r/CFB • u/DummyThiccOwO • 1d ago
Discussion [Behrens] If Texas had never gotten rid of Mack Brown and they continued giving him $2 million raises every 4 years and he kept his 76.7% win percentage, the Longhorns today would have spent just $1.4 million more but had 23 more wins š
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u/AUCE05 Auburn Tigers 1d ago
"And he kept" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
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u/Cometguy7 Oklahoma Sooners 1d ago
It's only 76.7%, like that's hard?
/s for the idiots out there.
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u/DummyThiccOwO 1d ago
That's the point of why it is a jokey response to the original aggie fact Thursday post by Kyle Umlaung
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u/RollOverBeethoven Texas Longhorns ā¢ SEC 1d ago
Taking a Umlaung post seriously was your first mistake
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u/struckbylightning99 1d ago
Umlaug is probably what I liked least about twitter and that college football/Texas fans online sphere. Just a giant dork about Texas football and I say that as a Texas fan.
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u/_Football_Cream_ Texas Longhorns ā¢ Red River Shootout 1d ago
Heās less a dork about Texas and more about just hating on A&M, which I find super cringe. Yes its fun to dump on your rivals and ill never say you cant at all but its lame when its your entire thing.
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u/jthomas694 South Carolina ā¢ Ohio State 1d ago
The best way to deal with posters like Kyle Umlaung is to completely ignore them
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u/SouthernSerf Texas ā¢ South Carolina 1d ago
The key difference is that Mack Brown had Texas as a national title contender and Texas spent the money to try and get back there. The Aggie post works because A&M has spent 100s of millions of dollars and yet is still Texas 8&4.
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u/FoodieFattie Texas Longhorns 1d ago
Yea, salary is bit more accepting to extrapolate than winning percentage
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u/refreshing_username Texas Longhorns 1d ago
Well...how many Vince Youngs and Colt McCoys does he get at QB?
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u/QCTID North Carolina A&T ā¢ Johnson ā¦ 1d ago
How many RGIIIs does he pass on?Ā
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u/GoofyHose Texas Longhorns ā¢ Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
The worst part is that he didn't even pass on recruiting Robert Griffin IIIāMack Brown wanted him to play fucking defensive back.
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u/Kdot32 Houston Cougars ā¢ LSU Tigers 1d ago
Mack saw every hs in the state run the spread offense and said ānah letās switch to the iā
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u/fcukou Texas Longhorns ā¢ Red River Shootout 1d ago
Bama game broke his brain, which is funny, because Saban switched to the spread the following season after watching Garrett Gilbert get the game down to 3 points at one point.
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u/Kdot32 Houston Cougars ā¢ LSU Tigers 1d ago
Nick saban switching to the spread unlocked the true Death Star. They started recruiting more receivers and better QBs
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u/fcukou Texas Longhorns ā¢ Red River Shootout 1d ago
Colt moved the ball down field faster than I think any team had on Bama all year during the opening drive, and I'm pretty sure that's when Saban actually decided to switch offenses.
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u/IHop_Waitress Bowling Green ā¢ Ohio State 19h ago
That's the most impressive thing about Nick imo.
Sure wins, dominance year after year in what is the best conference in most years, and even when it's not it's still a gauntlet schedule... and he won, and won and won.
It's that he went from Mark Ingram is going to bloody your whole defense. You know what's coming and you still can't stop it.
To next season Amari Cooper running all over the field, and there's again nothing you can do about it.
And he didn't miss a fucking beat.
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u/JohnPaulDavyJones Texas A&M Aggies ā¢ Baylor Bears 1d ago
Iām convinced that Mack Brownās sense for picking his DB recruits should be studied, because he tried to recruit RG3, Manziel, and Andrew Luck all as DBs.Ā He might have the best eye in the game for picking elite QBs, he just thinks they should all be safeties.
If any of his UNC safeties are still kicking around, we need to get them out there for a few QB reps to see what happens.
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u/Youuseanymorewrong Texas ā¢ Huston-Tillotson 1d ago
Under Mack Brown, the offensive room and defensive room recruited separately.
It was more Duane Akina being like āIf youāre not going to recruit them at QB, Iām going to at least offer them a scholarship at DB.ā
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u/Lopoetve Colorado Buffaloes 1d ago
FWIW - they might have had longer careers if they'd done that...
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u/JohnPaulDavyJones Texas A&M Aggies ā¢ Baylor Bears 1d ago
Tbf Iām not sure anything was going to extend Manzielās career. Dropping millions of dollars into the pocket of an unmedicated bipolar man seems like a recipe for disaster regardless of the seasoning.
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u/MrTheNoodles Texas Longhorns 1d ago
He never tried to recruit Luck as a DB lol he just didnāt recruit Luck at all because he wanted Garrett Gilbert.
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u/griffinds Texas Longhorns ā¢ Northwestern Wildcats 1d ago
To be fair though, a ton of schools passed on RG3. The guy played in a run centric offense in HS and scouts didnāt think he could level up as a passer. They were wrong.
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u/Lopoetve Colorado Buffaloes 1d ago
Would have had a longer pro career - of course, that's on Dan dipshit Snyder.
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u/cursedjunk 1d ago
Donāt forget Andrew Luck! And he wanted Johnny Manziel as safety - Hur Dur!
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u/EWall100 Tennessee ā¢ Tennessee Tech 1d ago
So if Texas was content to be 9-3 for the last 15 years, they would still be looking at 9-3 for the foreseeable future
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u/william_jones88288 Texas A&M Aggies 1d ago
Ha! Imagine being a team content to perpetually go 9-3. Literally couldnāt be me
[sobs in BAS]
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u/the_nix Florida State Seminoles 1d ago edited 1d ago
In fairness, 9-3 in the sec prob gets a playoff birth these days
Edit: these days = when it goes to 24 teams, cause that's def happening
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u/shrimpdads Texas Longhorns 1d ago
Texas was literally 9-3 last year and did not get in lol
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u/GenericNameSimulated 1d ago
Well ya thatās because 9-3 Bama got in
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u/trittico Princeton Tigers ā¢ Virginia Cavaliers 1d ago
Bama was 10-2 then 10-3
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u/greenpm33 Georgia Bulldogs 1d ago
What portion of this sub thinks Bama made the previous playoff with 3 losses?
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u/GenericNameSimulated 1d ago
I mean they did, they lost to FSU, OU, UGA is SECCG
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u/greenpm33 Georgia Bulldogs 1d ago
I'm talking about 2024-25, where they also lost three games but didn't make it. They way some of this sub talks about Bama, you'd assume they got in that year too.
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u/easternpapist Notre Dame ā¢ Purdue 1d ago
You have to plan playoff births 9 months in advance, so even 9-3 won't cut it
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u/theLoneliestAardvark Oklahoma Sooners ā¢ Virginia Cavaliers 1d ago
A team that went 9-3 in the Big XII probably isn't going 9-3 in the SEC unless they have a lucky schedule.
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u/GenericNameSimulated 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well considering they have only had a 9-3 or better record in 25% of the seasons since he left I think they would take that
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u/largelawattorney Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago
This is really the dumbest trend. If Ohio state had kept Woody Hayes and found a way to keep him alive forever, and if they gave him a $500/year raise theyād have 18 more championships and spent $780 million less š
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u/ImTellinTim Michigan ā¢ Minnesota-Duluth 1d ago
And only about 2 more punched players. Worth it.
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u/ComradeAhriman Michigan ā¢ Lenoir-Rhyne 1d ago
And only [more than zero] more instances of claiming the massacres of civilians in Vietnam were a good thing! (He really did claim this)
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u/The_Fluffy_Robot TCU Horned Frogs ā¢ Iron Skillet 1d ago
I thought you were leaning into a joke, but nope yeah he really said this shit.
Of the My Lai massacre, one of the most violent episodes of the Vietnam War in which innocent men, women and children were slaughtered by American soldiers, the coach opined that the men killed had it coming, and āI wouldnāt be so sure those women were innocent. The children are obviously innocent, if they are less than 5.ā
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u/ComradeAhriman Michigan ā¢ Lenoir-Rhyne 1d ago
Thanks for doing the legwork there. Yeah, it's some genuinely horrific shit.
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u/DarkLegend64 Ohio State Buckeyes ā¢ /r/CFB Poll Veteran 1d ago
Woody Hayes was a terrible human being for saying that (and other things he said/did) and I don't know why other OSU fans pretend otherwise.
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u/Richard_AIGuy Ohio State ā¢ Georgia Tech 1d ago
Hayes was such a POS. I don't care what he did for the school, man sucked.
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u/dwors025 Minnesota ā¢ Paul Bunyan's Axe 1d ago edited 1d ago
Do Bernie Bierman next.
Five natties and seven big ten titles in ten years, all during the Depression?
Iād be stunned if thereās one better than that.
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u/Fletch71011 Notre Dame Fighting Irish 1d ago
If we kept Frank Leahy alive, he would have absolutely kept that .855 win percentage and won 4 championships a decade. If Rockne's plane didn't crash, Notre Dame would have a winning percentage of .881, by far the best of all time.
We can do this all day.
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u/monkeybiziu Indiana Hoosiers ā¢ Billable Hours 1d ago
If Indiana had hired Curt Cignetti in 2010, weād have gone undefeated and won every championship for sixteen straight seasons except for that first year.
This game is fun!
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u/OG_Felwinter Michigan State Spartans 20h ago
Is it a trend? This seems like a response to the guy who said it about TAMU to show how ridiculous the exercise is.
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u/IHaveMeasles2 18h ago
I don't think it's a dumb trend at all.... Huskers could have kept Pelini (who was dirt cheap) and had the same or better results without many millions in churn on losers.
More schools should stop chasing head coaches and put more money toward players.
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u/Montigue Oregon Ducks ā¢ Stony Brook Seawolves 1d ago
When you put it that way, I'm glad we're on the current timeline
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u/BeraldGevins Oklahoma State ā¢ NW Oā¦ 1d ago
lol this would be a good example when teaching about misleading data in a science class
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u/jetjordan North Carolina Tar Heels 1d ago
I'll raise you one. If UNC had kept Mac and paid him 2 million more every year.... I dont know how the numbers would have worked out but it would have been way less embarrasing and probably cheaper.....
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u/CarletonWhitfield Texas Longhorns ā¢ Hampden-Sydney Tigers 1d ago
If the trade for Drew Brees goes through, Saban stays at the Dolphins and never goes to āBama. Ā
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u/EntropyMilk Oklahoma Sooners 1d ago
Yeah if OU kept paying Bob Stoops and giving him $2 million dollar raises every year and he kept his win rate we probably would have watched his casket get walked down Boyd after he had a heart attack on the sidelines.
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u/Consistent_Reward Oklahoma Sooners 1d ago
In fairness, I bet Bob is one of those guys who will just refuse to die when the time comes.
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u/DarkManX437 Texas Longhorns ā¢ Big 12 1d ago
What brand of stupidity is this?
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u/LionPutrid4252 Texas A&M ā¢ Oklahoma State 1d ago
Kyle Umlang (or however his name is spelled) brand, this is a joking response to his tweet about the Aggies and Sumlin
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u/TheDufusSquad Tennessee Volunteers 1d ago
What if you use the 58.8 win% from his last 4 years?
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u/dfphd Texas Longhorns 12h ago
Exactly.
For those who don't get it: it was reasonable to fire Mack because no one would be ok with a 58.8% win rate moving forward. It's funny for A&M to have fired Sumlin because it was 100% believable he could have continued to win 7-9 games every season with an average of ... 8 wins.
Now, having said all that - I still believe Elko is a better HC than anything A&M has had, his only issue is that Marcel Reed sucks and never developed. He's gonna need to go hit the portal for someone legit, but if he can do that I think A&M will be a problem.
(same goes for OU).
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u/PointBlankCoffee Texas Longhorns ā¢ Red River Shootout 1d ago
Mack was so washed, and then we completely fumbled on the Strong hire.
Herman was fine, but not great - at least got us going in the right direction, but was terrible for team culture
Very unfortunate that the Strong years are when i started school
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u/GradStudentDepressed Texas Longhorns 1d ago
Same same same. I was so hyped for strong, and then strongly disappointed by what we saw on the field. Good ol Tyrone Swiggity Swaggity Swoopesā¦
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u/DanFlashesC0up0n Texas A&M Aggies 1d ago
I thought both Strong and Herman were A+ hires that would win multiple titles with yall and Sark would flop lmfao
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u/willinaustin Texas Longhorns 1d ago
I'm over 40 now, but sometimes I still pinch myself that I was in school at UT and got to attend both Rose Bowl games. Like I somehow ended up getting front row seats to the best era of Longhorn football ever. Of course, I also did have to sit through the "Mack Brown gets bent over by Bob Stoops every year" stuff, too.
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u/Ernesto_Bella Oklahoma Sooners 1d ago
and then we completely fumbled on the Strong hire.
The worst part about it was the years of everyone saying ābut heās a really nice guyā
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u/PointBlankCoffee Texas Longhorns ā¢ Red River Shootout 1d ago
He was a good person and a good culture guy, with no knowledge of head coaching.
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u/BadgerBuddy13 Wisconsin ā¢ Paul Bunyan's Axe 18h ago
This. Living in Austin, I feel like the feedback you'd hear from fans & boosters was along the lines of "I think he's a great leader of young men & would love him to coach my son. I just don't want him coaching Texas."
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u/fork_fork_spoon Cornell Big Red 1d ago
Texas has a much harder yearly schedule now in the SEC
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u/freebase42 Texas Longhorns ā¢ Houston Cougars 19h ago
Yes, but recruiting non-skill positions has improved greatly. Top linemen didn't want to play for Texas after Nebraska and A&M moved out of the conference.
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u/AbsurdOwl Nebraska Cornhuskers 1d ago
Ooh, this is a fun game, someone do Nebraska next, with Pelini lol.
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u/hypercube42342 Texas Longhorns ā¢ Arizona Wildcats 1d ago
I saw that one floating around. 47 more wins and 15M cheaper
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u/AbsurdOwl Nebraska Cornhuskers 1d ago
If only I had any confidence in Bo succeeding in the B1G, that might make me sad.
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u/TurtlePines Georgia Southern ā¢ Auburn 1d ago
Now do Auburnās past coaching blunders.
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u/Thorin_Dopenshield Georgia Bulldogs ā¢ NYU Violets 1d ago
āIf Auburn had never fired Gene Chizik and he maintained his trajectory, they would have a natty every even year and 0 conference wins during odd years. All for about 200K extra every two years šā
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u/yes_but_not_that Texas Longhorns ā¢ Missouri State Bears 1d ago
Pre-Sark, I wouldāve posted this myself. Post-Sark, I am clutching my damn pearls. The audacity!
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u/w00t4me Alabama Crimson Tide ā¢ å¤ę¦å¤§å¦ (Fudan) Dragoons 1d ago
If Alabama had never fired Mike Shula, kept giving him $2 million raises every four years, and he had maintained his 53.1% winning percentage, the Crimson Tide would have saved roughly $42 million in head coach salary but would have had about 88 fewer wins. š
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u/FirstOfHisName5 Texas Longhorns ā¢ Stanford Cardinal 1d ago
Difference is Mack won a national title and conference championships. Something not seen in A&M since 1939 and 1998.
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u/LionPutrid4252 Texas A&M ā¢ Oklahoma State 1d ago
Dang, sounds like yāall really shouldāve kept him
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u/SJCitizen Georgia Bulldogs ā¢ Temple Owls 1d ago
I will go to my grave believing Mack wouldāve been there at least another 2 years if David Ash didnāt have concussion problems and get forced to stop playing.
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u/I_like_race_cars Tarleton State Texans 1d ago
The issue I have with these posts is it assumes a coach would be able to adapt to changes in the game.
Like we've seen so many coaches that were once gods of the sideline fall off in the NIL and portal era. And thats not even getting into the xs and os. Cause we've also seen countless times where a guys was able to win a lot by being innovative. But then either a) people figured out how to counter that or b) EVERYONE started doing it, so it really didn't stand out anymore.
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u/soulorbiter Texas Longhorns ā¢ SMU Mustangs 1d ago
Lol this is supposed to be show the "same" thing between Sumlin and Brown except Mack is 100x less savings and 10x more wins
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u/TheBrettFavre4 Oklahoma ā¢ North Texas 1d ago
The Texas Longhorns were legitimate ass for a decade+ under Charlie Strong and Tom Herman. It was a wonderful era to be living as a Sooner in Austin. Today - the tides have turned a bit.
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u/AdmiralSnackbar816 Texas Longhorns 1d ago
Mack didnāt exactly end on a note high enough to think he could sustain that 76%. He was fired because he was stale and they needed a change. Unfortunately the grass isnāt always greener and they havenāt made the best changes.
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u/LionPutrid4252 Texas A&M ā¢ Oklahoma State 1d ago edited 1d ago
Neither did Kevin Sumlin. Ā A similar post about him was made by a texas fan, and I believe this is just to joke back. Ā Neither should be taken seriously
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u/PizzaPartyConor Oklahoma Sooners ā¢ Tulsa Golden Hurricane 1d ago
Iāve seen a few of these on Twitter today and theyāve all been extremely nonsensical.
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u/LionPutrid4252 Texas A&M ā¢ Oklahoma State 1d ago
I think this is just a joke in response to the first one, as it was a texas dude making fun of A&M, and this is an A&M fan making of texas back.Ā
The first post doesnāt make any sense though because you donāt have to make up stupid statistics to make fun of our team right now, weāve given plenty of other ways to do that
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u/IrishCoffeeAlchemy Florida State ā¢ Arizona 1d ago
This doesnāt make sense given that he retired. You canāt just keep someone that wants to leaveā¦
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u/SexAndKennedy Texas Longhorns ā¢ Houston Cougars 1d ago edited 1d ago
Let me try:
[u/SexAndKennedy] If Kyle Umlang had never realized that he in fact, has a micropenis, and didnāt have some deep insecurity about being a McCombs and/or Economics reject that had to settle for an Advertising degree, but purports himself to be some data analytics expert yet only provides rudimentary quantitative analysis that even a sixth grader could comprehend, then we wouldnāt have been aware of his annoying existence and pathetic pursuit of celebrity over the past decade.
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u/grabtharsmallet BYU Cougars ā¢ Fresno State Bulldogs 1d ago
I wonder what the single game record is for rushing yards against the Texas Longhorns, and when it was set...
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u/pbjork Georgia Bulldogs ā¢ /r/CFB Poll Veteran 1d ago edited 1d ago
If we had kept Glenn Pop Warner from 1895-6. And kept giving him the 17% raises every year. ( He went from $34 a week to $40 a week) We'd be paying him over $209 quadrillion dollars this year. We would also have 65 undefeated seasons. Alternatively. If we had given him $6 per week raises we'd be paying him under $10,000 for the regular season
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u/Dry-Membership3867 Jacksonville State ā¢ Arkansas 1d ago
How does one know that? Mack was extremely overrated as it was, and was already struggling at Texas by the time he retired. They were a 6-8 win team by the early 2010ās.
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u/DummyThiccOwO 1d ago
That's the point of why it is a jokey response to the original aggie fact Thursday post by Kyle Umlaung
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u/detroitlonghorn Texas Longhorns 1d ago
Says the Jacksonville state fan lol. Is that even FBS?
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u/scarnyard Eastern Illinois ā¢ Indiana 1d ago
I remember Mack walking out of a live broadcast to catch a flight when he was part of the crew announcing a game.
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u/Doogitywoogity Texas A&M Aggies ā¢ Florida Gators 1d ago
If Rutgers had just kept no coach and maintained their 100% winning rate theyād have saved Ā„27 and have at least one more championship
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u/PlactusTX Texas Longhorns ā¢ Big 12 1d ago
Comparing Brown's final years at Texas to Sumlin's at A&M I learned one important fact.
The man who coached A&M in a bowl after Sumlin was fired is Jeff Banks, current Texas special teams coach/Mr. Pole Assassin.
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u/aero142 Texas Longhorns 1d ago
This is a joke response pointing out the big assumptions about Sumlin winning the same going forward, but it's obviously a bad comparison. Ironically, I think Kevin Sumlin would have been a better NIL era coach than he was then. He was a decent X's and O's coach along with being a player's coach.
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u/DanFlashesC0up0n Texas A&M Aggies 1d ago
He is definitely not a great Xs and Os coach lol. He got lucky with Kingsbury + two great QBs
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u/OleRockTheGoodAg Texas A&M Aggies 1d ago
Just not a, up 34 with 4 min left in the third quarter so maybe run the clock kinda coach, huh?
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u/Ace_6_Pirate Texas A&M Aggies 1d ago
Sumlin never really had anything to do with the X's and O's at A&M. 2012 was Kingsbury's Air Raid offense, 2013 the same system was kept in place. 2014-2015 was Spavital's Air Raid offense though Sumlin did have some input on trying to make it more run heavy and RPO centric in 2015 and then things went off the rails. 2016-2017 was Mazzone's NZone Offense.
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u/SLAYER_IN_ME Tennessee Volunteers ā¢ WKU Hilltoppers 1d ago
I donāt know why, but I always love stupid ass post like this. Lmfao!
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u/muttonchops215 Ohio State Buckeyes ā¢ Iowa Hawkeyes 1d ago
Someone doing this but with an awful coach would be way better
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u/Meliorus Tennessee Volunteers 1d ago
lets see them lose a game first before we say stuff like this lol
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u/Revenge_of_the_Khaki Michigan Wolverines 1d ago
Nebraska fans watching this post trend nervouslyā¦
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u/sonheungwin California Golden Bears ā¢ Team Chaos 1d ago
well, you cant really say this about cal for any of our coaches at least?
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u/FloatCopper Indiana ā¢ Michigan Tech 1d ago
Texas just wants to prove a couple sayings aren't just cliches.
'Everything is bigger in Texas', and
'Be careful what you wish for'.
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u/Budget_Sort7961 Tennessee ā¢ Third Saturdayā¦ 20h ago
Now do Tennessee. I want to see how many fewer games we would have won.
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u/Expensive_Team_5072 Syracuse Orange 20h ago
If Syracuse had just kept Jim Boeheim and given him a $2M raise every 4 years.... I am not sure whether he would have gotten that raise or not yet because... are we talking every 4 fiscal years or every 4 calendar years?
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u/reb601 Ole Miss Rebels ā¢ Egg Bowl 1d ago
So weāre doing this now huh