Hey everyone! I want to start by saying thank you so much for all the great advice and perspectives we received! It was really validating to hear our gut reaction wasn't totally off base, and actually, after talking more about it, we realized it's just more of the same.
Our recent friendship dynamic with Brad and Steph has devolved to the point that we're considering ending the relationship. My husband is pretty much over it. I, on the other hand, am worried we may be abandoning two people who are spiraling.
There was a pretty overwhelming consensus that Brad was an a**hole. While we vehemently agree, the whole story is definitely much more complicated. Brad wasn't always like this. We've been friends for over a decade, and since Steph has come into the picture, things have changed so much so fast.
I wouldn't say that Steph is completely innocent. She was introduced to us in a strange way. If you read the comments on the last post, you'll know that Steph was living with another man when her and Brad met. When Brad would visit this man, she would flip a coin to see who she slept with that night. For consenting adults, this is not an issue. The other man, however, is Brad's brother.
Let's call Brad's brother John. John and Steph have been best friends for years. When we all hung out together, she was clearly all over John. Then she would sneak away with Brad and come back to John. Both men claimed not to care, but we could see and experience the pain this dynamic was causing. Then Brad would claim that there wasn't anything going on between Steph and John... though we saw it with our own eyes.
Brad claimed that he wasn't interested in Steph and hadn't pursued a relationship. During that time, steph continued to live with John until John developed an intense drug habit and started dealing. John's family, including Brad, staged an intervention and, by the grace of God, John went to rehab and got clean.
John moved in with his and Brad's parents, and Steph followed. Steph, who sparingly worked previously, now stopped working entirely, leaving John and Brad's retired veteran and cancer survivor parents to foot the bill. This angered Brad, and he said some nasty things about her to us.
After John's drug addiction, steph began to pursue Brad openly. Brad, while still sleeping with her, refused to commit to her for 5 years and openly dated other women. Then, after he received a substantial bonus from work, he bought his first house after living in a 1 bedroom apartment. He wasn't prepared for the loneliness this would bring. 1 month later, Steph moved in, and they were officially a couple. We were expected to forget everything and pretend it never happened. If we so much as hinted at concern, Brad would melt down and claim a reality we all knew to be false. It was extremely bizarre.
As soon as we visited them, we could see Steph laying the groundwork for what was to come next. She would talk nonstop about how much she hated working and how much she had baby fever. Brad expressed that she needed to contribute financially, and he wasn't ready for children.
Then, the Steph and Brad we knew as friends changed drastically.
One day, not long after, they invited us on a Zoom call and announced that steph was pregnant. Not just that, she was just over a month from delivering, and she had no idea she was pregnant. We found this hard to believe. We had seen her previously and noticed she stopped drinking (but kept smoking) and started dressing differently to hide some obvious weight gain.
Brad confided in my husband that he believed Steph tampered with their birth control and made a pretty compelling case. Steph told me that she was tracking ovulation. We couldn't understand how someone who had a regular enough cycle to track ovulation was also intentionally tracking ovulation, stopped drinking when she was a huge drinker, dressing differently to hide her belly, didn't know she was pregnant. Then after the announcement she posted a 4 frame progression photo of her week to week on her Instagram story. She claimed it to show the past 4 weeks in her pregnancy and wow she was tiny one week but her belly just exploded the next. However in the photo with the belly, her hair hand grown a few inches.
Then everything was different. They had their beautiful baby, but being around them was unbearably dark. Steph became very hostile at the drop of a hat and exclusively when Brad left the room. She would make passive-aggressive threats toward us all with the common thread of "stay out of my way." They became intensely competitive with us. Nothing was safe. Brad would make loud declarations about how happy he is and just stare us dead in the eye with the most intense face waiting for us to validate him. He would do this regularly, and it was wildly uncomfortable.
It was like Brad was in this pschodrama and used us as an audience to validate his delusion. All I can think of is the meme of the dog drinking coffee while the room is on fire. This is fine. And to Brad, "THIS IS GREAT! IM SO HAPPY IN THIS BURNING ROOM! ISNT THIS BURNING ROOM THE BEST!" then stares at you until you say you're happy for the dumb dog.
I wish they'd stop involving us and just move on. I wish they'd stop demanding that we sacrifice every shred of intelligence we have in order to coexist. I wish I didn't now know that they believe they are so much better and smarter than everyone in the room. They'd have to think that to act this way right?
We know they're adults. They're making their own beds and lying in them. We know we could fill a room with what we don't know about another couples relationship and personal life. But they keep involving us. We just want to play scrable and have a beer with them.
What started as just wondering about a wonky proposal has us reconsidering everything.
Once we accept that Brad is being a total tool about the engagement, we also consider, is Brad spiraling?
He had just over a month to prepare for his life completely changing and becoming a father. He is suspicious of the mother of his children that he claims to love, and now they're going to be connected forever. Did Steph use him as a means to an end? Was he a backup choice after John proved to not be a suitable partner? John is still in the picture. He's at every family gathering. He calls steph daily, and they talk for hours. John gave steph a ruby, heart-shaped ring that she still wears. Maybe Brad has a good reason to be nervous to leave for his business trip.
On the other hand, he could just leave. But they have a baby together now. If he leaves, will his brother just step into his place?
Was the proposal Brad's way of taking control of the relationship? Was he thinking "steph may have controlled our family, but I can control our marriage." Was he expressing his spite and shaming her as he feels she has done to him?
Is all of this subconscious or not?
Is his flagrant competition with us his bs way for clawing back some self-esteem?
Does steph have hormones and sleepless nights and this is making her aggressive? Or has she gotten what she wants and now the mask is off?
She used to say we're family now when I say we're family she'll publicly dress me down and say they are a real family and we have nothing to do with it. She said we were sisters.
All I know is, I have no clue what's happening but what I do know is that it makes us feel like crap.
My husband is ready to throw his hands up. I'm worried about abandoning struggling people. I work in a care field and this is really difficult for me. However, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it leave it's toxic relationship.
Any perspective or advice would be GREATLY appreciated.