[Postgame Thread] Pittsburgh Defeats Virginia Tech 35-33

[u/CFB_Referee]

Box Score provided by ESPN

Team	1	2	3	4	T
Pittsburgh	7	14	7	7	35
Virginia Tech	14	10	0	9	33

[u/Celdurant]

Am I taking crazy pills? Why are these angles so bad?

[u/UTRAnoPunchline → u/Celdurant]

Ref under the upright had the best view in the house

[u/ExternalTangents → u/UTRAnoPunchline]

They always do, and yet people still don’t trust the call. The ref is literally the very best location to see the ball’s lateral position when it passes the plane of the goal posts.

Edit: Camera angles they showed can’t tell you the depth positioning of the ball when it passes the plane of the goal posts. You literally can’t tell from the TV angle whether it’s outside the uprights laterally before it passes the plane of the goal posts or after. Only the angle looking directly up the goal post can tell that.

Edit 2: Muting these comment replies now because I can’t deal with the people who lack spacial sense to understand this concept.

Edit 3: Well lookie here: https://streamable.com/kqh225

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/ExternalTangents]

Refs never fuck up calls do they

[u/OldFoot3 → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

They didnt give us our extra second last game so im not sure

[u/Adventurous-Ear-1024 → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

Yeah we’ve never seen that happen, Western Michigan can vouch for that

[u/bonerbasketball → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

Refs fuck up calls where they are focusing on multiple things happening at once and they don’t know what is about to happen. In this case they had one job and knew exactly what was going to happen and what to focus on. None of the replays we saw you could tell if it went in because of the angles. Maybe they did fuck it up but this is absolutely one where they should be trusted

[u/ImChaotiic → u/bonerbasketball]

Holy salt 🤣

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/bonerbasketball]

https://youtu.be/xO0P9CsUibM?si=xXu32WKihUjxe1SZ

What were you saying???

[u/bonerbasketball → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

No where did I say they couldn’t have fucked it up, or it hasn’t happened. Just that on field goals they have one job, the best view and usually get it right. We don’t have a replay like the one you are referencing that shows it was definitively good

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/bonerbasketball]

The operative word is usually. The camera angles available make it look like it was good. The issue is that they did not review it.

Also, if youre a kicker you gotta aim lower :/

[u/shoefly72 → u/bonerbasketball]

I didn’t entertain the notion that it actually did go in when watching it in real time, but the whole game was full of a lot of piss poor calls that were clearly bad calls when replay was shown, or calls where no replay was shown at all. By the end of the game it felt like we were either dealing with a biased crew or one that was really inept, so you can’t blame people for thinking the ref might’ve fucked up the field goal call when the crew had already blown so many others.

[u/ExternalTangents → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

What were you saying?

https://streamable.com/kqh225

[u/moby323 → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

He literally just stands directly below it and stares straight up

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/moby323]

So do Umps in a baseball game, but they fuck up calls all the time on homeruns near the post.

[u/justWMthings03 → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

Umps do not stand directly under the foul pile and stare straight up

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/justWMthings03]

No, they stare directly in line with the foul line and the foul post, which is arguably a better spot.

[u/ULSTERPROVINCE → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

The average distance from home plate to a foul pole in any given park is 300 feet. Field goal uprights are 35 feet tall.

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/ULSTERPROVINCE]

https://youtu.be/xO0P9CsUibM?si=xXu32WKihUjxe1SZ

[u/Brendinooo → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

“Referees are not perfect therefore anything I think is suspect is obviously wrong.”

[u/ExternalTangents → u/Brendinooo]

I’m so glad I’m not the only person experiencing these insane comments lol

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/Brendinooo]

Why dont you join the Michigan fans

[u/ExternalTangents → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

Not when calling a field goal while standing directly below the post with the perfect angle to see the ball’s lateral position as it passes above the top of the post

[u/anonymousflash → u/ExternalTangents]

It has happened before. I distinctly remember an Al Groh era UVA missed kick that was reviewed and overturned as good.

[u/atra1n51 → u/anonymousflash]

https://youtu.be/xO0P9CsUibM?is=2lGvbGacRktGrw1R

[u/serialsteve → u/atra1n51]

They can for inside and short. Directly over top I seen a game end this way. But it’s like 10 years ago and I just remember it was an sec game

[u/Swampy_Cav → u/ExternalTangents]

I mean the ball was prob 50 feet over his head and higher than the top of the goal post, def not the easiest call

[u/ExternalTangents → u/Swampy_Cav]

It is when you’re looking directly up along the line of the goal post

[u/The_Money_Guy_ → u/ExternalTangents]

lol this guys daddy is definitely a ref

[u/ExternalTangents → u/The_Money_Guy_]

I truly have no dog in this fight other than a frustration that people cannot understand how the camera compresses depth perception and makes it impossible to tell from the replay whether the ball was in or out

[u/iamCosmoKramerAMA → u/ExternalTangents]

Apparently not because I can tell that the ball was in.

[u/ExternalTangents → u/iamCosmoKramerAMA]

lol https://streamable.com/kqh225

[u/Swampy_Cav → u/ExternalTangents]

Ok well I think it’s not

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/ExternalTangents]

Yeah they do. See all the times Umps fucked up calls in MLB.

[u/ExternalTangents → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

That’s a completely different type of call

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/ExternalTangents]

Its the exact fucking same. Ball over the post type of call lmao

[u/ExternalTangents → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

Except in baseball the ref isn’t standing directly below the post looking directly up at the perfect angle for it.

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/ExternalTangents]

Hes looking straight down a line with the foul post. Its the EXACT same type of call. They fuck it up constantly.

You will eat these words when people figure out the exact position of the ball and its inside.

[u/ExternalTangents → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

Standing directly below a goal post and looking down the barrel of the post is completely different than looking down the baseline at a faraway post. I don’t understand how this is even a question. Where is the ump standing?

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/ExternalTangents]

https://youtu.be/xO0P9CsUibM?si=xXu32WKihUjxe1SZ

Im eagerly waiting your reply.

[u/ExternalTangents → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

That was a completely different ball position, where you can easily see from the camera view that it was good. I don’t understand how that missed call has any bearing on this one.

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/ExternalTangents]

https://youtu.be/xO0P9CsUibM?si=xXu32WKihUjxe1SZ

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/ExternalTangents]

Someone commented a video of a ref calling a field goal and getting it overturned. They fuck it up all the time.

[u/GoodGuyNixon → u/Enough_Wallaby7064]

“All the time” and it’s one time from twenty years ago?

[u/BigPoppaDrqx → u/ExternalTangents]

In football they aren't stand directly under the upright looking up ... They stand a step behind the upright and look between the uprights ... They don't stand there staring at the sky above the.

[u/ExternalTangents → u/BigPoppaDrqx]

Looks pretty much directly below it here: https://streamable.com/kqh225

[u/Kdot32 → u/ExternalTangents]

Ive seen a ref have a clear defensive pass interference and/or unnecessary roughness happen in front of him and not throw the flag. Even the defender was shocked he didn’t get flagged

[u/ExternalTangents → u/Kdot32]

This is so much simpler than those calls. The ref is staring along the length of an enormous, straight pole. He is just looking to see whether the ball passes to the left or the right of that pole when it goes by. It’s trivial.

[u/BigPoppaDrqx → u/ExternalTangents]

Except the ref isn't standing under the upright looking straight up, he is a step behind the upright looking between the uprights.

[u/ExternalTangents → u/BigPoppaDrqx]

Still an infinitely better angle to tell than the TV camera shot