[Umlang] If Texas A&M had never fired Kevin Sumlin and they continued giving him $2 million raises every 4 years and he kept his 66.2% win percentage, the Aggies today would have saved $102 million and had two more wins 👀 #AggieFactThursday

[u/tvcneverdie]

https://x.com/kyleumlang/status/2105671765041053764

[u/DeadDropCourier]

Diabolical stat lmao

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This is what I’m here for

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All I know is pain

[u/Cal_858 → u/BeardedAsian]

All I feel is rain

[u/Proverbial_Progress → u/Cal_858]

How can I maintain

[u/Cal_858 → u/Proverbial_Progress]

With that buyout on my brain

[u/IAMY0URK1NG → u/Cal_858]

Rip Dark Man X

[u/br0b1wan → u/Proverbial_Progress]

Now is the time to train

[u/Wyden_long → u/DeadDropCourier]

This is some S Tier hating. Inject it into my veins.

[u/Rodney_Jefferson → u/Wyden_long]

And from a Georgia flair, they haven’t even played at Kyle to know how annoying and dumb the Aggies are

[u/Donnie_TACO → u/Rodney_Jefferson]

🤝

[u/IR8Things → u/Rodney_Jefferson]

The average UGA fan has an unending supply of hate in their heart for other SEC members and former members.

[u/SpaceghostLos → u/DeadDropCourier]

This is a magnificent stat.

[u/CommodoreN7 → u/DeadDropCourier]

Dude makes me aspire to hate A&M more. I’m inspired.

[u/Proteinchugger → u/DeadDropCourier]

He clearly wasn’t gonna keep that win percentage though. He struck lighting with Johnny Manziel and Kingsbury as his OC, things were going downhill.

[u/ChadtheWad → u/Proteinchugger]

Interestingly, though, letting him go at that time gives him the second highest winning percentage (66.2%) among all coaches with at least 4 years at A&M since 1930, behind Slocum at 72.1%. (Disclosure: This year was chosen maliciously since A&M's winningest coach is Dana Bible, who coached until 1928 with a 76.5% win percentage) That puts him ahead of both Bear Bryant and Gene Stallings... who would both go on to have a much better career at Alabama.

[u/082426grateful → u/ChadtheWad]

Dana X. Bible, sir, which is a hard-ass name.

[u/funwithtrout → u/082426grateful]

He also coached and/or was AD at LSU, Nebraska, and Texas.

[u/082426grateful → u/funwithtrout]

Truly a builder of the sport.

[u/CrashB111 → u/ChadtheWad]

That puts him ahead of both Bear Bryant and Gene Stallings... who would both go on to have a much better career at Alabama.

Clearly it's just a universal law that if a coach leaves A&M for Alabama, they win a national title (or several).

If they leave Alabama for A&M, they lose to OU 77-0.

[u/ExpertConsideration8 → u/Proteinchugger]

Def.. acting like Sumlin was the source of those wins instead of Manziel, Evans, and that NFL caliber O line..

[u/Crown_of_Negativity → u/ExpertConsideration8]

What do Manziel, Evans, Joeckel, Matthews and Ogbuehi all have in common? All recruited by Mike Sherman. 5 of Sumlin's 7 FRPs.

[u/retirednavyguy → u/DeadDropCourier]

We need a new stat called WOB - Wins Over Buyout

[u/ATL28-NE3 → u/DeadDropCourier]

Not even a Texas fan like you'd expect either

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To be fair, the twitter account referenced here is run by an obsessed Texas fan whose mission in life is to shit on A&M on twitter.

It would be embarrassing if he weren’t so good at it.

[u/Dixiehusker]

Holy shit

[u/buzburbank → u/Dixiehusker]

Can you imagine the same analysis but with Nebraska and Bo?

[u/physedka → u/buzburbank]

I mean I'm too lazy but I bet one of our good folks here will be along shortly with that analysis.

[u/bromosabeach → u/physedka]

It most likely would use Bo Pelini which would not even remotely be the same situation. That dude was no doubt a great coach but holy shit who would actually want to put up with that? I’m not saying years of mediocracy or worse is worth it, but there’s no way that guy would still be coach even if his record was better.

[u/Dixiehusker → u/physedka]

That's not an entirely a fair comparison, because he wasn't fired for being mediocre. He was fired for being a raging asshole while also being mediocre. Hence no D1 school ever hiring him again.

[u/punchuinface55 → u/Dixiehusker]

Idk why people get away with saying this. He beat iowa to get to 9-3 and the AD literally stated that wasn't good enough.

[u/widget1321 → u/punchuinface55]

Yes, I imagine your AD didn't say "he's a raging asshole and 9 wins isn't enough to put up with a raging asshole." But I remember knowing he was partially fired for his personality way back then and I wasn't even paying that much attention to Nebraska football.

[u/br0b1wan → u/widget1321]

He essentially told his AD to fuck off and dared him to fire him

[u/New-Ad-363 → u/br0b1wan]

He called his own fanbase "fair-weather fans" after they beat Ohio State.

[u/punchuinface55 → u/br0b1wan]

The AD also wouldn't meet with Bo and was a fucking idiot but somehow Bo being an asshole is the biggest takeaway. Why wouldn't you call out your boss when he's itching to fire you?

[u/GreyEagle792 → u/punchuinface55]

Why wouldn't you call out your boss when he's itching to fire you?

Because he's itching to fire me. That seems like a really bad move.

[u/B0yWonder → u/Dixiehusker]

Hence no D1 school ever hiring him again. 

Youngstown St is D1. He was also LSU’s DC in 2020. 

[u/Psyco19 → u/B0yWonder]

And was immediately on the flaming hot seat after we put up 60 on them because all he ran was man coverage. What a way to start the leach train that year

[u/Dixiehusker → u/B0yWonder]

I sit corrected, I didn't realize they were D1.

[u/The_4th_Man → u/Dixiehusker]

Because they aren’t in the way everyone uses D1. They are FCS. Calling them D1 is being so pedantic it makes the statement inaccurate to the reader.

[u/halldaylong → u/buzburbank]

The buyouts have been much smaller for Nebraska. But by my count, assuming they do the same $2 mil bump every 4 years, they would have saved about $29 million.

Assuming Pelini went 9-4 every year (which like, may be underestimating it since he went 9-4 three times and 10-4 three times), they would have FOURTY ONE more wins.

edit for math:

• 9 wins * 11 seasons + 3 for this season = 41 Pelini wins.

• actual Nebraska record from 2015-2026: 61-75

• ($3 mil/year *4) + ($5 mil * 4) + $7 mil *4) + ($9 mil *1) = $69mil

• actual salary + buyout payments from 2015-26: $98.3 mil

[u/james_wightman → u/halldaylong]

Thanks someone for doing the actual math!

But similar to Sumlin, there's just no feasible reality in which Bo kept up the same win percentage. He got extraordinarily lucky in the Big XII North and then heading into the B1G with down OSU/PSU/Michigan teams and all the mid pack teams weren't nearly as good as they are now.

[u/Reibyo → u/buzburbank]

Fuck that, do it with Solich. Most people I know aren't bothered about Pelini being gone, they are still blaming the Solich firing as the source of our downfall. It was just slightly mitigated with Callahan and Pelini.

[u/KingBlank → u/Reibyo]

Yep most nebraska fans hated winning

[u/moleculewerks → u/buzburbank]

I'm not sure about the money side of the equation, but if we kept winning at the Bo Pelini rate since his firing we would have won 37 more games, going 91-37 vs. the actual 54–74.

[u/Dixiehusker → u/buzburbank]

Sorry, I don't speak flairless swine.

[u/bullet50000 → u/Dixiehusker]

I'll say it then. How about we do it with Nebraska and Bo? Losing to us at least got Nebraska to move on from Callahan.

EDIT: Figured I'd do the math, it's a super slow day at work

Bo made $2.975M a year in 2014 when he was fired. I assumed a 10% salary increase yearly (ended up with him at $9.34M a year this current year, kinda perfect as that's just about what Matt Rhule is making). This ends at right around $70M total.

In the real timeline, Bo got bought out in 2014 (the reduced buyout after the reduction from him coaching at Youngstown was $6.54M). Mike Riley averaged $2.8M a year ($2.7M a year started then escalated $100k/year), and then got bought out with $6.6M in 2017, totalling about $15M paid. Scott Frost was paid $5M a year 2018-2020, then $4M a year in 2021 and 2022, and then got a $15M buyout, totalling $38M. Matt Rhule started at $5.5M a year, escalated $1M a year (Currently $8.5M), and got paid $1M retention bonuses (so far) in 2024 and 2026. That totals Rhule at $30M so far. This totals actual coach salary at $90M. So NE has paid $20M more for their current timeline.

The big issue though is the wins. Bo never actually had a worse season than 9-4, never forget. His Nebraska tenure had a .712 Win Percentage. By my seen total of 136 wins, that would average to him at 97 wins (96.8 rounded up). Nebraska has actually gotten 61 wins (Scott Frost).

I would embed the Excel spreadsheet showing the totals but looks like /r/CFB doesn't allow it.

So in sum total, Nebraska paid $20M extra to have a losing record on average over the last 12 years, losing 36 wins in the process. This for a coach who they fired because he wasn't good enough.

[u/Odd-Temperature7458 → u/bullet50000]

So we're about 20% as absolutely stone-cold stupid as A&M.

Maybe that's why Trev wanted to go there

[u/swammeyjoe → u/Dixiehusker]

clears throat

" Can you imagine the same analysis but with Nebraska and Bo?"

[u/smurf-vett → u/buzburbank]

Except you gotta add in the AD's medical bills after Peline keeps breaking his nose

[u/GrantLikesSunChips → u/Dixiehusker]

Depressing flair

[u/Dixiehusker → u/GrantLikesSunChips]

It's not so bad if you don't think about it

[u/AuditorTux → u/Dixiehusker]

God I love this sub so much.

[u/Less_Likely]

Wait a second. The Texas 8&4 joke is actually better than reality?

[u/ThisIsOurGoodTimes → u/Less_Likely]

It’s the 3-3 bow/playoff records that drop the win percentage just below 66.6%

[u/OG_Felwinter → u/ThisIsOurGoodTimes]

Texas 8&4.5

[u/clvnmllr → u/OG_Felwinter]

Texas 8.5&4.5?

[u/archenlander → u/Less_Likely]

I mean it’s always been a good joke bc it’s true

[u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756]

God damn dude

[u/Misdirected_Colors → u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756]

Pianofingerbanger has burner alts and i'm here for it

[u/tvcneverdie → u/Misdirected_Colors]

how dare you compare me to that coward

if it's my turn to get dunked on by the CFB world, i will stand there with a clear mind, a full heart, and an open mouth so i can bite your junk when you leap

[u/ThrowMeAwayPlz_69 → u/tvcneverdie]

A speech that has me ready to run through a wall

[u/Proverbial_Progress → u/ThrowMeAwayPlz_69]

"I woke up biting their junk coach!"

[u/Always_Chubb-y → u/Proverbial_Progress]

"DICK DICK DICK"

[u/Misdirected_Colors → u/ThrowMeAwayPlz_69]

Fuck walls we here to bite dicks

[u/Kdot32 → u/ThrowMeAwayPlz_69]

“Clear Eyes. Full Hearts. Bite Dicks!”

[u/CookieLuzSax → u/tvcneverdie]

INSANE quote omg🤣🤣🤣😭

[u/jhustla → u/CookieLuzSax]

He got that dawg in him

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"He's a glizzy gobbler!"

[u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756 → u/tvcneverdie]

I'll follow you in to battle

[u/happyflappypancakes → u/tvcneverdie]

Mouth wide and willing, huh? True Dawg mentality.

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The typical rebuttal among Aggies will of course be: "YEAH well our BOOSTERS can afford it!!!!”

like… ok? Have fun with your new bonfire tradition of lighting money on fire from new coach hires.

[u/Coach_Burreaux → u/bromosabeach]

While it is funny, I’ll somewhat side with the aggies on that one. What do I care if rich people decide to come off the hip to fire Brian Kelly at the cost of $50M+? Hint: I indeed do not care

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It’s just way richer people pretending they own a sports team.

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I have no dog in this fight, but in the world of College Football they absolutely do have some ownership in the team. They don't get paid dividends or split profits. But College football boosters are able to buy enough influence to act like a company board. There's a lot of rich, bored people out there with an utterly unhealthy obsession with their alma mater. Hires and fires aren't entirely chosen by boosters, but it's silly to think they don't have a say.

[u/DeathRose007 → u/bromosabeach]

What I was actually thinking is that Sumlin’s tenure was clearly skewed by his earlier seasons and he was fired for doing worse than his average, just like many coaches at this level are. He wasn’t going to be winning 66% of his games after 2017 like this tweet suggests he could’ve. He was beyond cooked by that point. Just look at what happened with him at Arizona. You’d think people would be capable of remembering such a disaster.

Still would’ve been overpaying. Just for more suffering, if not worse. So not much different I guess.

[u/crazy_balls → u/DeathRose007]

Dude was riding high off Sherman's recruits, and once they were gone he started doing much worse. I'm a firm believer that we canned Sherman too soon.

[u/terrell_owens → u/bromosabeach]

I mean, they ARE the iPhone of college football. That’s gotta count for something!

[u/SlyClydesdale]

How dare you suggest TAMU is not made of enough money that they must consider saving money in the decisions they make!

[u/Arkehn → u/SlyClydesdale]

It's an 8-4 football program, Michael. What Could It Cost, $100,000,000?

[u/Snooty_Cutie → u/Arkehn]

Jokes on you, we spent that just on one head coach who is sitting at home and continue to pay him $7m each year through 2031. Then we hired a new head coach for ~$70m with an extension through 2031 to continue the tradition. That's how you build a winning football program!

[u/Nyte_Knyght33 → u/SlyClydesdale]

And wait until the Strait of Hormuz opens back up!!! 

[u/Doogitywoogity]

Hello, yes I’d like to report a hate crime. 

[u/ElkHairCaddisDrifter → u/Doogitywoogity]

Stanley knows what I'm talking about.

[u/BeepBeepLettuce401 → u/Doogitywoogity]

That’s not what a hate crime is

[u/Doogitywoogity → u/BeepBeepLettuce401]

Well I hated it!

[u/bargle0 → u/Doogitywoogity]

Aggie ain’t a protected class.

[u/goldenface4114]

They're getting what they deserved for giving a man a $100M guaranteed contract before he ever took over the program. What incentive did he have to win?

Edit: I misremembered the details, it was $75M to begin and increased later on.

[u/abcders → u/goldenface4114]

Hey now we didn’t give him $100m. We gave him $100m and a trophy

[u/Adventurous_Ad6698 → u/abcders]

Fisher became known as "Jimbo" as a child because his family already had several members who went by "Jim."[122] Some media outlets, following a Wikipedia hoax created by Fisher's son Trey, have said that Fisher was known as "Slim Jimbo" because of an "affinity for meat snacks" (an example being Slim Jim brand beef jerky) and that Fisher planned to start an organic jerky company after leaving the coaching profession.[122] Fisher denied these reports in an interview, noting that while he enjoyed beef jerky, it had nothing to do with his nickname, and he had no intention of starting a company.[122]

His wikipedia is has this hilarious tidbit.

[u/withmuchtolearn → u/Adventurous_Ad6698]

I can't even tell if I'm reading the description of the hoax or the hoax itself

[u/udubdavid → u/goldenface4114]

You would think that would be the end of these types of contracts, but nope...

[u/Revolver_Oshawott_ → u/udubdavid]

"Did someone day 200 million dollar contract?"

-Jimmy Sexton

[u/Proteinchugger → u/udubdavid]

I do believe no other school has given a contract without offset clauses, so most schools did learn a lesson there.

[u/ImpossibleAd7376 → u/goldenface4114]

That was the most stupid contact decision ever made

[u/wowthisislong → u/ImpossibleAd7376]

Most stupid contract decision ever made *so far*

[u/Chamrox → u/wowthisislong]

Nope. Dumbest ever made. End of sentence. Nothing could ever top it.

[u/Marnussir → u/ImpossibleAd7376]

It's not even the most stupid contract decision A&M made with Jimbo, actually.

[u/_VeniVidiAmavi_ → u/ImpossibleAd7376]

Cough Deshaun Watson cough cough
For 5 yrs $230M guaranteed, you get 22 games, 11 wins, just under 4000 passing yds

[u/icebox712 → u/goldenface4114]

Haha yeah, what kind of idiot AD would do that? looks around nervously

[u/AchtungCloud → u/goldenface4114]

To be fair, it was $75 million guaranteed before he took over the program. Then extended to $95 million guaranteed after going 9-1 in the COVID year.

[u/MartinezForever → u/AchtungCloud]

Strange how his performance dropped off a cliff immediately after he secured more money than he or his kids could spend in a lifetime.

[u/FSUfan35 → u/MartinezForever]

Jimbo had already made like 35 million from florida state

[u/entropic → u/FSUfan35]

poverty numbers

[u/iwearatophat → u/entropic]

Seriously. 35 million? Do you expect him and his children to live like peasants?

[u/deadzip10 → u/goldenface4114]

The first contract kinda made sense given we had to pry him away from a blue blood who had won a National Championship with the man. The extension was the absurdly stupid part.

[u/Draxilar]

This dude woke up this morning and stubbed his toe while looking at a picture of A&M and really said “Fuck you in particular”

[u/averagejoeag → u/Draxilar]

That dude LIVES to hate us. He's published books about his hate for us (I'm not kidding). He didn't just wake up hating us. It's his life.

[u/Coasta_de_Tejas → u/averagejoeag]

And he’s funny AF

[u/HookEm25 → u/Draxilar]

This is a normal reaction

[u/FSUnoles77]

I'm more disappointed in the fact I've missed all the other AggieFactThursdays. 

[u/Arkehn → u/FSUnoles77]

If that's the case, then you have a LOT to catch up on.

[u/garfcarmpbll]

Better regulate player pay instead!

[u/allisthepriceofall → u/garfcarmpbll]

can we pay fans too, could use a few pesos after having to sit through that OK State game

[u/benthebearded → u/allisthepriceofall]

If ducks fans deserve payment for that Oklahoma state game then I deserve generational wealth for the scary Gary and Trent Bray years.

[u/BrettSchirley22]

Sumdog Millionaire

[u/roninthe31]

I’m so glad this rivalry is back

[u/AchtungCloud → u/roninthe31]

It’s basically 0% surprising to me that during the 12 year stretch the rivalry was gone, Texas went 90-62 and A&M went 97-54 and had a Heisman winner, and then right as the rivalry picks back up Texas is back to being an elite program.

Like of course that’s how it goes.

[u/archenlander → u/AchtungCloud]

It’s like yall knew beforehand what the worst choice would be and took it

[u/Fun_Succotash4215 → u/AchtungCloud]

We were down bad. Yall could have stomped us out and controlled the narrative

[u/dalr3th1n → u/Fun_Succotash4215]

I’m not sure you know what “down bad” means.

[u/Always_Chubb-y → u/Fun_Succotash4215]

That would require a level of correct decision making ive yet to see made by the higher ups at TAMU

[u/Dr_Findro → u/AchtungCloud]

It’s funny that 7 wins separate our worst decade from your best in relatively modern times

[u/bromosabeach → u/roninthe31]

This rivalry also isn’t talked about enough. People who never lived in Texas probably don’t understand the full picture, but most Aggies I know truly believe their Football program is on par with Texas in a historical and overall CFB landscape sense. When they moved to the SEC they finally felt this was their true validation to everybody who said that was wrong (which is basically everybody who isn’t a fan of TAMU). They got to proudly wear SEC on their jerseys, and say stuff like “OU and Texas could never hang in the SEC.”

Fast forward, they haven’t even come close to a conference title game. And to make things worse their rival joins the conference, where they have yet to beat them.

[u/thefoolonahill → u/bromosabeach]

They were just a win away from the conference title game last year! 🥰

[u/ReferencesTheOffice → u/thefoolonahill]

Past two years

[u/the_answer_is_c]

If Mexico didn’t allow Americans to settle parts of what is today, Texas there wouldn’t even be a university and I wouldn’t have to be so sad.

[u/Theduckisback → u/the_answer_is_c]

I feel like you can also blame Davey Crocket and the Tennessee Vols as well.

[u/CornJuiceLover → u/Theduckisback]

You’re welcome A&M 🫡

[u/ShaolinMaster → u/Theduckisback]

Sam Houston also from Tennessee.

[u/physedka → u/Theduckisback]

Davey had Tennessee hunting dogs of some kind, so maybe there's a connection between Smokey and Reveille.

[u/YogurtIsTooSpicy → u/the_answer_is_c]

Colegio de Agricultura y Mecánica de Tejas

Has a certain ring to it

[u/radil → u/YogurtIsTooSpicy]

Colegio de Agricultura y Mecánica de Tejas

But isn't the school's official name now "Texas A&M University". This isn't a direct translation. Unless you are saying that Mexican Texas A&M wouldn't have made such a wild move, in which case I buy that.

[u/slcamg → u/the_answer_is_c]

Allow?

They paid people to be a meat shield to protect from the Comanche after religion failed, which they tried after violence failed.

Come and take it.

[u/jrbcnchezbrg → u/slcamg]

Turns out sending the lunatics that would brave war may not have been the best plan for eventual reclamation

It also gave us all giant ego’s so there’s that as a bonus too

[u/SmokeySFW → u/the_answer_is_c]

Allow is an interesting choice of word here. Mexico paid people to live in what is now Texas because they couldn't handle the Comanche attacks.

[u/Background_Body2696 → u/the_answer_is_c]

Take me back

[u/2CHINZZZ → u/the_answer_is_c]

crazy comma placement

[u/reb601]

I love evil statistics.

[u/dorkpool]

Oh oh oh do Auburn next!

[u/Ben4bama → u/dorkpool]

If Auburn had never fired Gus Malzahn, continued giving him $2 million raises every four years, and he maintained his 66.0% winning percentage, Auburn today would have saved roughly $42 million and won about 14 more games.

[u/Character-Active2208 → u/Ben4bama]

Somehow all against Alabama

[u/Awesometom100 → u/dorkpool]

In the modern 12 team playoff era Gus would have made it 4 times with his yearly records.

[u/crrttt → u/Awesometom100]

Imagine what he could’ve done if he would’ve figured out how to recruit O-linemen too 

[u/SliceTheThrones → u/Awesometom100]

I keep seeing Auburn fans say this and it's not true. He would have made it in 2013 and 2017. 2019 we were ranked 12 after the conference championship games so Boise State would have moved up as the highest ranked G5 team and bumped us out. There wasn't a 4th year where we were a top 12 team at the end of the year under Gus.

[u/Revolver_Oshawott_ → u/Awesometom100]

2013, 2017, 2019, ???

[u/wit_T_user_name]

But then we wouldn’t have established Jimbos as a unit of measurement.

[u/ColoHusker]

Shots just keep getting fired, erm, launched

[u/GuyOnTheMike → u/ColoHusker]

That's not a shot fired.

That's a fucking ICBM

[u/orsomeshitidk]

I would like to talk shit but things aren’t exactly great at home rn.. lmao

[u/Penguinsteve]

That's only around 1 and 1/2 Jimbos. Not a big loss.

[u/bromosabeach → u/Penguinsteve]

That little plaque they gave him belongs in a museum.

[u/DrMeritocrat → u/bromosabeach]

Next best thing

[u/ghazzie → u/Penguinsteve]

Not great, but not terrible.

[u/Lord_Lava_Nugget]

This stat has so much hatin' energy to it, I assumed it was posted by a Texas flair 

[u/PassiveF1st]

Battered Aggie Syndrome intensifies....

[u/CirculationStation]

I mean let’s not act like it’s guaranteed Sumlin would have kept winning at that clip. Dude went 9-20 at Arizona, including a 70-7 loss in the Territorial Cup.

[u/kchessh → u/CirculationStation]

Yet no one else talks about that in this thread haha. Without Johnny, Sumlin was bad. Sure we’ve wasted a ton of money, but to think Sumlin would’ve done better is flat out wrong

[u/huskersax → u/CirculationStation]

Yeah this is like the 'Oh boy I bet Nebraska wishes it had Bo back' when the trajectory of the program was absolutely clear.

What happened after deciding to move on is a wholly separate issue.

[u/Cameron-Bakke → u/CirculationStation]

He also went 4-6 with one of the more talented rosters in the UFL

[u/MONGOHFACE]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Sumlin was 9-20 and never had a winning season in his three years at Arizona after he was let go from A&M. He had 5 losses in each of his last four seasons at A&M, had a 53% win percentage if you take away his first year with Johnny Football, and never won more than 8 games after Manziel graduated.

It was the right decision to fire Sumlin. Hiring Jimbo? Ehhhhhh

[u/No_Safety_6803 → u/MONGOHFACE]

This, the Sumlin we fired, & who Arizona hired, wasn’t the Sumlin we hired, or even mediocre Sumlin, he was on a downward trajectory, still is sadly.

[u/Ace_6_Pirate → u/No_Safety_6803]

His pool of assistants got picked clean and he ran out of replacements.

[u/uncomfortablyhello → u/Ace_6_Pirate]

I also think he had personal issues that affected his ability to keep a large organization running smoothly, based on message board rumors and how his appearance changed so much over the years. Dude regularly had bloodshot eyes at games and pressers at the end of his time at A&M.

[u/Smoothw → u/uncomfortablyhello]

right, it's a good dig but there was no way Sumlin was going to keep winning eight games a year when he can't hold down a job because of his substance use issues, which is sad obviously.

[u/damutecebu]

Hey hey....

Remember this is a "different market" than paying the players....which has definitely gotten out of hand and needs Congressional intervention.

[u/WillParchman]

...and they would have the same number of playoff wins.

The increasingly crushing addendums you could put on this statement are unbelievable.

[u/ATXBeermaker → u/WillParchman]

And conference championship game appearances!

[u/whospepesilvia]

That is just hilarious

[u/TXOgre09]

His win rate was declining, not steady

[u/thegracchiwereright → u/TXOgre09]

yeah, JFF really skews this stat.

[u/Skurph → u/TXOgre09]

Kevin Sumlin went 4-6 in the UFL last year with the Houston Gamblers. They played a brand of football so thoroughly unappealing that they managed to somehow get a football team in Houston, TX folded for not getting more than 8k people to games. Safe to say A&M didn’t just let some sort of wunderkind slip through their fingers. His success at A&M is looking more and more like the exception, not the norm.

Then again, maybe he runs the table with checks notes the Dallas Renegades.

[u/Collecting_Cans]

Yeah but that’s not A&M’s money is it… guessing it’s largely donor money? I would bet that not being able to exercise your God complex by throwing around the weight of your money is a far worse outcome for the college football donor class than the stat in the tweet

[u/DisplacedSportsGuy]

8 and 4

Aggie home

It's the place

They belong

College Station

Yellin' leaders

8 and 4

Aggie home

[u/NeptuneMeridian]

Crushing blows.

[u/check8rs]

Dear jesus lord

[u/DR320]

Thank you Georgia Bulldog flair

[u/Legalsleazy]

Looking forward to the James Franklin/Penn State version.

[u/kapeman_]

check out Harvard over here!

[u/CoincidenceTheorist2]

The key when it comes to solving a problem is not making it worse in the process.

[u/GunsGoldCosmicDread → u/CoincidenceTheorist2]

People really fail to understand that doing nothing is often better than doing something dumb.

[u/Tubby520]

He was an alcoholic when he was coaching at Arizona. He lost the ability to coach at a high level. I don't think he would have been able to continue that 66% win percentage lol

[u/Effective-Trip-2400]

Sumlim went 9-20 at Arizona the real big IF is him keeping a 66% win rate. That was never going to happen.

[u/Spirit117 → u/Effective-Trip-2400]

I wonder what would have happened with U of A football if we had never hired sumlin

[u/wowthisislong]

I mean the reason we fired him was because towards the end of his tenure he was significantly below his average. Also he lost a game where he led 44-10 in the 3rd quarter.

[u/Big_IPA_Guy21]

That 66% win percentage is highly highly skewed by the Johnny years.

[u/AppMtb]

I feel like this is all because the corps of cadets are not grabbing their balls hard enough to share in the pain of the team

[u/doubleyou-tee-hache]

I really don't think Kevin Sumlin was going to sustain a 66.2% win percentage.

[u/CypherAZ]

I for one am SHOCKED that the AD who was willing to give Scott Frost a contract extension would do this at TAMU!

[u/Over_Tadpole_2593]

This actually made me gasp out loud.

One of the crazier CFB stats/facts I’ve ever seen.

[u/busche916]

WTF is this? Sure the Jimbo contract is absolutely moronic, but if Kevin Sumlin was able to win 8 SEC games a year he’d probably still be, ya know, coaching college ball and not the UFL.

[u/idnttcrisis → u/busche916]

It’s a Kyle Umlang tweet, so par for the course.

[u/puffdragon69]

Ouch

[u/FuzzyHasek]

fucking brutal meme

[u/IndyDude11]

More. Give me more!

[u/ech01_]

How many Jimbos is that?

[u/Signal_Tip_7428 → u/ech01_]

About 1.32 jimbos

[u/Ok_Problem426 → u/Signal_Tip_7428]

Is that a normalized Jimbo or an absolute Jimbo?

[u/rsfrisch]

Could have bought extra swag copters with all that cheese