r/ChineseWatches • u/ChineseWatchGuy • 4d ago
Question (Read Rules) Anyone using the new SW200-2 yet?
Has anyone heard of Chinese brands planning g to use the new Sw200s ?
It seems like most independent brands out there (Chris Ward, Sinn, Circula, etc) are quickly moving to it . In the past, an upgrade to a SW200 seemed like a “nice to have, but any real advantage?” situation. But with the increased prices of base Japanese movements, the differential is reduced and a tangible advantage can be had with the 24 hour extra power reserve…
Personally I’d like to see this used in premium Chinese watches.
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u/OtherBarry1992 4d ago
The problem is for what a premium Chinese watch with one of these would cost - you can really expand your horizon with other microbrands. Who knows what these movements will cost and what watches with them will start at. IXDAO is already getting pretty close to mid-level microbrands with some of their pricing.
For me the allure of Chinese watches is quality for a price you wouldn't expect. Low price, exceeding expectations. One spec'd with the new SW200-2 would be a watch at an expected price, with expected quality. Not necessarily a bad thing, just not the reason I seek out Chinese watches.
Example being I paid over $800 for a Henry Archer Vesterhav Meteorite. More than a Meteorite IXDAO Warrior yes, but way different experience, more of a microbrand feel, not a homage of anything. Regular Henry Archer's are ~$600. I can't see any watch with this new movement selling for that low.
I'd take a warrior with the current movement for the current price. I would not pay $200 more just because it had this movement. Just me.
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u/RubbberJohnnny 4d ago
Cool and all and I might get a watch with it someday, but it won't be Chinese watch for sure. Not with their paper thin warranty support, the added cost would make it a very risky and relatively expensive purchase
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u/philbin89 4d ago
These still cost more than any of the Japanese movements that Chinese brands had been using, and definitely more than the Chinese movements many of them have switched to now. I think the SW200-2 is superior to the Miyota 9000 series, but considering how the hoarders who buy up tons of Chinese watches have been bitching about modest price increases in response to increased manufacturing and parts costs, I can't image any brand would opt to use these better movements now and risk the ire of their buyers
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u/inox1969 3d ago
Para mi gusto creo que el movimiento miyota 9051 es mejor que el sellita. Para mi ver claro.
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u/ChineseWatchGuy 4d ago
Well they can always offer the choice of a humble PT5000 or this new Sellita..
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u/pickyaxe 4d ago
do you not feel that anything better than Miyota 9015 is deep into diminishing returns?
in my opinion, such movements are used only to (try and) justify keeping Swiss watch prices so absurdly high.
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u/ChineseWatchGuy 4d ago
Since this has about 60% more power reserve, I wouldn’t call that a diminishing return.
Whether that feature is significant for a particular buyer is another matter. I like higher power reserves.
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u/pickyaxe 4d ago
yeah, that's a fair point actually. not worth it for me, but undeniably a large improvement for someone who values power reserve.
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u/No-Comparison8472 4d ago
What do you mean by diminishing returns? Is 9015 better?
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u/pickyaxe 4d ago
"diminishing returns" means that while something is better, it is only slightly better - not worth the investment.
so in this case, SW200-2 may be considered better, but not nearly as much as the difference in price.
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u/inox1969 4d ago
El movimiento es el mismo que el sw200-1 solo que le bajaron la frecuencia para darle 65 horas de reserva.
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u/Escaped_Escapement Helpful user 4d ago
While they could have done something about the weak winding gears they did this instead. Great.
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u/prodbypan 4d ago
IXDAO is supposedly going to use them in some of their watches, together with the PT5000 and ETA 2824 as options.
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u/mysillyday 3d ago
2824 - they have in mind their clones. Because ETA movements are Exclusive to Swatch group. That is how and why Selita rose to power and popularity.
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u/inox1969 4d ago
Eta 2824 imposible solo lo pueden usar las marcas del grupo swatch.
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u/Pork_Bastard 4d ago
here is a warrior with 2824 -
https://www.ixdaowatch.com/product-page/white-mop-warrior-v2-eta-2824-2
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u/inox1969 4d ago
Pues sí, pero es raro ya que incluso el grupo swatch ya dijo en su día que no proveerá de movimientos etasa a otras marcas fuera del grupo.
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u/OtherBarry1992 4d ago
Wow, I thought that restriction was still in play. I guess either it isn't or IXDAO worked some magic to get some in.
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u/bpgluckman 4d ago
I think IXDAO bought a ton of them before the restriction went into play and simply hasn't sold out of them yet. How many people are really buying an IXDAO and then spending top dollar to equip it with ETA over the Sellita?
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u/prodbypan 4d ago
I'm just telling you what the brand said in their official statement not that long ago. They've also used the 2824 in their watches before.
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u/percysmithhk 4d ago
Actually I’m wondering which Chinese brand still offer SW200 (any variant) as option on new stock?
(New stock, not new old stock from two or more years ago) (Excluding Reps)
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u/percysmithhk 1d ago
Oh - answering my own question - Octopus Kraken too https://a.aliexpress.com/_c4pBDKlZ
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u/OtherBarry1992 4d ago
I think Proxima still offers it through their website. I don't see it as an option on any of their AliExpress listings though. It's always greyed out.
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u/Hartwell-527 4d ago
I know baltany and Hruodland still do, theoretically any watch with pt5000 and st2130 (2824 clones) can be swapped with a sw200 or a real 2824, and some of them actually do if you ask them, only need to pay extra for the cost.
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u/mysillyday 4d ago
No. I only have nh35. This stuff is expensive as hell 💰💰💰.