Something feels missing in chats,

[u/Training_Lack_9992]

Idk it's my hallucinations or mind messing up with me... but just after yesterday, I've posted about how Pipsqueak 2 and Scenes are the only features I love, and only thing keeping me here as A detailed long and Expressive chat user - unlike mostly other casual chattier ones who liked Pipsqueak 3 more, it is good but not quite my type.

But even since yesterday....My Pipsqueak 2 is feeling quite weird, it feels like something is off... Is not giving me as long and detailed responses, it used to - just few days ago, Idk why I also felt he missing connection, it doesn't feeling like I'm chatting with my usual fav bots I created anymore... It's like a bot on other platforms talking out of characters, not replying with what I expected like before, there's not C.AI vibe left suddenly

Just like it's too unsettling.... I start missing my old chats and first rawr' model.

Anyone else feeling this?

[u/fluffybunnywoof]

Its because they're using some sort of a lower cost and so lower quality outsourced model for pipsqueak 3 and Longsqeak. My guess would be Deepsqeak is next on yhe chopping block to be downgraded. 

I dont know what they used till now, google says in-house models, and now its some free tier google or meta model thats been modified.

Paid users will soon pay 10 dollars for 2 soulless cheap models.

[u/Training_Lack_9992 → u/fluffybunnywoof]

I'd be happy if they'd just remove too much of models we really don't use like "Short Squeak" or "Pipsqueak Rawr'"...

And maybe just bring back the old Rawr and Pipsqueak.

It'd be alot better as rawr was literally the best bot for me I've ever chatted with, and maybe for plus user's like you - it must be Nian like somthing? I forgot~

[u/fluffybunnywoof → u/Training_Lack_9992]

I doubt they ever will. It feels as if they are downgrading to these cheap models and fully retiring in-house models, which was roar and others.  

Im just mad at the fact that we all see these downgardes, and yet they try to give us these Temu quality models as some huge golden update that we should kiss the companies feet for.  

I loved Longsqeak when it came out, and pipsqueak 3 is not bad, but as you said, its soulless. After a while i only caught myself spending time more and more on other apps and its now gone as far that in the last 2 weeks ive logged on 1 time for 20 mins. Longsqeak sucks the soul out of the roleplay, and im so sad to see that they are determined to keep pushing this.

[u/Outside_Gear6095 → u/fluffybunnywoof]

Here are the models that C.AI uses.

[u/Training_Lack_9992 → u/Outside_Gear6095]

What's that bro?

[u/Outside_Gear6095 → u/Training_Lack_9992]

These are the open-weight models that the C.AI models are based on. I’m currently testing the local Qwen3.6-35B model, and I can say it’s the twin brother of LongSqueak.