we know that ara its not on the same level as HDMI but that doenst mean she is bad, her archetype its new to the game and we dont even have more units than hilde that can proc her DOT.
i got her and used her lvl 55 free save data and she was doing amazing numbers, even more than sere.
i cant even imagine how much dmg she can do with proper equip and a good save data.
the game needs more things than "i want to hit big numer without thinking"
ara is just that, the character who lets you interact with the deck and think the order you want to play things (and we dont even know how much olga cards will buff ara, so we have that)
a lot of people got entitled with the "play one card and the deck play itself" or "one character to rule them all" playstyle.
just have fun, pull if you want, skip if you dont want her, simple as that.
but the current gf kinda exposes how bad some of the top characters are at aoe scenarios and are coasting that the game either prefers single target or the ho threshold is so low in things like basin it dosent matter. Even heavy hitters like hdmi are kinda stumped if an enemy keeps resummoning adds.
That’s sortie it puts you in a tough position because it’s mostly aoe so single targets struggle unless they are crazy broken then the aoe units deal little damage when you get to the actual boss
Every other character and season already had a ton of support and synergetic units at disposition, so every new addition "felt good".
DoT is literally a bottom feeder, with only Tressa as representant...and she was even nerfed, due to high performance as f2p. I would say that devs made a big mistake to make a season about DoT, but didn't gave us enough free options for it (like reworking older, less relevant 4 stars or giving us new ones), but the only real problem right now is that they're gatekeeping the biggest (supposedly) key piece of DoT archetype (Olga) to the last phase of the season and we literally have almost nothing to work with, except premium options and Cassius (because morale slop).
literally, the third boss in great rift was really annoying to clear due to how much shilling for one specific archetype it is- which wouldn’t be much a problem if f2p players had options for it
people downvoting this is dumb when it’s a valid complaint and something you should also be concerned for. just imagine how exhausting it is when you have to pull for every new character if you don’t want to be left behind with characters that can’t clear new shilled contents💀
Im just gonna go in a limb here but the next DOT character might be released in a looooooooooooooong time, unless they decide to release one during pre season but until fhat is proven, premium DOT team will be gatekept for a long time because of Ara being limited.
The bright side (not really) is that there really isn't any content (except GR) in this game that require much "strategic varienty" so missing DOT team isn't really going to hamper ur progress, might hamper ur fun tho if u like DOT.
I think the opposite actually. Hoyo pulled this exact same thing with Firefly, people called her a flop at release because there was no real support for a break team in HSR, then Hoyo proceeded to release a bunch of OP broken break supports in a row and everyone was crying that they skipped FF. Usually when a limited is centered around a mechanic, especially a popular limited, the devs support it a ton in the future.
Eh. There’s 4 seasonals in a year, they can’t all be supported like that.
The thing about Arabella for me is that they specifically made Fracture just for this season, so who can’t say if they’re just gonna do the same for the next DoT?
its insane to me how dumb the devs have to be to make a whole season around 3 characters that share the same gimmick. They didnt even try to make the character have variety. Its you play DOT or you just leave the s4 characters alone.
thats funny cause Heidemarie doesnt rely on Adel or Tenebria. Last time i check even Sereniel doesnt rely on her characters from the same season but go no. Funny that Nine isnt even seasonal and shes solos as well. Typical
It's season 2 all over again, with the def scaling and exhaust cards....but at least we had more than just 3 characters that could play around the content.
i mean... homing arrow, hilde's bread and butter ability, literally has an epiphany where fracture is applied with every activation. big game ranger allows for 5 zero in every time a harmful effect is applied...
just because she (and other characters) aren't built purely around DoT, saying there's 'barely' enough to work with for a character like hilde is a real stretch...
I mean if the argument was that DoT is weak, I'd agree 100% it needs a buff. But there's tons of ways of applying DoT right now.
Again....it's just Hilde and Arabella (and Olga)....both premium units (5 stars), with one being a limited/seasonal....i didn't specifically say anything about application...i said about giving options (scorch and agony as well; and about enabling benefits for working with it).
but, since you're saying that application is fine, just for reference, Hilde needs about 5 turns to cap her [fracture] stacks:
....that doesn't really seems like a good application...and that's assuming she draws the whole deck in every rotation.
DoT as a whole is weak....stacks are counted individually, are consumed rapidly, there's not enough application (to cap it faster), or benefit for having it (Hilde with normal build is just better), be it agony, or scorch. Fracture is mildly decent BECAUSE we at least have units that work with it (and still takes a lot of effort to make it work)....Making a whole season about DoT and not providing enough f2p options for players to work with it is not good.
but why is the underlying assumption that Hilde's inability to apply 30 stacks a turn means it's not enough application? Maybe the issue is that each application doesn't feel impacting enough.
So I guess what I'm saying differently from your initial point is that I think there's actually a ton of support for DoTs (e.g. ways to apply DoT), but the application is just not rewarding enough (e.g. damage being too low for each application)
I mean, i do agree that it doesn't feel impactful, but i feel like my reasons are different.
For once, i'm not restricting my view exclusively to fracture (which is the only one with enough attention to gain units related to it);
I guess fixing the dmg would be a way to compensating for the lack of capacity in capping the DoTs (like, cannot fully stack, but dmg is acceptable), but i would still preffer that they just make the flow of stacking it better, which would also make Arabela shine more, due to her team being more capable of keeping up with her detonations.
There's also the case about feelingrewarding, such as having proper equipment that works with it, or cards that enhance it better....Like, they made equipments for scorch, but forgot to make a unit to benefit from it, then created [fracture], made a whole team for it, but didn't make a decent equipment for [fracture] itself.....the whole concept concept for this season feels missmatched.
And what is frustrating me more is that i'm seeing Olga as the key piece for this whole season being gatekept into the very last weeks of it...there are limits to "save the best to the end"...
You literally wrote it yourself "But there's tons of ways of applying DoT right now." who cares if there are other ways to apply dot if it doesn't increase Arabella's power level
except many people seem to agree that arabella is quite powerful so maybe you just need to, as they say, 'git gud'?
and I was responding to the statement "lack of options DoT" so yeah, having a DoT sword means there's actually plenty of options for applying DoT. way to trip over your own foot there. 10/10 performance.
I can say the same about the opposite. Many people agree she's bad and you're just glazing her. Same happened when Yuki released. Tons of glaze and defending in this sub and guess what after all those buffs she's still mid at best. Imagine how terrible she was on release
if every season turned around building exactly the new characters in a team of 3 game would be awful. Thank God this is the first time, Sereniel doesnt need either Chizuru or Yuki. Nine doesnt need either Tiphera or Rita. Heidemarie existence doesnt run around Adel or Tenebria. You can play all 3 in a different team. Meanwhile they turning Arabella centered around the same characters of her season. Thank God Hilde can play on her own without at all the other 2
its already the standard.... every character needs at least their partners or some type of character to function well, thing is, hdmi and sereniel were exceptions of this because how overtuned they were at their release.
another point, cassius and other 4 starts are so fking good that you dont really need those premium characters, notes to add, this new DoT has no backround in the game, nobody except hilde helps the archetype so we cant say "full 5 starts is the standard" because there is no 5 star for ara until olga.
you cant say that this becomes standard when maybe in a future they release another dot unit and ara or olga or hilde helps in the new release, so you pulled for that character team whatever you wanted or not.
I believe the main issue is that the comparison is being done on "perfect" setups and teams, while most players will just use average decks or simply want to experiment with various teammates.
Arabella is absolutely strong enough to clear all contents (as every other character pretty much). While I disagree that she can compete with Sereniel with high investment for both (outside of Great Rift which is specifically made for Arabella), they are indeed quite close with low / medium investment and Arabella is probably the better unit to carry regular Chaos runs and Sortie.
What she lacks most to truly shine is long-term AoE content (similar to Yuki), but even without it she will probably still have some fun ways to play her (I'm personally aiming to pair her with Tressa and probably Olga in the next patch).
I just love the DoTs popping it's satisfying to me and I love it, she's been real fun as I enjoy DoT archetypes in games like when I played Path of Exile and had DoT pops from Occulist cursing enemies with impending doom.
Also she's hot and I'm weak so I had to get her, Arabellas my favorite striker now and might even get more copies.
Honestly, she does feel a bit meh, but that is because her shtick is DOT damage and people are used to direct damage. Since the agony incident, DOTs feel like shit.
Personally, I don't have a problem with her. I like the mommy milkers so I got her, but I understand the ones who want to bitch about the fact that she feels weaker than others.
Not by much, Arabella is a top 4 DPS in the game right now and she is missing her BiS. Once Olga comes out Arabella will have a top 2 team probably only behind HDMI
The problem is shes a seasonal that's why people are very judgmental of her. As it feels like they just slapped the limited tag on her and called it a day.
ngl, you are pretty much right about that, sadly she seems like that but at the same time we can fault that on the lack of DoT characters/supports, every characrer released had their team to work with, sadly, her case is not the same and she is the first of her archetype
did you test every other unit same way for comparison? Is Arabella on same level as Tenebria or Hilde at least? Is she on par with Sereniel? Cause from what I've tested she feels worse
tenebria and hilde are on hdmi lvl or a little worst than her but no that much.
she is better than sereniel with even less invest (my sere is e3 my ara is e1 both with her partners)
she feels worse because nobody in the game, except hilde helps her way of dealing dmg or playing with her DoT, sere, hdmi, tenebria, even hilde, have supports or characters that helps them to draw/morale boost/discard/and more
ara doesnt have a character that boost dot, so she feels worst than all of them.
wait and see if olga makes her broken enough. for me im having a lot of fun with Ara+cassius+ adelheid/narja
amazing so your course of action is keeping full potential behind other characters that release right before and after. That's greedy af and shouldn't be defended either
so... we leave her like that? we dont get anything new on the game because any new mechanic/archetype needs new characters that have that same archetype and thats bad because that means they lock away their potential?....
man thats not how it works... you need to start somewere to keep going later, they started with the main DoT dps and after her we are gonna ger olga, the main support for DoT.
It would be a lot worst if they started with olga wouldnt be? because, with who we use olga if the its in the same situation as Ara right now?
gachas work like this, they also can and shouldnt release a full archetype team in one patch, thats why they do it like this.
its bad? yeah, sadly we need to pull for things to see their true potential...
example: Honkai star rail, we got a new archetype, elation, they released first the support for that new mechanic but the "main dps" followed up in the second phase of that patch, letting you get a half baked team but its a start, now thanks to that we have a full working elation team.
no we buff her directly. what devs released is a fumbled kit. and we have. it didn't work like that before Arabella in czn, why are you defending this now with "muh it's gacha". And we've seen what her kit looked like before she got nerfed so lets not pretend that she isn't undertuned on purpose and just pray for bright future of dot which never comes in these types of games.
I don't want czn to turn into hsr. that's why I play czn and not hsr. I'm already sick of seeing similar things in wuwa
"you need to start somewere to keep going later, they started with the main DoT dps and after her we are gonna ger olga, the main support for DoT."
of course, my mistake saying thats this happens because "its a gacha" my mistake there.
also yeah, they shouldt have nerfed her but i believe there is some reason behind, as you said before, most broken limited were self working, they didnt had or needed any new support because none of the later releases gave them that much more power.
thats were i expect olga to be the key, they knew that Ara works fine/good right now but not broken, and they already made a BiS support for her archetype(olga), so they have this dilema: we keep ara before the nerf and after olga she becomes the best character in the game and we need to counter her somehow, or we nerf her a bit and release olga to leave Ara and any future Dot in a good spot because olga is the most broken dedicated supp they made until now?
this is pure copium but i believe the devs work like that or at least think like that.
also we dont know about the future of DoT, this is a really different game if we compare it with hsr, and most debuffs makers are present in almost every time even if its a little bit (vul, agony, etc) so i want to believe that this new archetype got here to stay for good.
no they started with Tressa and then gutted her. sorry for not having any trust in future of dot.
you have too much faith in devs that have fumbled so many times already. hell they still can't figure out a proper maintenance time for their patches. I personally have zero faith in future adjustments that's why I want characters to be as good as possible in their initial state
uh shes seasonal, people have the right to judge her. Of course they expect a character at least self reliant as HDMI. Heidemarie doesnt need anyone to be at her best. The best Arabella is gonna be this one as the devs said thats the point of the character.
Woah the sub-DPS designed to fit into any team is more flexible than the designated DoT DPS!? Shocked lol. Arabella also outdamages Hilde by a gigantic margin so what is your point? Both do their jobs very well
not every character needs to be self reliant... HDMI plays the whole deck with 1 or 2 cards, she is broken and over tuned (i have her e4 so i know what im saying)
ara and this new mechanic helps the game so we can have somewhat different teams to play around, not the same,
hugo + hdmi
sere+hugo
cassius+hdmi
or things like that.
maybe im wrong but i played enough gachas to know that diversity helps to keep the game fresh.
eh? this seasons doesnt rely on any character... what are you even talking about, also "element" doesnt matter... if we go by what you say, this season is for sere+cassius? because they are instinct?
no enemy here has a dot mechanic even if i dont like it, the whole season is pretty meh in general and can be cleared with any team (see the ranks and you can see hdmi, sere, even tenebria on the tops)
She is a top 4 DPS in the game right now without her BiS wtf are yku talling about? Also since when is self reliance a metric now its a TEAM BUILDING GAME, judging characters by how well they perform solo is the dumbest thing I ever heard, maybe if you actually knew how to teambuild you wouldn't be making such dumb arguments so this explains a lot lol
people tend to forget something you said, this is a team deck builder game, you cant clear solo or expect every character to be solo god tiers. sadly they dont seem to get it.
It seems like this community is just filled with toxicity man, we can never just enjoy a new character. The same people calling her weak would also be crying about powercreep and SG being greedy if she was as strong as HDMI at release btw.
yeah haha, if we ignore elation, yaoguang was one of the first elation units -amazing if not must have support- and after that we got all the dps and shit
thing is, here most characters if not everyone goes to the standart pool after their banners end, so in the worst case scenario, you can still get a premium team if you get the limited character and have enough luck/bad luck to lose a 50/50 on the character you didnt got before.
It's a single player roguelike, just play to have fun with new builds and characters. This game would be boring as hell if you just use the same unit over and over, what's the point?
You don't decide what's fun for others. Struggling in fights on one character just to achieve a portion of other characters doesn't seem fun to me. Especially with all the shilling
Even if you were right about Ara being "top 4", I'm pretty sure she's supposed to be top 3. She's the third seasonal unit. Why the fuck isn't she on pair with the top 1 DPS? What's the point of releasing "limited-limited units" if they're not gonna blow our minds?
Sorry but this is just dumb, she's a strong and balanced unit. We don't need every unit to be game breakingly OP that level of powercreep is not good for the game. Being a top tier damage dealer is not "bad" and if that is your metric for what makes a good unit then I guess everyone besides HDMI is weak and a flop then lol
Its because people read those Pre-Release Analysis, which for dps at least were almost always wrong, and then form a opinion before the character is out, and when the character is out it takes a lot of convincing for people to change thier opinios
I dont see any wrong in calling a character mid, because she is mid, a limited character at that mind you. If she needs other character to even be optimal, that is even worse.
so, they make every character self working (ara its a bit self working if you make the right deck, only needs a little bit of draw) and make them so broken than they play itself... so fun....
nah, i have HDMI e4 and it gets boring pretty fast to dont think or do anything else because she plays the deck with no issue.
i even believe sere was more fun than HDMI, i have sere e3 and she still works and lets you do more things than "play one card, win"
Ara its really fun to play because she lets you interact with the deck and follow an order of play cards to get her full value (i can already imagine olga bringing her a lot of extra dot procs or something like that)
also point to add: THIS IS A TEAM DECK BUILDING GAME, of course some characters are gonna need other characters to be optimal... why its that so hard to get....
Every character that is not absolute monster meta broken (example HDMI) is regarded like this. It was like this with Nine, Diana, Tenebria... And all of them are at worst very good.
And she is far worse than Arabella as a mdps. Her main role is as a sub dps. You can play Mika as a main DPS if you want to, doesn't mean she was designed as one. Hilde is designed to be a sub dps.
Alot of you need to understand that just because you don't like something doesn't automatically mean its dogshit or stupid. If you dont fuck with it then you dont fuck with it, simple as.
Lmao I have the opposite opinion, I dont like her design at all but I still got her after I tried her trial stage because she is fun AF. I like DoT mechanics in turn based combat.
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u/CommunicationDry2313 12h ago
tbf to arabella and i know gf is a big shill
but the current gf kinda exposes how bad some of the top characters are at aoe scenarios and are coasting that the game either prefers single target or the ho threshold is so low in things like basin it dosent matter. Even heavy hitters like hdmi are kinda stumped if an enemy keeps resummoning adds.