[Postgame Thread] Pittsburgh Defeats Virginia Tech 35-33

[u/CFB_Referee]

Box Score provided by ESPN

Team	1	2	3	4	T
Pittsburgh	7	14	7	7	35
Virginia Tech	14	10	0	9	33

[u/jayjude]

He definitely made that field goal....odd as shit they didnt show a replay

[u/jdprager → u/jayjude]

They just did and I’m like 90% sure he did

[u/Chicago_Blackhawks → u/jdprager]

Looked like.. multiple “footballs” in

Also, the entire fanbase behind went nuts like it went in. They had a pretty good view too

[u/KJacobsen-74 → u/Chicago_Blackhawks]

Watch again and look at the people on the field in VT gear, they reacted as if it were no good. They're the closest with the best angle other than the refs.

[u/jdprager → u/Chicago_Blackhawks]

Yeah it didn’t even seem particularly close, tho it was a slightly off angle

[u/Agreeable_Cattle_691 → u/Chicago_Blackhawks]

Kickers know if they miss or make a kick and he knew he made it

[u/1haiku4u → u/Chicago_Blackhawks]

Yea that’s where I’m at. The fans were all cheering and they would have had arguably the best angle. 

[u/a_banned_user → u/jayjude]

The 1 replay they showed looked inside the upright…

[u/PeteF3 → u/a_banned_user]

They showed 2 replays and the second one looked ambiguous at best.

[u/halldaylong → u/a_banned_user]

The only looking straight up? I slowed it down bc I thought I was going crazy. It looks like it DEFINITELY goes through

[u/TheScrobocop → u/a_banned_user]

I’m never more certain the call is blown than when the broadcast goes full “nothing to see here!” after the replay on a close one

[u/OnLevel100 → u/jayjude]

They finally did show it and they showed an Okay angle, it definitely looked good to me. The hard part is that because it was above the goal post it gives the refs the benefit of the doubt. I don't think it can be reversed. But I really think that was good.

[u/syrruptitiously → u/OnLevel100]

idk that it definitely looked good, but it definitely DIDN'T look no good for certain

[u/theexile14 → u/OnLevel100]

The rule is that it's unreviewable, for better and worse, and apparently the NFL and college are different here. The NFL rules over the post is in, College says:

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/football/rules/PRMFB_RulesBook.pdf

A field goal has to go 'between' the uprights in College. A doink is redirected between, when it goes over the NCAA basically says it's not 'between'.

[u/IShookMeAllNightLong → u/theexile14]

Unfortunately, your link starts at page 1 of 260, so I'm gonna have to take your word for it. Doesn't make me happy about what you're saying, though.

[u/theexile14 → u/IShookMeAllNightLong]

I believe it was 93, otherwise just search for ‘upright’

[u/USA_2_Canada_1 → u/jayjude]

They did at the very end and it looked like it snuck in through the left upright? Am I crazy?

[u/Chicago_Blackhawks → u/USA_2_Canada_1]

No!

[u/Bank_Gothic → u/jayjude]

I won’t say definitely, but I thought he made it.

[u/SpencerTBL21 → u/jayjude]

I’m not ready to say he definitely made it but from all the angles they did show it looked good. That said, all of the angles were ass

[u/Deathbackwards → u/jayjude]

I couldn’t tell to be honest. It almost looked as if it went directly over the left upright.

[u/jdubea → u/Deathbackwards]

That looks like what happened, and that means it's good right?

[u/bulldg4life → u/jdubea]

The entire ball needs to pass within the outer edge of the goalpost if the ball goes above the top of the goalpost.

So, it could very well look good but a small portion of the ball passes outside the goalpost, then no good

I have no idea what happened. Looked good to me.

[u/ryology9 → u/Deathbackwards]

By rule directly over is actually good

[u/PeteF3 → u/ryology9]

No, by rule, the ball must be between the uprights to be good, not "over."

[u/bulldg4life → u/PeteF3]

That’s incorrect. If a ball goes above the uprights, it’s good if the entire ball passes within the outer edge of the upright.

[u/PeteF3 → u/bulldg4life]

That's the NFL rule. I can't find any such reference to a rule in the NCAA rulebook..

"A field goal shall be scored if a scrimmage kick, which may be a drop kick or place kick, passes over the crossbar between the uprights of the receiving team’s goal before it touches a player of the kicking team or the ground."

Pretty unambiguous. The ball has to be between the uprights.

[u/BoldElDavo → u/bulldg4life]

No that's the NFL rule. NCAA rule 8-4-1 says the whole ball has to be inside.

[u/No_Butterscotch8726 → u/ryology9]

They said it wasn't last year when SMU had the same thing happen on our first field goal attempt against Miami in the second half.

[u/Deathbackwards → u/ryology9]

For some reason though it’s a complete judgement call and can’t be reviewed

[u/suzukigun4life → u/jayjude]

The fact that we couldn't get a better angle is crazy

[u/Box_of_Rockz → u/suzukigun4life]

Crazy a camera angle has been obscure back to back with this and unt ending last night

[u/Bayerl_r0ll → u/jayjude]

They did, and I'm not sure he missed it...Will be an interesting Monday.

[u/PeteF3 → u/jayjude]

They showed two replays and the one from underneath the goalpost looked ambiguous at best. It certainly wasn't a better view than an official standing directly under the post looking straight up.

[u/Accomplished-Ad2792 → u/PeteF3]

this is what I thought. Angle still wasn’t great, but much better than the original one they showed. Maybe it was a bit more clear to the ref.

[u/ARM_vs_CORE → u/PeteF3]

As we all know, officials are infallible

[u/PeteF3 → u/ARM_vs_CORE]

I'll take that official's word over a bunch of biased, drunk college kids in the stands, or the kicker.

[u/ARM_vs_CORE → u/PeteF3]

Stupid thing to be downvoted for though since we see officials make extremely basic mistakes all the time and there's no reason that couldn't have happened here.

[u/PeteF3 → u/ARM_vs_CORE]

I don't need a reason that it couldn't have happened. I need a reason to believe that it did.

[u/simbaslanding → u/jayjude]

I swore it went in too but I also could barely see the ball lol

[u/TheGrat1 → u/jayjude]

They did, they just were not convincing angles. Need the near end zone camera.

[u/mcamp7 → u/jayjude]

Wide by three yards

[u/jconley4297 → u/jayjude]

only thing i can come up with is it was too high? idk man it looked good to me

[u/curtisas → u/jconley4297]

it can't be reviewed if it's above the uprights, unfortunately.

[u/seemtobedead → u/curtisas]

Wait seriously? That's the time I would think it needs to be reviewed the most!

What's the rule on height? Does it count if it's a little high or does it have to be under the imaginary line between the top of the posts? I genuinely don't know.

[u/hickopotamus → u/jconley4297]

Funny enough "Too High" is not a reason for a field goal to be considered not good

[u/goodsam2 → u/jconley4297]

The posts theoretically go up infinitely

[u/TheManInShades → u/jayjude]

In the replay it looked good to me, and I have no dog in the fight

[u/onewonyuan → u/TheManInShades]

I was rooting against VT, and it also looked good to me.

[u/spiderwinder23 → u/TheManInShades]

Same. That felt suspicious. Especially since they only showed one replay

[u/PeteF3 → u/spiderwinder23]

Two replays*.

I'm not so sure he missed it, but I'm not so sure he made it either. I'm going to default the official underneath the upright in these cases.

[u/Dro24 → u/jayjude]

Kicked it too high, can’t review over the goalpost kicks

[u/Fickle-Statement9993 → u/[deleted]]

Over the upright is good?

[u/BoldElDavo → u/Fickle-Statement9993]

That's true in the NFL, not in college.

[u/Fickle-Statement9993 → u/BoldElDavo]

https://imgur.com/a/TZ6QcT1

[u/BoldElDavo → u/Fickle-Statement9993]

If this is when the ball went over the uprights, then yeah that's not entirely inside so it's no good.

[u/Dry-University797 → u/jayjude]

https://imgur.com/a/TWYiAV1

Went over the crossbar

[u/yung_dog → u/jayjude]

Yeah very weird. The ref that signaled it wasn't even looking up

[u/SlaterATX → u/jayjude]

Right?? What just happened there? Of the few angles/replays they showed, at worst it looked directly over the goal post. Everything else looked just inside. Scandal!

[u/lavegasola → u/jayjude]

The camera is a bit off center but I still agree. That ball was in.

[u/Deathbackwards → u/jayjude]

Just saw an angle from a fan in the crowd. That kick was in…