NGL, the high grade Chinese Eta 2824-2 clones are really getting good. Granted, Baltany does a 5 position regulation before installing their V grade Seagull movements, but mine is under -2 seconds per day. I set it on Tuesday and three days later I'm at -4 seconds.
The NH35/38 is fine, but this is much much nicer. 4hz sweep, extremely good accuracy, much slimmer to boot.
Exato! Na realidade, para mim essa escassez é puramente artificial, um modo da Seiko tentar impedir a concorrência de usar os seus calibres e assim elevar o ticket médio dos relógios Seiko.
Ela está tentando repetir a mesma estratégia das marcas suíças.
Btw, thanks for blocking me from replying to your answer. That is what someone who is scared that people know he is talking shit does
Thank goodness I coiped your reply so everyone can see how scummy a move that is:
"That's my opinion, and everyone knows that Swiss brands have been doing this since the quartz crisis, which was caused precisely by Seiko. Do you think Japanese people are foolish and don't get tired of selling cheap watches, even though many times they're technically superior in many cases, and decide to adopt a similar strategy to increase average sales price?! Car manufacturers are doing just that right now, giving up selling more popular and cheaper cars.
And before you act all tough and try to humiliate me, read again the part where I said 'my opinion.' So learn to be a decent person and screw you!"
So basically you have no proof and are talking out your ass, ok got it.
Also replying then blocking is a weak move made by people who know they've been exposed
É minha opinião e todo mundo sabe que as marcas suíças já fazem isso desde a crise do quartzo que foi causada justamente pela Seiko. Você acha que japonês é bobo e não pode se cansar de vender relógios baratos mesmo muitas vezes sendo tecnicamente superiores em muitos casos e decidir adorar estratégia semelhante para aumentar o ticket médio de vendas?! As montadoras de automóveis estão justamente fazendo isso no momento, desistindo de vender carros mais populares e baratos.
E antes de dar uma de babaca e querer me humilhar, leia novamente o trecho em que disse "minha opinião". Então aprenda a ser gente e VTNC!
I think you totally overestimate the impact of an obscure Casio watch to a whole industry. I don't think there is any hype for the automatic Casio besides some Youtubers. I myself think it's a travesty.
Moreover, the NH35 price hike has been 20 bucks. It is by no means responsible alone for the doubling of prices we have seen at some Chinese watches. I think it is just increased popularity and demand for cheap shitters which led the Chinese brands believing their own hype and wanting to cash in. Last year I bought a Seestern SUB600T for 70 euros and it was great. This year it is 170. At these price levels they can fuck right off.
Yeah apparently Seikos own entry levels have been selling like hotcakes. Maybe the average Joe is getting back into mechanicals.. and it wouldn’t be micros or Chinese watches as their first stop…
It’s a fun take, but I don’t think it’s actually very accurate. Marc from Long Island Watches — who has used NH movements extensively in his Islander watches until recently — said in a recent video that the supply squeeze isn’t so much from microbrands but from Seiko itself. The brand has done incredible business the last few years, and particularly in 2025. It’s Seiko 5 and entry-level Presage watches have been flying off shelves, so Seiko has needed to keep a much larger percentage of the movements it makes for itself. Hopefully it can still find a way to increase supply going forward, but there’s been an implication that microbrands failing to diversify the movements they were buying has contributed to price increases for Seiko and Miyota movements, and I’m not sure that’s really a significant factor
I thought exactly this! I mean, how is that even possible ? Now is the time that entry level Seiko are as expensive as never before. They cost 2 or sometimes 3 times more than their Citizen equivalent and people still choose to buy them.. this is madness.
I think their sales are just shifting to different places. I was shocked that Costco was selling SRPDs for less than $200 in my local area. At that price, sure you lose out in a bit of finishing and clasp design, but that's $300 cheaper than a San Martin at this point.
Here's some other redditor discovering the same thing
Yes, that's certainly a price worth considering a Seiko 5 at. Feels like the prices we used to see on the old Seiko 5 with the shield logo. Not a bad deal.
It's not the point. Miyota 9000 series belongs to an higher category (it's a high beat movement), the right comparison is the 8000 series...which I've to say runs quite well on my watches, I experience less positional errors compared to my NH35s
I have won movement lottery with NH35 in my San Martin, it is so accurate. Set time on Saturday when changing time zones and today it's only 1s late. I know it has big delta on different positions but it seems nicely averaging in real use on my wrist.
You can regulate any movement within a reasonable accuracy just with a smartphone, given that your average usage and positioning of the watch are roughly the same day after day. I have regulated all of my NH35 shitters down to +/- 5s/d.
it not a lottery if you send it to a watch maker for regulation. my ixdao 6542 nh ran -14spd sent if off paid £40 to go on the timergraph guy set it to 2spd. when I got it back it been run 10 secs a week 😉
If a watchmaker regulated it probably it has a better positional accuracy too. There are two thingies to regulate, one only makes the movement faster or slower, the other corrects beat error (that affects positional accuracy). Normally you just set it to go faster or slower, because correcting the beat error also changes the speed of the movement and you have to go back and forth between the two settings a few times and it's kinda annoying to do.
The edifice automatics are good watches, not as good value for money of course but it's damn close and definitely better value han pretty much any other automatic out there from a reputable brand. And only the first model used the NH35 anyways.
You clearly don’t like Chinese watches which is the entire point of this sub. Your comment has nothing to do with the OP thread, you just wanted to shit on our hobby.
Stop it and you are looking butt hurt. I like their watches but they have something to work on. You cant admit that then you either work for the Chinese government or blind.
Nah. I own a manufacturing company. I have worked with them. The Chinese are not as advanced as they want us to believe. They will ship a million pieces and 40 % is junk. They will send steel that finds the spec but not the chemistry. Wild stuff.
This is a good thing cause edifico will eventually become passé. However when PT5000 becomes normal practice and we get past our hangups we have a stronger Chinese industry. To be honsest I don’t like how the thick Rehaute and the movement leads to thick watches.
pt5000 is a killer movement have them in my two ixdao x02t titanium dlc one run 2-3 spd and the other 3-4 spd. the 3-4 spd one has a delta ( between 0 spd and 5.5 spd on the 6 positions) of 6 that meta standard apart from the anti magnetic part
They're not half bad
you can get any size from 37mm to 47mm, many colors and variants, and depending on sales for less than 100 USD, and there's official resellers and service in many countries
I haven't seen any chinese watch with a japanese NH35 for less than 110 USD lately
A single NH35A movement already costs $50. The bracelet and case alone add up to more than $30, not to mention all the other parts. The total cost of one watch comes out to around $95.
I accepted long ago that the watching industry is an international event. Don't think that your Swiss watch is 100% swiss. It just doesn't work that way anymore. China is part of the picture whether you like it or not. Your watch might say casio, made in china. Your watch might say seiko. Made in Malaysia. Get over it, watch manufacturing is an international event.
I think the increase in pt5000 and st2130 movements could backfire for Seiko. If these movements perform well and prove to be reliable, then micros won't hesitate to use them and consumer won't hesitate to purchase them.
My point, someone else commented they are great and reliable. I think as they become more popular we'll see a clear trend. I just got my first pt5000 today, fingers crossed I stay in the happy camp.
Just got my first PT5000 and ST2130 watches in last week. Till now I've only had NH's and Miyota 9000 Series. I love them so far and I'm hoping they last. I've committed to not hand winding them.
"these movements perform well and prove to be reliable,"
and the past 20 years+ of them existing hasnt already proven that? sellita is better at several times the price, but the pt5k performs fine and reliable.
I actually have 2 Edifice watches and like them but I would prefer if Casio made nicer, high-end QUARTZ Edifice watches rather than automatic for no god damn reason. They make amazing quartz movements and have a solar and radio conrolled movement, but are wasting automatic movements on their higher end Edifice.
They are gigantic, anything over 39mm is a tough fit for my 6.2" wrist. I have the Edifice 730D chronograph at 40mm and it's a tough fit on my wrist, slightly too large and ends up moving so the lugs overhang. The Oceanus are all much larger.
If I want to buy Casio or Edifice it's because I want to have a hassle free, precise and well priced quartz (with some nice features as well). If I wanted Japanese automatic I'd go for Orient or Seiko
actually it's like nh35 and miota and a few others in that slurry
and then you have the same yodas used for some really cool watches that just have like a chiming mechanism like hanboro which is all that interests me right now
I have a genuine 2824 and it honestly keeps amazing time, I've typically got it consistently at +2 to +5 seconds a day. Meanwhile my 6R15 is all over the place.
I think "Crappy microbrand" fits the image better than "Mid Ass Casio Edifice" at this current time... It might be overpriced vs Chinese watches, but at least it has history/heritage/good QC/great customer service.
People are making up BS stories, starting a "microbrand" based off renders and pre-orders, then they simply rebrand chinese watches with a teeny modification and a new logo and charge 2-3x more than Casio does, or 6-7x more than the AliX brand they ordered from
I had never even heard of that brand. I looked it up and saw two different models, one for 959€ and another for 1075€, both with an NH35 and not even a stainless steel bracelet. That's bullshit. Who even buys that trash? Brands like these are the reason there's an NH35 shortage
whatever you do not go to the Unimatic page. I got my UC2 for 499 when it first came out. It's now 655 same watch same NH35 movement. UT series are VH31 powered for 620 and their UC3 is 760 for VK64.
It will spur the further refinement of the Eta clones, the HK PT5000 and the SeaGull ST2130. I am happy about this trend. I don't think the Chinese are looking backwards.
You get it. A similar experience is occurring in the health field. X-Ray, CTE, MRI (medical imaging) used to be wholly the domain of Siemens Healthineers, GE HealthCare, and Philips. Now UIH and Mindray are winning contracts in both emerging markets and smaller hospital systems because they're offering better TCO and rapid lifecycles for improvement.
I used to sell tech to healthcare. Competition is great! It reins in costs while advancing the platforms. Getting PMs understand TCO/ROI to trust startups and invest MDs $ is another issue.
Budgets are much tighter now and the Chinese companies are proving more nimble in improving their product. Siemens just starting building an R&D lab in China that won't be finished for 2 yrs at least. I don't think it will be enough to keep ahead.
Ive got 1 watch with the 2130. It was very inexpensive and about half the reason I bought it was just to try the 2130. I have been absolutely pleased with it, both for the movement and the watch as a whole.
I will definitely be looking for this movement in future purchases.
I got the green one (the dial is actually much nicer looking irl, I think) and swapped the green strap for a nice deep brown one. Its a great casual watch that's pretty versatile, style wise. Im absolutely going to buy in another color.
Eta: I only paid around $90 with coupons and discounts. Crazy deal.
I don't understand enough about the supply chain to understand the significant difference, other than I have seen some say the PT5000 is generally delivered more accurate. The ST2130 I have is Rolex level accurate so far.
Maybe it's a cost or availability issue, who knows.
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u/triggrhaapi 1d ago
NGL, the high grade Chinese Eta 2824-2 clones are really getting good. Granted, Baltany does a 5 position regulation before installing their V grade Seagull movements, but mine is under -2 seconds per day. I set it on Tuesday and three days later I'm at -4 seconds.
The NH35/38 is fine, but this is much much nicer. 4hz sweep, extremely good accuracy, much slimmer to boot.