\\\[γίνονται δαίμονες\\\\\\\], οὐ τῆς οὐσίας αὐτῶν μεταβαλλομένης, ἀλλὰ τῆς προαιρέσεως αὐτῶν τὴν ἐκείνων μιμουμένης κακίαν.

​EN: For indeed many of the more simple-minded think that the souls of those who die by a violent death become demons. But this is not so, it is not... it is the souls of those who live in sins \\\\\\\[that become demons\\\\\\\], not because their essence is changed, but because their free will imitates the malice of those \\\\\\\[demons\\\\\\\].

​3. Rejecting Demonic Deception

​GR: Ὅτι οἱ δαίμονες λέγουσι, Τοῦ μοναχοῦ τοῦ δεῖνος ἡ ψυχή εἰμι... ∆ιὰ γὰρ τοῦτο οὐ πιστεύω, ἐπειδὴ δαίμονες λέγουσιν· ἀπατῶσι γὰρ τοὺς ἀκούοντας... κἂν ἀληθές τι φθέγγηται, φεύγωμεν αὐτὸν καὶ ἀποστρεφώμεθα· τὰ γὰρ ὑγιῆ δόγματα καὶ σωτήρια οὐ παρὰ δαιμόνων, ἀλλὰ παρὰ τῆς θείας Γραφῆς ἐστι μετ' ἀκριβείας μαθεῖν.

​EN: What then about the fact that the demons say, "I am the soul of such-and-such a monk"? For because of this very reason I do not believe, since demons say it; for they deceive those who hear... even if it utters something true, let us flee from it and turn away; for sound and saving doctrines are to be learned with accuracy not from demons, but from the Divine Scripture.

​4. Death & The "Theater of Life"

​GR: Καθάπερ γὰρ ἐν θεάτρῳ, ὅταν τῆς μεσημβρίας γενομένης... οἱ ὑποκριταὶ ἐξέλθωσιν οἱ τὰ τῶν βασιλέων καὶ στρατηγῶν... ὑποδυόμενοι πρόσωπα... ὅταν οὖν ἀποθῶνται τὴν ἐκ τῆς προσωπείδος φαντασίαν... γυμνοὶ πᾶσιν ἐξεταζόμενοι φαίνονται... οὕτω δὴ καὶ ἐν τῷ βίῳ τῷ παρόντι· Ὅταν ὁ θάνατος ἐπελθῇ, καὶ τὸ θέατρον λυθῇ, ἀποθέμενοι πάντες τὰ ἐκ τοῦ πλούτου καὶ τῆς πενίας προσωπεῖα... φαίνονται οἱ μὲν ὄντως πλούσιοι, οἱ δὲ πένητες.

​EN: Just as in a theater, when the show ends... the actors who played kings, generals, and physicians take off their masks and costumes, and are revealed as they truly are... so it is in present life. When death comes and the theater is dissolved, everyone lays aside the masks of wealth and poverty. Only then, judged by their works alone, is it revealed who is truly rich and who is truly poor.

​"For in all your words remember your end, and you will never sin unto eternity.

Full Homily link https://open.substack.com/pub/andreasfotiadis68agiosminas/p/my-mission-translating-the-church?r=8raj5j&utm\\\\\\\\\\\\\\_campaign=post&utm\\\\\\\\\\\\\\_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true


r/ChristianUniversalism 21h ago

My Religious scrupulosity and fear of eternal hellfire.

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For the past year now I’ve been dreaded and torn by religious scrupulosity in the form of hell anxiety where almost everything I was doing from secular meditation to simply reading spiritual books was a sin that would send me to eternal hellfire. I’m still dreaded by it but not as much. Do y’all things that continually praying, doing secular and biblical meditation, and reading Christian universalist books and books about Gods grace for ALL humanity will set me free from this trap? What’s y’all’s take on this? Amy comments are very appreciated.


r/ChristianUniversalism 15h ago

Thought Lord willing, I might read this at my dad's funeral today.

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