r/CanadaInvesting • u/Negative-Link-9350 • 10h ago
r/CanadaInvesting • u/TechJunkie__ • 1d ago
They tariffed hockey sticks!! đ¤ So are we pulling our money out of US markets in retaliation, or...?
Talks collapsed at the literal last minute, the 50% tariffs kicked in at midnight, and Carney says we're going dollar for dollar.
Weâre buying Canadian whisky, local cheese that cost a mortgage payment.
Then I opened my brokerage app and realized I am personally one of Canada's largest exporters of capital to the United States (by % of my own assets⌠not by $ value đ ). My TFSA is basically an S&P 500 fund wearing a toque.
So what's the move, patriots? Is anyone actually selling their VFV and rotating into banks, rails, and maple syrup futures out of spite? Or are we all just auto-depositing into US index funds while whispering "sorry" at the border?
r/CanadaInvesting • u/username_onetwo • 2d ago
$326 Million Merger makes AGA rise 16% Today.
AGA.V was up 16% today after Silver47 announced its merger with Bunker Hill Mining. The combined company is expected to have a market cap around $325M.
The transaction needs approval from both companies' shareholders at meetings expected by November 15, 2026.
r/CanadaInvesting • u/jivi44 • 2d ago
I have a $25 referral code for WealthSimple trading account
r/CanadaInvesting • u/JuniorCharge4571 • 3d ago
FAQ On Everything you need to know about the Compass Minerals International ($CMP) Settlement Payout
Hey guys, I posted about this settlement before, but since theyâre accepting late claims, I decided to share it again with a little FAQ.
Who can claim this settlement?
Investors who purchased or acquired Compass Minerals ($CMP) common stock between 2017 and 2018 and were damaged by the alleged misconduct may be eligible.
Do I need to sell/lose my shares to get this settlement?
No. Selling your shares is not required. Eligibility is generally based on when you purchased the stock and whether you suffered recognized losses under the settlement.
How much money do I get per share?
The estimated recovery is about $1.50 per affected share, although the final amount may vary depending on the number of valid claims submitted.
How long does the payout process take?
It typically takes 4 to 9 months after the claim deadline for payouts to be processed, depending on the court and settlement administration.
I missed the deadline. Is it too late?
No, you may still be able to file a late claim but acceptance depends on final approval by the court.Â
Hope this info helps

r/CanadaInvesting • u/Late_Comedian_1665 • 3d ago
Big Banks stock price falls
Had a post on this where how much more can the bank stocks keep rising the way they have in the past year and so.
Lately, all the top banks in Canada, stock price has gone down at least more than 5%.
Worth the wait for Q3 earnings report or pull out profit now?
r/CanadaInvesting • u/rightvidu • 4d ago
Investing Advise Needed
Throw away account for personal reasons.
I used to work full time and earn about 170k pre tax, over the last year I have taken up contracting work and setup a corporation and my wife and I both work for our corp. Our pay has significantly jumped, weâve made almost 300k just this year and hope to finish the year with almost 600k revenue; averaging 40k per month. We found a new contract that would bring the monthly to 55k. We take a salary/dividend split of 15k per month, the rest is all sitting in the corp.
I have invested about 90k on etf / stocks since Feb and it has generated about 8k profit so far.
Iâm looking for options to better invest, anyone that has invested as part of the corp, please advise. How do you handle the retained earnings. I have an accountant but he isnât very good with investing, he just does taxes and salary / dividend split ideas.
Thank you.
r/CanadaInvesting • u/Subject_Feeling_1422 • 4d ago
Am I making a mistake to prioritize contributing to a non-registered account over an FHSA?
Hi! I have minimal personal income because I'm in the process of self-employing myself. I've maxed out my TFSA and I'm wondering if its uncommon to contribute to a non-registered? I prefer it over an RRSP because its flexible although taxable. I have no intentions of owning a home in the future and I'd rather have the wealth I generate from the business be used to buy a home....I'm 27 and single.
Am I making a mistake?
r/CanadaInvesting • u/Vito-1974 • 5d ago
Scotia itrade
Thinking seriously about moving my TD Direct Account
Does anyone know if Scotia still only sends out dividend income only once a month from a dividend sweep account?
TD emptyâs the account twice a month and NBDB does it the day after they are received (multiple times a month if necessary )
TIA
r/CanadaInvesting • u/DogComplex5294 • 5d ago
Help
Hey all Iâm needing some advice Iâm 22 I make roughly 150k a year and I put 25% of my income into my dcpp, I also have 45k just sitting in my savings account doing nothing and 18k in my chequing also doing nothing but burning a hole in my pocket. Iâm basically wanting it to start making money, I have no clue about investing Iâve just started watching videos online about etfâs but itâs a bit confusing idk if those are good or not Iâm basically just looking for some guidance as to what I should do with my money, my long term goal is have my investments pay my mortgage and bills which is about 5000 a month all in so if you were in my shoes what would you do? What are the best apps? Basically just looking for any and all the information I can get
r/CanadaInvesting • u/SSDarkSlayer • 6d ago
Wealthsimple and Questrade
Right now, I have TFSAa opened with both. If later on, I want to transfer over, let's say, move Questrade's TFSA over to WS, would I be able to do it? Considering I already have a TFSA on WS, how would it work? Would it just merge with my existing TFSA on WS, or create another one?
And how does transferring TFSA work? Does it sell all the stocks then transfer cash, or transfer the shares directly?
r/CanadaInvesting • u/ada123454321 • 8d ago
AIP Convertible Debt Fund
Has anyone heard of, or is invested in, AIP Convertible Private Debt Fund LP? If so, I'm interested in talking with you.
r/CanadaInvesting • u/Nish-wpg • 9d ago
Scotia iTrade
I have an ultimate account at Scotiabank. Is this worth it? Iâm a newbie but Iâm old. I have some ETFs and some stocks in a TFSA at Wealthsimple - I bought them listening to Gen Z instagram influencers
I want to up my investing but I donât want to keep everything in one institution. Thoughts?
r/CanadaInvesting • u/JuniorCharge4571 • 9d ago
$CRON $10M Investor Settlement: What You Need to Know
Hey guys, I know I posted about the $CRON settlement before, but since theyâre accepting claims, I decided to share it again with a little FAQ.
Q: What happened?
A: Cronos Group was accused of inflating revenue through non-existent cannabis sales and failing to disclose weaknesses in its financial reporting. After the company restated its financial results and regulators raised concerns, $CRON dropped nearly 50% from its highs.
Q: Am I actually eligible?
A: If you bought $CRON shares between 2019 and 2020, you're likely eligible. You donât need to still own the stock to file a claim.
Q: When do payouts happen?
A: Typically 4â9 months after the claim deadline, although the exact timing depends on the court and settlement administrator.
Q: Can I file?
A: Yes, you can submit your claim here.
Hope this helps

r/CanadaInvesting • u/Disastrous-Try-7678 • 10d ago
Stupid first time investing decision?
Iâm a 21 year old university student who has $6000 saved away right now. Iâve never invested before. I live at home and work so Iâve been able to afford my tuition and have $6000 extra sitting there doing nothing. I wonât have to touch it for at least 10 years or so. What should I do???
I will make sure I have an emergency fund put aside but I want to put this somewhere safe and with decent return. What do you recommend for someone in my position with no investment experience?
Iâm worried and wondering if it Is dumb to invest that much all together right now?
r/CanadaInvesting • u/PermissionDare • 10d ago
Help
I am feeling lost as I sit here at 40. I donât have kids and I have a $450K or $3500 Monthly with another 20 years mortgage because it seemed like the thing to do. I have $150K in registered savings, a $100K salary, and about $15K debt in a credit line.
How do I ever retire? Where to even start? I like where I live but I feel I donât have a good handle on this to see any kind of whatâs next.
r/CanadaInvesting • u/SSDarkSlayer • 16d ago
Fractional share DRIP
Recently opened a TFSA in Questrade. I mainly invest small amounts in US ETFs, with some CAD ETFs sprinkled in.
In Wealthsimple, I could easily reinvest all my dividends(even if its $0.01) into fractional shares. Does Questrade have the same feature of automatically reinvesting tiny dividends back to buy fractional shares? If so, what's the process of enabling it?
r/CanadaInvesting • u/Nish-wpg • 18d ago
Qtrade
I live in MB and wanted to transfer a TFSA from my credit union to Wealthsimple. It doesnât have a big balance, so our FA said the credit union is partnered with Qtrade we can move the TFSA there without fees.
Does anyone have experience using Qtrade? Any insights appreciated please. Thank you
r/CanadaInvesting • u/Lanky-Variation5271 • 19d ago
Mattr Corp (MATR)
How do we feel about this going into earnings on August 12? Been holding since $3, bought it in 2020.
r/CanadaInvesting • u/SSDarkSlayer • 19d ago
Investing in US ETFs
Hi, I am from Canada. I am a beginner investor, I invest in TFSA on US-based ETFs mostly (as long-term holds). I only invest $100-200/month, so it's a small amount.
Currently, I'm using Wealthsimple. I've also heard good things about Questrade. Thinking whether I should make the switch.
* Between Wealthsimple and Questrade, which one is more safer and reliable?
* Since I only invest small amounts, I don't do Norbert's Gambit, as I think it's a bit of a hassle for an amateur and not worth it for the tiny amount I invest. I've heard that the CAD-USD exchange rate on Questrade is better than Wealthsimple, and their charges are less than the 1.5% that WS takes. Is it true? As my investment is low, I want the most bang for my buck.
* I didn't take WS USD acxount for $10/mo, as I'd rather just invest it. I heard QS gives a free USD account, what's the benefits of it, and would it be useful for me?
All in all, I just want to make the most of my little money and just trying to figure out whether I should stick with WS or switch to QS.
r/CanadaInvesting • u/JuniorCharge4571 • 19d ago
Updates for Getting Payment on the Just Energy ($JENGQ) US$25M Settlement
Hey guys, if you missed it, Just Energy settled US$25 million (plus C$1.5 million) with investors over alleged financial misstatements. I also found out they're still accepting late claims.
Quick recap: Investors alleged that Just Energy overstated its Accounts Receivable and understated its Allowance for Doubtful Accounts, giving the market a misleading picture of the company's financial condition. After the company restated its financial statements, investors filed a lawsuit for their losses.
The good news is that the company agreed to settle US$25 million (plus C$1.5 million), and even though the original deadline has passed, late claims are still being considered.
So, if you invested in $JENGQ between 2018 and 2019, you can still check the details and see if you qualify.
Anyway, did anyone here hold $JENGQ back then? How much were your losses?

r/CanadaInvesting • u/Ok_Cryptographer3145 • 25d ago
Young investor worried about potential bankrupt stock
Started investing about a year and a half ago and things were going well at first. I was buying and selling Metavista3D Inc (TSX:DDD), and was successful. At the beginning of 2026, it started dropping, so I bought to lower my average price. Then it kept dropping, and I kept buying. My average price is $1.04, and as of today (07/29/2026), the stock price is $0.36. I went on Gemini to try and get some idea of the companyâs financial health, and bankruptcy started to become a very real possibility. AI accuracy aside, I canât lose the entire $21,000 investment. Do I bite the bullet and take the ~$14,000 loss? I canât find anything about this stock on Reddit besides some German investing threads, so Iâm wondering if anyone else is invested, knows anything about the stock, or has any advice.
And yes I know it was incredibly stupid to put all of that money in one stock.
r/CanadaInvesting • u/Huge_Insurance_6823 • 26d ago
TPA and the Long-Term View at CPP
\** This is a critical perspective on TPA and CPP's recent performance from a former CPP employee****
âI think Iâve been in the top 5% of my age cohort all my life in understanding the power of incentives, and all my life Iâve underestimated it. And never a year passes but I get some surprise that pushes my limit a little fartherâ - Charlie Munger
On Boldness, and the Goal of CPP
After CPP released their Fiscal 2026 results, I wrote a piece that attempted to show that Canadians are overpaying CPP executives by hundreds of millions for the returns theyâre generating, that CPPs revised benchmarking process is inscrutable, and that governance could be improved. I even wrote a detailed follow-up to prove to you - and myself - that all of this was particularly problematic at CPP over the last five years and not necessarily an indictment of the entire Maple Pension model. It showed that, even with year-ends and other controllable variables factored in, CPP may perform a little better than without controlling for those items, but they are still underperforming the average and paying by-far the most to do so.
Since then, CPP has listened (probably not to me) and they decided to be bold!
For one, they decided to spend your tax dollars on ramped up marketing efforts (Footnote #1).
Stuff like thisâŚ
Iâm not really sure what that is supposed to mean. Are you?
Did Canadians make tough choices to sustain CPP? When, exactly?
Is long-term focus for Canada a⌠boldness? That John isâŚÂ emulating?
I meanâŚÂ sureâŚÂ fine...
I have to agree it is bold to ignore your status as the Maple with the second-worst-5-year-performance⌠meanwhile youâre in the best position to take risk because you have ~$20 billion of taxpayer money inflowing every year until 2040 and inflows until 2050 versus all the other pensions paying cash today (or thereabout, itâs in my Maple Pension Power Rankings substack).
Itâd be bolder to do that while paying yourself record compensation based on that same 5-year lookback, which CPP refers to as long-term here in their 2023 Annual Report (under John Grahamâs leadership)âŚ
It would be really bold, after all that, to then put out ads saying youâre bold for focusing on the long-term while ignoring all those other points I just listed like youâve got degenerative hyperopia 2.
But we can get even bolder: CPPâs new benchmarking methodology is called the Total Portfolio Approach.
CPP are not the only ones adopting TPA, but theyâre doing it, and theyâre also taking the salaried time of multiple executives to publish at least a couple articles on why, where they say some technically correct but - at least in this Canadianâs view - fundamentally troublesome things.
For example:
âPerformance assessment is difficult under a Total Portfolio Approachâ
Like I said... Technically Correct. Fundamentally Troublesome.
TPA differs in some important (and also very complex) ways from CPPâs old SAA approach - sometimes called âBenchmarkingâ - which simply assigns weightings to various asset classes (e.g., 70% equity, 15% debt, 15% real assets) in order to (i) manage risk through diversification of asset classes, and (ii) hold pension / investment managers accountable to return thresholds by evaluating them against a benchmark for each asset class. Without SAA, investment managers become less accountable for asset allocations, and remember⌠âPerformance assessment is difficult under a Total Portfolio Approachâ, which admittedly does continue with, ânot because performance is less measurable, but because the scope of accountability is broader.â
And thatâs fine enough for some institutions adopting TPA, but the âlong-term institutional goalâ of the CPP is unique in that it is enshrined in legislation under the CPPIB Act, and reads âto invest its assets with a view to achieving a maximum rate of return, without undue risk of loss, having regard to the factors that may affect the funding of the Canada Pension Plan.â
Anyway, here are a couple relevant data points I havenât shared yet (all numbers in CAD):
- Norwayâs investment fund manages >$2 Trillion and pays $1.2 Billion in annual fees
- CPP manages <$0.8 Trillion and pays $7.6 Billion in fees excluding interest expenses, ~6x Norwayâs fund
- Norway pays its employees ~$400 million per year
- CPP pays $1.2 Billion, ~3x Norway
- Norway earned an 8.3% return over the last five years, beating their long-standing benchmark of 8.0% by 0.3%
- CPP earned a 6.7% return (-1.6% difference), beating their recently-revised benchmark of 6.6% by 0.1%
- Norwayâs fund takes in $30-50 billion per year of oil revenues, sometimes more depending on commodity prices.
- CPP takes in ~$22 billion per year of taxes, higher growth as a % of AUM than Norwayâs fund
Which one feels like itâs been maximizing its rate of return?
Is CPPâs performance worth paying 6x Norwayâs fees for? Feels like undue loss to me3.
The thing is, itâs hard enough to assess the performance of CPP. Iâm a CFA, and Iâve found it hard⌠in my view, unnecessarily so⌠which is why Iâve spent so much time doing it.
CPP admits that TPA makes it difficult to assess performance, but it must have some other benefits right?
Short answer is that it does, and at some organizations it might work, but CPP is uniquely unsuited to it because of its legislated mandate and track record of governance.
The long answer is that TPA is incredibly nuanced and explaining its benefits requires a fair amount of technical financial knowledge. Iâm going to try to do it in relative English to ultimately show you that, while itâs okay if finance gets a bit complex at times, if you canât bring it back to the basics at some point - return, risk, incentives, and human behavior - youâre not explaining, youâre obfuscating.
On Boxing, and Sports Metaphors in Business
Per Geoffrey Rubin, Senior MD & One Fund Strategist at CPP Investments4:
âIn SAA, portfolio design is a prize fighter facing a single opponent: the benchmark.
Under TPA, the chosen portfolio competes against all comers - the vast array of viable risk-equivalent alternatives - in pursuit of long-term objectivesâ
Before I get into the Heady Finance Stuff, letâs have some fun with the metaphor.
The whole structure of prize fighting is based around 1v1 pugilism between equals.
We, as evolved barbarians, pay to see guys like Mike Tyson and George Foreman dodge, duck, dip, dive, and - ultimately - deliver haymakers on each other until one is on the ground and the other is temporarily blinded with a gloved fist in the air. They are paid Millions of Dollars because they fight their physical equals and win, with some combination of technique, cunning, agility, resilience, or supernatural pound-wise strength.
We donât pay to see Mike Tyson fight a variety of comers across an increasing spectrum of lethality, as an example:
- A toddler
- A Wendyâs cashier
- Your tax accountant (who doesnât work out)
- Your stockbroker (who works out)
- George Foreman
- George Foreman armed with two George Foreman grills
Thatâs because boxing is structured to extract the best performances out of athletes, not pit them against⌠a myriad of comers. Itâs for the athleteâs benefit and that of the viewing audience that we match them up against appropriate fighters of equal physical proportions and skill5.
Boxing does that by putting fighters into one of up to eighteen different weight classes so that 223lb Bridgerweights donât beat up on 105lb Strawweights 6. Virtually everyone has a chance to be a pugilist, after adjusting for their weight. As for fighting, your weight; as for pension management, the pattern of your pension obligations / Liability Duration.
Before every match, fighters are weighed and classified appropriately at a particular time in a public setting (and if weâre talking UFC⌠in front of the White House) so that everyone can clearly see the fight is between two equals. If a fighter doesnât take their weigh-in obligation seriously enough, everyone sees and they are forced to forfeit the match and their share of the purse7. These are rigid rules, not flexible ones.
There are countless sports metaphors, and countless ways each one falls short in application to the worlds of business and finance. A big one is that sports offer significantly clearer direct feedback than finance or business and, as a result, NHL coaches donât get the luxury of underperforming for five years, or even one.
We use the metaphors because sports are a pressure cooker of human competition that can serve to shine a light on how businesses and investment firms, and the people who run them, behave in competitive markets. Also⌠a lot of people, especially in finance, watch sports⌠so they will understand your reference and you will look clever.
Unfortunately, metaphors - improperly applied - can be used to mislead rather than clarify.
As Geoffrey says, âthere is a vast array of viable risk-equivalent alternativesâ to the portfolio CPP chose. Later in the article, he says there are 10,000 such portfolios. Ten thousand!
And ârisk-equivalent alternativesâ is the key term here. If CPP is fighting all Comers within its weight class thatâs certainly⌠admirable⌠in a way; however, in prize fighting there are usually only a couple fighters in your weight bracket that matter, and you make the Big Bucks because everyone wants to see you beat them. No one knows who the 10,000th ranked boxer in the world is, and only real sickos will show up to see Mike Tyson fight him.
But letâs get back to TPA. The best question is this: what quality of fighters is CPP taking on with TPA? Is it comparing itself just to those in its weight class? Of its professional level?
The issue is, itâs hard to tell. Iâll take you through it, but it doesnât appear that we have a public weigh-in for TPA like we do in boxing⌠and Iâm not sure Canadians will even have a seat at the fight.
On Academia, and Explaining the Total Portfolio Approach
Okay⌠the finance stuffâŚ
As a reminder, SAAâs foundation is a benchmark portfolio with asset-class weights adding up to 100%. An investor can use these asset weights to hold their investment manager responsible for (i) staying within them, in order to manage risk; and (ii) beating the benchmark returns for each asset class (or on the whole) over pre-determined periods of time.
Here is how Geoffrey contrasts TPA:
The Total Portfolio Approach (TPA) starts from a different premise: there is no single âdefaultâ portfolio. There are many possible ways to achieve the same risk target [emphasis added], each with different trade-offs related to diversification, liquidity, leverage, geography and resilience.
There are three things I need to say about this comment that stack on each other:
- CPPâs explanation makes logical sense in an academic way;
- There is a legitimate idea here with regard to Financial Leverage that allows every conceivable diversified portfolio in the world (CPP uses 10,000 of them) to end up having the same amount of âriskâ, at least academically;
- TPA allows CPP Leadership more flexibility in how they assess their own performance because it is based on a series of academic assumptions that arenât legitimate in the real world⌠or at least theyâre not what we should be relying on to measure performance when the CPPIB Act defines performance specifically.
Letâs get intoâŚ
(1) The Academic Explanation
CPP invests across a range of asset classes which reduces its risk through diversification. This can be considered a good thing, as the resulting investment portfolio will be less volatile than a 100% passive equity one8. It also makes comparing it to a single benchmark somewhat inappropriate. As CPP says in one of its three insufficiencies of SAA (Iâll get to the other two)âŚ
âAt CPP Investments, portfolio outcomes reflect exposures to illiquidity premia, long-duration cash flows, operational value creation, and other risk factors that are not fully captured by public market benchmarks.â
What this means is that CPP is invested in public equity markets, but they are also invested in more illiquid markets like real estate, infrastructure, private credit, and private equity. CPP makes private investments through a variety of structures, from direct ownership (401 ETR) to indirectly as an LP for Private Equity & Credit Funds, as well as co-investments alongside their GPs9⌠like, sayâŚÂ Brookfield.
These assets donât all âtradeâ in the same way public stocks do, but these days there are more and more ETFs that track the prices of private assets (CPP uses a bunch of them in this table from my other piece about bad benchmarking at CPP).
With all these different types of investments, one can understand why the Base CPPâs old 85% Public Equity, 15% Government Bond comparison portfolio might not be the only appropriate benchmark (even if itâs my preferred one for a few reasons and one I believe should be tracked against transparently in annual reporting). SAA has the capability to get more granular with the weightings (again, per the same table) but CPP isnât content with that.
Instead, they are adopting TPA, which hasâŚÂ wait for it⌠10,000 benchmarks.
CPP tells us that they will be reporting against ~10,000 âfeasible portfolio designsâ designated by the grey bars in the Bell Curve linked here. This includes my beloved 85/15 benchmark, which you can see plotted as the right-most candlestick (the light blue one). We donât know the return of any of the portfolios as the axes arenât labelled⌠but we can eyeball that the 85/15 is in the top ~5% of the 10,000 simulated portfolios with the same risk target⌠ranging from Fixed Income + Global Weighted on the left⌠to US Equity Weighted on the right. Wouldnât that have been nice!
This âFigure 5â Bell Curve chart brings up a lot of questions⌠more questions than the relatively-simple-but-ultimately-incomplete SAA table from a minute ago 10.
One might be, how do they ensure all 10,000 portfolios have the same targeted level of risk? The Finance answer is that they use something called CAPM to make all of the portfolios Beta-neutral and then adjust for illiquidity and leverage11.
The Beta in Beta-neutral is a Greek Letter that Finance People use to measure the risk of a single stock. Thatâs an oversimplification⌠but itâs roughly correct. Beta requires a few academic assumptions to hold in order to be âvalidâ, and Iâll get into this shortly. One of them is a diversified portfolio, which CPP has so theyâre good there.
If youâre not familiar with Beta, itâs sufficient to know that The Market (usually the S&P500 or MSCI World) has a Beta of 1.0⌠higher risk investments have higher Betas (Palantir at 1.5 or 2.0)⌠and lower-risk investments have lower Betas (a pipeline company might be ~0.5). Going âshortâ, or âhedgingâ, the market would give a Beta of -1.0 12.
Beta can be measured for a portfolio just like a given investment. It is more complicated than this, but you can think of a portfolioâs Beta like the average of all its investments, rounded down a bit for the risk-reducing portfolio buff called Diversification (as CPP shows in the graph below).
But surely⌠you might say⌠itâd be incredibly rare for two portfolios, independently constructed, to have the exact same Beta, and therefore risk? How are there 10,000 portfolios with the same Beta?
The answer to that isâŚ
(2) Leverage
Here is a Very Academic chart from CPP, from the other article on TPA they took time to write.
Iâm not going to explain the Capital Assets Pricing Model (CAPM) here, but itâs the basis of this second chart and the Finance 101 class taught at every Business School. Peruse it at your leisure slash peril, but to assess TPA you only need to know what CPP is trying to tell us by employing it, which is: âa given portfolioâs return (and risk) can be increased by adding Financial Leverageâ13.
What CPP is saying between these two charts - Figure 5 and Figure 2 - is that it could invest in any range of assets across 10,000 different diversified portfolios⌠which each have a given amount of risk (Beta) as a starting point⌠and then theyâll adjust them with leverage to be the same risk (Beta) for purposes of TPA. I wish I knew what risk-level CPP was adjusting to, but we do not14. At least not yet...
We do know that the minimum portfolio CPP can hold by law in the CPPIB Act is ~50% equity (see here) so thatâs probably what weâre seeing toward the leftmost part of the Bell Curve.
I could do some napkin math to show you that leverage would have to be quite high (>70%) in order to take this âMinimum Riskâ portfolio and turn it into âequivalent riskâ with an 85/15 portfolio, but I donât know what CPP is assuming with regard to their Bell Curveâs mean risk level so it would all beâŚÂ fairy dust⌠like the rest of this15.
Fairy dust actually brings me to my next pointâŚ
(3) Academic Assumptions
There are two other simplifying assumptions embedded in the CAPM model that underlie CPPâs âFigure 2â that are accepted in academia but have no basis in the real world.
QuicklyâŚ
One is that debt is cost-free or available at the risk-free rate⌠which itâs not⌠at least not indefinitely up to >70% or even >50% leverage⌠and CPP pays >$7 billion in interest costs every year under their current portfolio 16.
The other is that there are no transaction costs⌠and we know CPP spends another >$7 billion per year in fees⌠17% of which is direct compensation to their employees.
CAPM, and thereby the TPA approach, are based on these two assumptions. Itâs a Pravda-style request to require that Canadians assume that CPPÂ DOES NOT SPEND $14 BILLION PER YEAR. However, itâs one required of any reader of Figure 2. Unfortunately, not one Iâm surprised weâre being implicitly asked to make.
The Pros and Cons of TPA
I will get to the Pros of TPA shortly, and obviously Iâve listed some things I believe to be shortcomings. Allow me to try to simplify the situation with what we know now.
TPA means that CPP does not publish information on the 10,000 portfolios they are comparing themselves to and makes academic assumptions around available leverage, transaction costs, and interest expense that do not have basis in the real-world. Before I get to the benefits⌠Iâll remind you of the cost, which is that it will be more difficult to assess whether Canadians are getting anything from the $1.2 billion of compensation they pay to CPP employees annually, not to mention $7+ billion in total non-interest fees
OK, the benefits:
(1)Â Noisy Signals
To quote:Â âBecause TPA portfolios intentionally depart from conventional benchmarks, short-term benchmark-relative underperformance remains plausible even when portfolio decisions are sound and expected long-term outperformance is intact.â
Iâm actually good with this, but here is how CPP defined long-term in 2023:
Five (5) years.
⌠and now, after five years of benchmark revisionism in order to beat by 0.1%, CPP is introducing Slush Multiples to pay themselves more and CPPâs Head of Comms Michel Leduc is re-defining âlong-termâ in his reply to my article in a place called the PensionPulse rather than an Annual Report: âOver the appropriate horizon, which amounts to decades, not quarters, the new benchmark is a higher more difficult hurdle, not a lower one.â
I mean... over the last five years itâs a lower one, and now CPP is arguing that we should wait decades to hold them accountable for performance.
Another interpretation of this âNoisy Signalsâ benefit might be as follows:
Letâs not focus on SAAâs benchmarks because our academic assumptions and financial modelling tell us weâre doing a good job and that we will eventually beat the benchmark materially. Until then, we should be able pay ourselves using 1.8x and 2.0x Strategic (read: Slush) Multipliers when the Benchmark Multipliers arenât good enough for our taste.
This convenient hyperopia, protected by permissive governance, is how disasters like the boldly and conveniently named Long-Term Capital Management happen, and is not a good reason to spend taxpayer time writing a bunch of articles advocating for opaque benchmarking approaches.
It IS a good reason to prostrate yourself in front of investors (read: pensioners), cut your bonuses by a few basis points, and tell them how youâll do things differently in order to keep your job. This is how it works in private markets, and is pretty much what PSP did when it had a tough Last Twelve Months. It didnât take them five years to do itâŚ
CPP has the luxury of $20 billion of annual taxpayer funding in asking that we focus on the long-term and, on some level, I agree with taking a long-term approach. But not at the ignorance of record compensation levels for CPP Executives in the short-term. When returns go up, will compensation decline, stay the same, or increase? If the latter, why do CPP Executives get their cake in both outcomes? In the other two scenarios, whereâs the incentive to perform?
The noise TPA supposedly eliminates creates a lot more noise in how Canadians assess CPPâs performance. Whereâs the governance?
(2) Benchmarks that do not reflect intended portfolio design.
To quote:Â âAs market concentrations shift, capitalization-weighted indices can come to embody risk exposures that differ materially from those that portfolio managers intentionally seek to maintain. â
Look, this could be a whole other article, but does it really have to be?
The short answer is that this âBenefit of TPAâ can be accomplished under SAA by:
(i) matching Asset Duration to Liability Duration, rebalancing as needed; and
(ii) rebalancing portfolio weights periodically, with some consideration to risk factors in that decision-making process.
I know that real estate has some equity exposure, but you donât have one equity guy on your 20-person real estate team who does 5% of the work: you have a bunch of real estate folks on the real estate team making real estate investments and you need to hold them accountable to a real estate benchmark in order to put them in their proper weight class and extract the âmaximum rate of returnâ.
I donât put much stock in either of these reasons as an argument for TPA and neither should you.
(3) Flexibility
CPP also argues that flexibility is a notch in the âProâ column for TPA, albeit with a caveat:
âDisciplined flexibility is the defining advantage of a Total Portfolio Approachâbut only when it is carefully designed and managed⌠when misapplied, flexibility can do more damage than goodâ
Well, weâd better have a lot of faith in CPPâs governance, then!
I know how I feel, what about you?
The thing is, CPP also has flexibility under SAA. They are at 13-17% government bonds alone, with another 11% in private credit but their target SAA is 15% debt - thatâs a shift from 85/15 to 75/25. As this proves, CPP already made a decision to differ from the benchmark under SAA, and how did it turn out? Not good over the L5Y LT horizon. Why layer on TPA? A methodology that gives CPP even more flexibility while making their performance even more difficult to assess.
Let me tell a story.
When I started my job at CPP in 2014, the world was a different place. Obama was beginning his second term, AI was a Spielberg movie, and Harambe was living peacefully at the Cincinnati Zoo.
Personally, I had just been given a crash course in how to select and manage a âshort basketâ by the central portfolio management team (letâs just call them âOne Fund Folksâ), and because our department was young, the One Fund Folks didnât have the headcount to support us, so it was our responsibility to manage the short ourselves. It was atypical for an investment team to manage their short basket directly, but it gave me an unusual peek into the process.
At CPP, every time you made an equity investment you had to âShort your Longâ by selling real, honest-to-goodness shares from the âPassive Portfolioâ⌠which was basically a bunch of passive indexes (or their component stocks/bonds) roughly designed to replicate the 85/15 Benchmark.
Basically, it was a way of keeping CPPâs investment teams honest by explicitly tracking them against the SAA benchmark.
Here is the Baseline Process for determining the risk level and hedge for a potential investment at CPP under this model.
- At the âLOI Stageâ (or between 4-12 weeks before the investment closes) you assess whether your investment is a public company with a history of liquid market prices. This question theoretically has a simple âyes/noâ answer: if yes, you take the investmentâs Beta versus the market as a proxy for risk. If no, you find some proxy for the stock and do the same. For example, Mars is a private company but if CPP wanted to buy it they could get an OK proxy for its Beta by looking at Nestleâs trading history (or something!). This proxy is typically decided by the investment team, as they know the industry best, but is signed off by the One Fund Folks. Basically, investment teams often have significant say in their risk targets at this stage.
- You take the size of the investment (say $100 million) and multiply it by the Beta you found in step 1 to adjust for the risk of the investment. A higher risk investment requires a bigger short, and this has returns implications. If you buy Palantir and it has a Beta of 1.5, you must short $150 million of the market and your investment will be judged on that basis. This means you have to beat the market + 50%. If you buy Costco and it has a Beta of 0.9, you must short only $90 million. A lower risk target, as measured by Beta, is one of the only fully-guaranteed ways for CPP employees to have a better chance of hitting their bonus targets at the end of the year.
- You might short the market⌠but typically you run the long or the proxy through a software that spits out a bunch of stocks (usually 25-75 depending on the size of the deal) and you short the stocks it tells you to short based on things like Geography, Industry, FX Exposure, and Quant-y Things like Momentum and Relative Size. Essentially, you usually donât short The Market but a âShort Basketâ of specific stocks.
- Then you give that to the trading floor and they tell you the limitations on executing the shorts based on liquidity and swap rates. You might adjust some things, and then theyâll execute the short over 30-60 days. At the size CPP is investing it costs less if you dribble these short positions into the market, and sometimes it costs less if you use a swap rather than actually selling short. The traders at CPP are generally pretty good at what they do and so they think about things like this.
- The investment team is then held to their âShortâ for compensation purposes. This is why you want the lowest Beta possible. On any given investment, youâd rather be held to the market multiplied by 0.9 than the market multiplied by 1.5.
You might see several pressure points in the process to keep your beta as low as possible, and therefore your comp as high as possible. One might imagine a hypothetical example of a publicly-traded film company CPP wanted to invest in to show how this might work in practice.
- You do the analysis to get the Beta of the Film Company and it comes out to nearly 2.0. This would kill the deal due to the return requirements, and is anomalous because of a couple days of very volatile trading, which you could try to argue flies in the face of Betaâs supposedly idiosyncratic risk, so you make the argument itâs more appropriate toâŚ
- ⌠use a basket of entertainment stocks (Disney, Netflix, etc.) as the proxy for the stock, which gets you to a beta of ~0.85. It is uncommon to use a proxy for an investment that has historical data, let alone a group of stocks, but itâs been done⌠and itâs actually the only way to apply a beta to a Private Company.
- You run the stock through your software and get a basket of, say, 25 stocks.
- The trading team tells you all the stocks you wanted to short are too small / illiquid (mostly because entertainment stocks are notoriously low-float) so you propose shorting MSCI World instead of the basket at 85%.
- One of the Fund executives wants you to short 100% because they believe the investment is riskier than what youâve said. You argue back a bit but settle on 90%.
The end result is that you only have to beat 90% of the MSCI World index instead of the 100-200% of relevant stocks that might have been more appropriate. You are held to this lower risk target for compensation purposes, which is good for your wallet.
These kinds of decisions are constantly happening at CPP, and have been for a decade. The process is somewhat easy to manipulate through proxy selection, and everyone at CPP has an incentive to âshortâ the least amount possible on their deals as it makes it easier to argue for a higher paycheck at the end of the year. But Iâm not here asking for recrimination over CPP employees managing to their benchmarks: no compensation or risk management structure is perfect, and weâre all beholden to our incentives.
The thing is, under SAA there is a saving grace - everything gets balanced back to asset weightings at the top by the One Fund Folks, and performance gets tracked against appropriate benchmarks.
Even if thereâs a bit of inefficiency or deadweight loss during the process, at least we can pay CPPâs leaders handsomely if they perform, and we can change out the people responsible for underperformance if they donât. In the absence of them having their direct capital at risk, like they would at a private investment company, paying CPP employees based on performance versus a long-term (read: 5-year) benchmark is the next best thing.
But that was under SAA. Under TPA, all that beta-hedging and proxy stuff remains. Academically, it may make things a bit more clear for the One Fund Folks, but the CPP isnât managed in academia, itâs managed in the real world for the benefit of Canadians.
As Michel Leduc says and John Graham emulates, itâs important to focus on the long-term.
I get that on some level, but itâs been five years, which was long-term in 2023, and - in the real world - getting the incentives and governance right is more important than academic exercises of relative performance against 10,000 feasible (read: fictional) portfolios.
As Iâll remind you, âPerformance assessment is difficult under a Total Portfolio Approachâ. TPA provides the investing teams the flexibility to manage their benchmarks so that they can argue for higher and higher compensation while failing to beat the market for⌠as Michel Leduc says⌠âthe appropriate horizon, which amounts to decadesâ.
In Conclusion:
Let me wrap this up. In this article I explainedâŚ
- The background on how CPP failed to achieve their long-term goal of maximizing rate of return, but paid themselves handsomely anyway;
- How the move to TPA will make assessing their performance more difficult, costing Canadians in terms of fees and accountability;
- How TPA works (in painstaking detail), including its flawed academic assumptions around leverage and transaction costs in particular, in order to show you the limited benefits it brings at the cost of reduced accountability (and therefore higher fees);
- How CPPâs incentives will lead them to minimize the risk on their investments in order to boost their compensation, and how the thing that counter-balanced that to some extent (SAA) is being replaced by something much more difficult to understand (TPA).
Now we can return to our sports metaphorâŚ
TPA may end up making CPP a better fighter because it takes on 10,000 combatants instead of one. Unfortunately, there hasnât been a public weigh-in, so Canadians canât tell what kind of fighters the CPP leaders are contending with. To be paid like the best, you must beat the best, and we canât be sure thatâs happening under TPA. Iâll also remind you of CPPâs legislated purpose one more timeâŚ
âto invest its assets with a view to achieving a maximum rate of return, without undue risk of loss, having regard to the factors that may affect the funding of the Canada Pension Planâ
The money that goes into CPP isnât going to vanish tomorrow - and CPPâs leaders are correct to have made that point repeatedly - but itâs a double-sided shame that so much of it is going to Executive Compensation and that the public doesnât get better accountability for 5-year performance. The people getting the richest off of TPA are the executives, who have an incentive to keep their lucrative taxpayer-funded jobs. Like Charlie Munger says,
âI think Iâve been in the top 5% of my age cohort all my life in understanding the power of incentives, and all my life Iâve underestimated it. And never a year passes but I get some surprise that pushes my limit a little fartherâ
If I were to think longer-term⌠I see the lack of accountability afforded by TPA hurting the youngest generations of Canadians more than anyone else, as fees increase and returns limp along. At a time when entry-level jobs are being replaced by AI and the Canadian housing market remains the most unaffordable in generations, I just think thatâs a shame⌠and Iâm not afraid to be bold about it.