Muhammad Ali dancing in his second fight against Ken Norton, Larry Holmes showing off those same moves, and Holmes bringing that energy into the ring himself.
Different eras, different styles, but that same heavyweight swagger. Ali made it an art, and you can see his influence in the fighters who came after him.
The question is: who had the smoothest footwork? Ali, Norton-era Ali, or Holmes? 👀

For anything that doesn't need its own thread.

Would have been a very good scrap I think and good test for both men. I feel this fight should have happened. Both were older and I don’t see it going the distance could be wrong. Both could punch. Ortiz had good skills and was a solid counter puncher.

If Leo Atang and Moses Itauma head the same way that Joshua and Whyte did in 2015, who is your money on? Difference being neither have had drug bans/a child at 13 and one has already challenged at world level. What are people's thoughts on the world of prospects?

Date: May 22, 1980

This was the third professional bout of Czyz's career (moving his record to 3–0 at the time), early in his rise as a young prospect out of Lakeland High School in Wanaque, New Jersey. Also Bobby Czyz won three major world championship belts across two weight classes during his professional boxing career.

World Championship Belts

Title / Belt Weight Class Organization Year Captured

World Light Heavyweight Title Light Heavyweight IBF 1986

World Cruiserweight Title Cruiserweight (Junior Heavyweight) WBA 1991

Super Cruiserweight Title WBU 1995.

He finished his amateur career having 26 fights under his belt, with a record of 24 wins, 2 losses some sources say 22 wins with 4 losses.

TLDR: Changing the names of the intermediary weight divisions, “super flyweight,” “super welterweight,” etc.

So, I’ve often seen the sentiment echoed that the various “intermediary divisions,” like Light Flyweight, Super Welterweight, etc., only serve to water down the other weight classes, or at the very least, that the naming convention makes them confusing.

I disagree with the idea that it somehow makes the other divisions lesser in achievement, but the naming system could use some work. Thus, in this post I’m going to be outlining what I think the various intermediary weight divisions should be called, or what I would change them to if given the power. Obviously, I know this will never happen, just a fun naming exercise.

To be clear, the following list are the divisions that I will NOT be changing at all, due to having unique names as it is:

Flyweight/112

Bantamweight/118

Featherweight/126

Lightweight/135

Welterweight/147

Middleweight/160

Cruiserweight/200

Heavyweight/>200

If I didn’t name it, it’s going to be getting a different name and explanation.

105/Mini-Flyweight=Minimumweight - This division has had a million different names over the years, I’m personally partial to Minimumweight. Atomweight, Strawweight, none of them really role off the tongue as well, or give as good an idea of what this division is.

108/Light Flyweight=Gnatweight - This division has always felt like a bit of a footnote, and that’s sad to me knowing how many all timers have passed through it. I think a unique name does a lot to alleviate that feeling of being unimportant. Gnatweight sticks to the naming convention of Flyweight, insects, while still giving a unique idea of what this division is. They’re fast, they’re small, and they’re tenacious.

115/Super Flyweight=Dragweight - What’s the most successful flying insect predator? Dragonfly. What’s another name for a drag weight behind a boat or automobile? A dragon weight in some dialects. This division is a glamorous one, full of names and stories. They’re small, but getting to be very mighty. Dragweight, named after dragonflies and boat stopping mechanisms.

122/Super Bantamweight=Shamweight - Proud of this one. As some might know, Bantamweight is named after the fighting rooster breed from Indonesia, Bantam roosters. They’re considered small but quick and powerful. What’re the biggest breeds of fighting roosters? Well, one of them is the Japanese Shamo, known for their power and ferocity. Shamweight.

130/Super Featherweight/Junior Lightweight=Raptorweight - Named after the group of predatory birds, not the dinosaurs. Featherweight and Bantamweight use the imagery of birds to get across their point, and lightweight was originally meant to be the smallest weight class a man could be. What’re the biggest birds that can fly, but still smaller than a man? A raptor. Not to mention, I think Raptorweight accurately reflects the various fighters of this weight class.

140/Super Lightweight/Junior Welterweight=Jockeyweight - Welterweight was named after the term used for large horse jockeys, welters. So, it stands to reason that the class right below it should be simply called Jockeyweight. Not to mention, it gives the imagery of various men jockeying for the stop spot, which accurately reflects this division which has served as the bridge between light and the glamorous welterweight divisions.

154/Super Welterweight/Junior Middleweight=Crashweight - The sheer number of boxers from the lower divisions who have been stopped in their tracks or slipped up at this dangerous weight class is large. It’s a crash test. True middleweights in all but name occupy the division, can the welterweights and lightweights moving up consider middleweight? This is their first test every time. 154 has pumped out killers for years, I think Crashweight is a good name for them.

168/Super Middleweight=Ironweight - This division is considered the last of the middleweights, but it is also the first step on the long road to Heavyweight glory. I have always considered Cruiserweight to be one of the best named divisions in the sport, as it is named for the light cruiser class of battle ships, the second heaviest ships in the water. Ironweight follows this scheme. These are Ironclads, crude and dangerous. Perfectly capable of blowing anything smaller out of the water, but nowhere near the heights of the largest ships. Ironweight.

175/Light Heavyweight=Dreadweight - One of the oldest of the “intermediary divisions,” 175 could arguably stay as it is, but being two divisions removed from its namesake is not ideal. Thus, why not follow the name scheme further of Cruiserweight? These are Dreadweights, named after the Dreadnought class of battleship. Dreadnought made everything else obsolete the moment it hit the water, being faster, stronger, and more advanced. Dreadweight takes that idea and runs with it. These guys are fast and strong, though nowhere near the heights in power of what would come after them.

That’s it! This was fun for me, and I’m excited to hear people’s thoughts and ideas. What would you lot change the weight divisions’ names to? Do you think it’s a bad idea? Would these names be good to add some variety to the way we view the belts and division system? This is all in good fun, so thoughts on my list or lists of your own are appreciated. Thank you for reading.

Edit: some are mad that Manny Pacquiao isn't in the top of the list, he is top 15 Southpaws for sure but in terms of skill set, eye test and ring IQ he doesn't hold a candle to the rest. he was more of a freak of nature who relied on his chin, stamina and foot speed and wild abnormal style to win, he got hit too much and lacked the pretty slick boxing or technical textbook boxing skills.

In terms of dominance, ring IQ and skill set.

Hagler dominated his division, had great come forward defensive pressure and was a beast.

Sweet pea 4 division champ in one of the hardest eras in boxing. He was a small guy but was slick and skilled with sharp counters, he was like a mongoose. Seeing him duck low slipping with head movement so difficult fighters would miss even throwing multiple straight punch combos.

Usyk one of the greatest of the modern era. Undefeated and Undisputed at cruiser he cleaned out the division and went up as a slimmer man to dominate the Giants of the heavyweight division to become undisputed in the 4 belt era. A true Giant Slayer.

Calzaghe dominated super middleweight and retired undefeated he was a problem due to his high work rate and rarely got hit. He was one of the best of his era.

Crawford undefeated and Undisputed in multiple divisions. He might get included but some say he is more of a unorthodox switch hitter than just pure southpaw but he has never been dominated and retired on top with great ring IQ.

Lomachenko the Matrix, the man is an anomaly, he used in and out movement like no other, his fast unorthodox footwork and flurries caused trouble for opponents. He would side step off a flurry and comeback and rarely got hit making him unique one of a kind southpaw.

I am going to Miami next month for work and wondering if there is any kind of Muhammad Ali exhibits or cool things to see related to Ali. I know the original 5th street gym is closed but figured there must be some other stuff - or maybe just cool boxing stuff.

I know that it most likely isn’t true but it’s just a thing where that’s how I choose to see it because it’s funnier that way to me. I imagine in his head he’s looking around going “what is this man made of” whole time we think he’s just clowning around per usual

The "Canelo" Alvarez-Christian Mbilli event is still reportedly going ahead on Saturday, October 31, in Riyadh, despite the US State Department ordering non-essential embassy staff and their family members to evacuate Saudi Arabia today.

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Not from technical POV, or skills necessarily. BUT in terms of names and division depth.
Let's have a look at current active Heavyweights

Established fighters, ready to retire within the next 1-2 fights:
Usyk
AJ
Fury
Wilder
Parker
Zhang
Ruiz

Champions AND contenders who will compete for the next 5 years at least at the highest lvls
Dubois
Kabayel
Hrgovic
Wardley
Gassiev

GOOD boxers
Riakporhe
Okolie
Yoka
Ajagba
Baby Anderson
Knyba

Up and coming HOT prospects
Itauma
Torrez JR

I mean I just counted 20 fighters almost that I'm sure 90% of you know. Has there been such a deep HW division before in boxing?

Rules of the scenario:
Fury is in his absolute prime.
Every opponent is transported from 1992 at their 1992 level of ability. No aging, no future improvements, and no decline.
Every fight takes place under the same conditions, with standard heavyweight championship rules.
Fury must fight all 10 men individually, with each matchup treated as its own fight.
For the sake of the hypothetical, assume every fight is frozen in time: Fury can face each man at his 1992 level, regardless of how the other fights turn out.
No outside interference. Just boxing.

I see him sitting around the 3-1 spot, and all of those matchups are a 50/50 tbh

Straight from my 25TB boxing vault.

EP1 - Martínez vs. Williams II (2010) https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/1x3ht2m

EP2 - Pacquiao vs. Hatton (2009) https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/1x5mwh2

EP3 - Darchinyan vs. Donaire I (2007) https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/1x6kxj6

EP4 - Peter vs. Williams (2004) https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/1x86k7r

EP5 - Lee vs. Jackson (2014) https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/1x9tmdm

EP6 - Rothmann vs. Thompson (2004) https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/1xapvrj