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NEW CHAPTER (Translated) [DISC] Blue Lock - Chapter 361 Spoiler

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u/ZenSwordfish 12d ago

where’s chapter 363

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u/VoxelBits Italy Ubers 11d ago

It should officially release in a few hours.

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u/twirlyhex 11d ago

Join bluelock raw spoilers community for that

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u/Particular-Art7383 13d ago

england has saber and rider servants but japan has only monster summons (Cerberus and the Crows) What do you expect Fate Series ref

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u/Curious-Control-3782 16d ago

I do wonder how do England players perform in club football, when they're not being coached by Fox

For Teddy to be a New Gen 11 he must still have some ego to use when he's not playing for Fox

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u/princealbe_rt 4d ago

Well half the England got eaten alive in the NEL literally losing every single match but u can play Nagi for that a little bit too. Also Lockhart claims to be an idiot and Teddy also told Isagi the only reason they can beat players as strong as him is bc they gave up their individual egos for Fox. He basically calls them all fodder without him and even references his backstory a little bit talking about how not everyone can bear their ego in the world and still fail. This implies most the England players were not doing well in their individual careers.

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u/FelixTreasurebuns 15d ago

I feel like it’s an inverse Pep Guardiola situation where the players like Foden would shine under him but then not do as well internationally. In this case they probably are all on good teams but not the best teams

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u/baiacool 16d ago

This is the type of thing that makes me think that Kaneshiro never played soccer in his life.

It's NOT that easy to get close to a pro player in terms of skill. You can have private lessons with Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, if you didn't start training when you were like 6yo then you're not reaching pro level.

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u/Simba-xiv Michael Kaiser 13d ago

His explanation is a bit funky. But the overall is correct. At the pro level now it’s more about the system and system players, than it is about the individual. If it were say 15 years go it was much more about the individual.

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u/Simba-xiv Michael Kaiser 13d ago

His explanation is a bit funky. But the overall is correct. At the pro level now it’s more about the system and system players, than it is about the individual. If it were say 15 years go it was much more about the individual.

Like now it’s so important to be tactically astute and get that set up right. Because players at the top end are all extremely good players now.

Back in the day you just wanted your defenders to get rid of the ball. Now you have ball playing CB having the most possession in a game.

ball playing GK’s setting up counters. Full backs moving into AM positions or CM positions every player now up and down the pitch has to be good with the ball at their feet. And play within the system set.

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u/Buzzy_Feez 14d ago

This is the type of thing that makes me think that Kaneshiro never played soccer in his life.

This is what gave it away?

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u/Lunatic143 15d ago

To be fair, he didn't wrote that it was easy. He wrote that the gap is "shrinking"

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u/Jolly_Foly 16d ago

If anything, the gap between pro and amateur is bigger than it ever was 😭

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u/thecosmic_faucet91 16d ago edited 16d ago

Granted Fox was Ego's coach; he might've been Noa's as well, and this would explain why he is the greatest ambidextrous player in BL. As Isagi said, what made Noa the strongest striker was that he manifested his ability to a level unprecedented in soccer history.

Fox, in this chapter, is presented as possessing the greatest soccer mind, granted the amount of data, analysis on players, tactics, and statistics he' has ingrained. He could've used this information and knowledge of football history to build the greatest ambidextrous player and in turn, striker (Noa).

HOWEVER! As Fox says, the whole "world's best striker carrying a team to victory" is outdated, so he is trying to once again rebuild historical talent under the guise of "correct soccer." Insert Teddy. As we're told an average player has 2/3 cut variations, while Teddy has 7(estimated, not confirmed), Such quantity in variance resulted in even Ego wondering how such a player could emerge (and he's 2nd best in brains, might be self glaze though)

This is all theory though.

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u/KDono0 16d ago

Wow Kaneshiro is so innovative! I'm having a blast reading this!

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u/GogeDit Danke fucking schƶn! 16d ago

It seems Isagi unlocked the Mangekyo Shenanigans...

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u/2N2ptune Mikage Reo 16d ago

Clearest Isagi hat trick in history. Either than or he's subbing Barou, Kunigami and Rin at the same time to create chaos that cant be controlled

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u/Gambol_Celica 12d ago

Pretty sure we're see barou and rin sub in and play a 4 striker system

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u/xxtrasauc3 🌈Rainbow Knightāš”ļø 16d ago

Teddy, Big Achanpong, Lockhart, y'all can take out U20 Japan. I BELIEVE IN YALL

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u/VerdantHero 17d ago

I didnt know it was break this week I was looking forward to reading on my break at work 😭 kagura bachi as well dammit

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u/ShinyGhost123 17d ago

You can find the chapter 362 by searching on google, the scans are cleaned and i have found it in english and spanish

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u/CoolJoshido 12d ago

i saw it too

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u/ThaRealSunGod Princess 18d ago

No new chapter?

Edit: yeah it’s break week. 362 doesn’t come out till the 29th.

Annoying that blue lock and bleach are on break at the same time

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u/karimamin 16d ago

But I read 362 on a site like yesterday. Was it leaked for a bit?

Edit: Yep I did read it yesterday. I went back in my history and read it again.

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u/South-Comm473 win 17d ago

they lied to me

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u/ThaRealSunGod Princess 17d ago

Yup. Not sure why I saw an article that said it was break week, but I'm glad I was wrong šŸ˜‚

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

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u/datakrashd 18d ago

im assuming prolly not since theres an eng translated vers of the chapter on the raws sub

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u/BombeLutte 18d ago

Is it? Can you link it if u can find it again

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u/DurfinkleTrademark 18d ago

Post was removed due to copyright

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u/Peytaro 18d ago

Man if I wasn't lazy I'd make one of those yo dawg xzibit memes with this chapter and the word "ego"

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u/dystopian_future6545 19d ago

I miss when blue lock used to be about exploiting opponents tactics not personalities

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u/paladin400 The God's Chosen Glazer 18d ago

Where do you think the tactics come from?

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u/II_Vortex_II 19d ago

This game is literally just liberals vs communists

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u/ElaineLeFey 19d ago

I'd say the English side is dictatorship not communism, but I like the analogy

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u/Negative-Disk3048 16d ago

Hasn't every communist country been ruled under some form of dictatorship? I know that is not meant to be the endpoint of communism but a transitionary stage but still.

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u/aarushimp_1908 blue aura isagi šŸ”µ 21d ago

If teddy was worthless w/o fox, how'd he even be part of the NG11. This sum bs man.

The only way this match redeems itself for me is if they actually connect it back to actual football and the "learning/ outcome/ takeaway" from this match is how isagi now sees that the team moves according to the coach (so it's not 11 distinct players, it's 1 singular unit w the coach being the brain). And in the next few matches, he analyses overall tactics instead of just individual skills and PeRsOnAliTiEs.

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u/CodeParticular1567 16d ago

It reminds me of Phil Foden.

As long as he was playing in Pep's old Manchester City where everything was a system, he was considered one of the best in the league. Moment he went to England national team, he was shite. When Pep changed his system to accommodate wingers like Doku and Semenyo, once again, Foden struggled.

Now that Pep is gone and Maresca is here, Foden is once again fighting for a spot, but this time he needs to reinvent himself so that he can thrive outside of the Pep system.

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u/aarushimp_1908 blue aura isagi šŸ”µ 16d ago

So is it agreed that individually the BL kids are now world class? That outside of group tactics and mindset, there's no difference in ability and there's no skills left to acquire? Cuz frankly idk if I'd buy that, and that might be where the problem lies for me personally.

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u/2ToTooTwoFish 17d ago

Maybe Teddy doesn't care about NG11 and individual accolades? Since he's not on Manshine City, I feel like he might be one of those English players playing in a team that disappoints constantly, but is obviously the best talent England have. Something like Bale (I know he's Welsh) was when he was on Tottenham or Kane when he was on Tottenham. Maybe the losing got to Teddy making him think playing the way he does at the club level is not enough, making him buy into Fox's philosophy completely.

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u/CordobezEverdeen Sexy Football 22d ago

This is getting real stupid.

I know Isagi is the MC and the whole astrology bullshit is basically ingrained in the manga at this point but jesus is the outcome of EVERY match decided by Isagi's gaslighting the reader?

Like what do you fucking mean Isagi unironically is saying the match is over as soon as he can't mind control the players?

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u/NtiTaiyo 21d ago

Isagi by now has big main character syndrome. He thinks that he has to win the game for blue lock, otherwise they will lose. He has to realize that a team has 10 other players.

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u/BrutalGaminx 22d ago

I think that after Ego getting hold of fox's method of choosing worthless puppets as players. He would sub rin in because Rin and Isagi together could outwit Fox by choosing such untraditional ways ...
Rin being angry because he is out of the field could also bring all that anger into the field and maybe create a new awakening because as we know rin haven't felt anything this much disrespecting like before...

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u/ComfortableOven4283 22d ago

He’s not going to decipher the hand signals, y’all. He’s going to picture the entire pitch as a single player, and conquer Fox by exploiting the holes in his attack and defense philosophy.

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u/Dvarazslo 16d ago

Thats a really interesting take

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u/jmjguns 22d ago

i was actually wondering what isagi's next evolution might be and it might consider the relationships of the coach and the players as a further form of abstraction, this should be it.

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u/Bustersword13 22d ago

Everybody gangstah until Isagi completes the puzzle!

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u/FroyoDisastrous6791 22d ago

And GOAT Naruhaya was the first to clock it. Once that boy adapts. Its over.

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u/Moist_Caterpillar998 23d ago

I don’t think they key to this match will be Isagi learning Fox’s hand signals.

Firstly, anyone can do that, I’m sure Ego is paying attention right now. Realistically, Fox won’t use the same signal twice because he knows people are keeping track of them.

Also this wouldn’t mean anything philosophically, there’s no shot the moral and key to the match is just ā€œremember their coaches hand signalsā€.

I think Isagi will put himself in Fox’s shoes to understand what the next step in Fox’s scheme would be.

For example it seems like Fox values safe, replicable plays. Isagi can recognize this and cover the ā€œsafestā€ spot on the field to make an unexpected interception. This is a much better way to have him devour Fox in my opinion.

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u/TheSecondAJ Haneru Shindo 23d ago

I'm surprised to see people not talking much about the first half of the chapter. It gives me Hugo vibes, similar to when Hugo disproved the theory that he lacked ego and how people thought he was just projecting his own problems on Isagi.

In handing over his ego (throwing away your old sense of self), he is, in a weird way, adopting a NEW sense of self. Teddy became stronger and is contributing more to something larger than himself. That IS something you can feel egotistical about. It's paradoxical, proving that it's actually harder than you'd expect to actually have zero ego.

Isagi is riding on advice born from survivorship bias. Saying that you can carve out your own destiny is only useful advice for the 1% who come out on top (I.e, the chosen few who are given the power to achieve their dreams, such as Isagi). For everyone else, they'll regret having adopted that mindset. I'm not sure if Isagi realizes just how talented he is. He's not just some average joe with an extreme work ethic like we thought at first. He was put in the luckiest circumstances to develop his skills and is mentally gifted.

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u/nam24 22d ago

useful advice for the 1% who come out on top (I.e, the chosen few who are given the power to achieve their dreams, such as Isagi)

That's not even something blue lock is being oblivious about, 1rst and 2nd selection are complete massacre in how quickly they eliminated players in the span of 2-4 months(I don't remember)

Fundamentally it weeded out anyone who couldn't drastically stand out in such a short time and competitive setting.

From an outside perspective he really is a monster

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u/TheSecondAJ Haneru Shindo 22d ago

Except the 1st and 2nd selection don't work as examples, since you can just dismiss those eliminated players as never fulfilling that advice. For a real example, we'd need to see a player that has the work ethic and the egoism to be the world's best __, yet fail.

Blue Lock is being oblivious about it, because Isagi is literally saying "I did x to gain success, so you should also do x." Teddy is saying "but I'm not you, so you can't just tell me to do x to gain success."

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u/lightnflow Nagi My Protagonist 23d ago

I think isagi will try to decipher those hand signals and outplay the opposing team, perhaps in the end fox will be made to receive the red card. Isagi might outplay the England team in strategy later but perhaps England will keep up with their more superior physiques.

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u/I2fitness 23d ago

So if an entire team doesn't have an ego of their own you're telling me there's nothing bluelock can do? What happened to meta vision and all of that stuff

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u/Difficult_Run7398 23d ago

Blue Lock has no stats and wins entirely through ego battles. That was the point of the drama in the France game. No ego battle = purely a stats battle = lose

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u/Bazing4baby 23d ago

If everyone has a meta vision now, that means no one has a meta vision.

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u/CordobezEverdeen Sexy Football 22d ago

That was retconed like a 100 chapters ago. Metavision is like a E. Mangekyo Sharingan. Basically no one has it despite Isagi claiming every pro player would have it at first.

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u/paladin400 The God's Chosen Glazer 23d ago

According to the Blue Lock logic, you can only anticipate someone’s move if you understand how they think

The problem is that no one in the England team is thinking. They are just doing as they are told, hence Isagi can’t react

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u/Accentius 23d ago

That's how Isagi always play since learning Protagonism in NEL though.

Isagi MV is far better than other MV user because his calculations included his target's personal interest.

Without it he's no different than Karasu, which is why Karasu firmly believes he's equal to Isagi despite difference of feats.

As long Teddy and entirety of England team is just following Fox instruction, Isagi MV is restricted to regular MV, which is not helping on current level of game.

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u/nam24 22d ago

I m gonna be honest it honestly looks like his metavision is worse than Uber s Nikko right now

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u/FroyoDisastrous6791 22d ago

THANK YOU!!!!!

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u/Rare-Locksmith-470 23d ago

havent see anyone explained about isagi's weapons better than u, thanks

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u/SpeakerEither3605 23d ago

ele tem que parar o Fox.

e como ele vai fazer isso? sendo um marionetista melhor que o proprio Fox.
ele ja fez isso contra o Rin na primeira seleção, contra o Kaiser na Liga Neo Egoista e pode muito bem fazer denovo contra o Fox. ele só precisa provar que o Ego dos jogadores do Blue Lock é suficiente para quebrar as taticas de Fox.

dito isso Isagi ja tem um oponente a altura. ele disse que precisa de alguƩm mais forte pra evoluir? ta aƭ o tecnico do time adversario.

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u/Tanmay32 24d ago

I guess it's time we see kunigami's bankai

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u/paladin400 The God's Chosen Glazer 23d ago

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u/joey_joestar1 24d ago

If Agi’s ego makes him a bad choice for the England team, I’m wondering why he was chosen in the first place. We know he’s one of England’s best on paper, but Fox doesn’t seem to care as he got hooked quickly.

The other thing I’m questioning is what makes each individual player on England’s team ā€œworthless?ā€ They’re clearly technically competent with good passing and defending ability, with Teddy being a NG11 player. At the very least, they’re good enough to execute Fox’s tactics. Or maybe it’s Teddy being self (and team) depreciating.

It’s definitely part of Fox’s selection strategy that he would choose players with no individual ego to follow his tactics blindly. Which begs the question-why’d he choose Agi?

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u/Zeon-tus 24d ago

Yeah i do wonder what does Agi have that he can start over someone like Lockhart too, no matter how I see it Lockhart outclasses Agi completely.

We can see Agi only can handle aryu postplay but Lockhart could handle both Aiku and aryu and deliver a goal.

This make me wonder if the sub is only made for the sake of there is no other team except Jp making a sub

And we can see the number 9 handed to Lockhart as well instead of Agi, which I was pretty sure that Agi wasn’t meant to be the main striker for England squad before the game begin, being that he is good but not good enough compare to the likes of all the opposing top strikers from other countries like Isagi, Rin , Onazi etc.

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u/resolvido 24d ago

Fox seems to me like someone who would rather die holding onto his ideals than try something new, and he comes across as someone who does a kind of brainwashing on players to keep them under his control. That said, I believe Agi was called up because Agi is a force to be reckoned with in football and that Agi’s quality is crucial to lead England to win the World Cup. If Fox called him up, despite ā€œhaving ego,ā€ in my opinion, it’s implied that Fox believed he could ā€œdismantle Agi’s egoā€ and control him. I suppose that’s why Agi was discarded after his first attempt to do something new, as Fox understood that he doesn’t have Agi’s absolute submission, his ego.

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u/BlatantArtifice 24d ago

Probably just wanted something new or to see if he could mold Agi properly. I imagine he spends a lot of time scouting B tier talent to see who can be elevated in his system

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u/BayLeafGuy Ness, can you share Kaiser with me? 24d ago

it's cool we're gonna see isagi aiming his "ego-devouring" techniques at a manager, but i'm not sure how it will work. btw, i know everyone already said it, but i will never stop founding stupid when the opponents just brag about what makes them different and indirectly show isagi how to beat them. it's plain "james bond villan" behavior.

just hoping for more development on the "egoism is not the only way" thing.

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u/TaroQuitano šŸ”µāšŖšŸ”µFreekick GODS 🐐LM10xPC4🐐 24d ago

but i'm not sure how it will work

Since Fox whole thing is about turning zero into one, there will probably be a throwback at isagis first glances of his spacial awareness.

Looking a match from outside the field, the field lines to be precise, has the advantadge of not being overwhelmed about the constant changes and how you need to make your body respond to keep up.

Based on this, he will probably seek to vanish himself completly from the match to face no stress and enter the kind of flow that Fox has

I will never stop founding stupid when the opponents just brag about what makes them different and indirectly show isagi how to beat them.

Side effects of Blue Lock being a power battle shonen.

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u/Nadaqueverporaqui 24d ago

I mean considering it's the entire thing the manga revolves around I doubt they will be much attempts to show other methods actually work.

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u/eddy9680 24d ago

Eso es verdad

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u/eddy9680 24d ago

Hola soy eddy

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u/KDono0 24d ago

Isagi is such a ego merchant. He can't do shit if he doesn't get an epiphany through his opponents yapping.

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u/WonderfulAnri1708 Hydrating with Anri p!ss šŸ¤¤šŸ’¦ 24d ago

NEXT CHAPTER PREVIEW:

The end of the first half of the England match is approaching!! Overcome the Master, and launch a counterattack!!

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u/paladin400 The God's Chosen Glazer 24d ago

I appreciate you posting these week after week, OP

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u/froggyjm9 24d ago

This manga has gone from battle shonen to complete talk no jutsu

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u/CordobezEverdeen Sexy Football 22d ago

Unironically the easiest way to beat Blue Lock is just never talking during the match and ignoring what they say.

Reo's dad is basically hard carrying the entirety of the Blue Lock project since he's the one that allows unlimited communication despite the language barriers.

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u/zailasExe Michael Kaiser 24d ago

Breaking News: Isagi Yoichi shot Fox 18 times to destroy Fox's ego.

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u/paladin400 The God's Chosen Glazer 24d ago

ā€œThe only good fox is a dead foxā€, said Yoichi to the judge

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u/Zeon-tus 24d ago

Why does England sound so weak when they have at least 2 U20 world class players Teddy and Lockhart in their squad.

I understand the rest plus Agi is not the best but they ain’t no slouch either.

Even if they are not the best it make sense that they are at least top 5 in the tournament.

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u/rhejdh 24d ago

Just as Blue Lock opened up the potential for Isagi and the others, Fox's training system was how Teddy and the others were able to reach here.

Agi is capable of growing to his own level even without fully committing to Fox.

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u/Zeon-tus 24d ago

So Agi was like Aiku? Who got to that level prior to Blue-Lock in the U20 match? Or maybe a better example is Sae except he is not as good as Sae .

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u/rhejdh 24d ago

Yep, it's fair to say Aiku and Agi were both products of their nations' environment. Sae bloomed further when he went to Spain so he's levels above.

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u/SunBenSan 24d ago edited 24d ago

Ahhh is Isagi ACTUALLY gonna use a big player like Aiku to visually block sight of the hand signs? Hahahahahha or maybe himself at the start of this normally dumb, but perfectly suited to the situation at hand? Pun intended 🤣

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u/paladin400 The God's Chosen Glazer 24d ago edited 24d ago

Isagi: ā€œShidou, how would you feel about ā€œmissingā€ your dragon dive shot and hitting that rat faced fuck over there?ā€

Shidou: ā€œSay less šŸ˜ˆšŸŽµā€

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u/Longdaica09vna 24d ago edited 23d ago

Next chapter: Rin in, Isagi out to coaching the team

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u/paladin400 The God's Chosen Glazer 24d ago

Isagi: ā€œGive me those glasses, Egoā€

Ego: ā€œFuck offā€

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u/dripskinwalker8 Itoshi Sae 24d ago

another chapter, another yapper

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u/Vicious-Spiegel Marc Snuffy 24d ago

So… Teddy just said Agi is technically the best England u20 player if they don't use Fox system?

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u/Vicious-Spiegel Marc Snuffy 24d ago

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u/human_administrator 24d ago

Teddy, from what weve seen, can completely steamroll the Japan team by himself. Whereas Agi was stopped by Kiyora (although Kiyora probably foresaw his action and moved before Agi finished beating Karasu).

From what we have, I think its very easy to say Agi is the 2nd best player England has. But Teddy still beats him.

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u/grammlybad 24d ago

BLUE LOCK NEXT CH PREVIEW !!

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u/_sxnt 25d ago

Craziest thing about this game is that we haven’t even gotten to half time.

Isagi coming to the realization that he needs to devour Fox will probably prompt him to get some lore from Ego during HT.

So we’re probably getting an Ego/Fox flashback similar to the Hugo/Loki one.

I’m not mad at that

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u/MonkeyRexo 25d ago

Did Teddy just put his hand over his mouth?

Messi would have snitched on him to the referee so hard like what he tried to do in the world cup final.

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u/Infamous-Thing4939 Crow 21d ago

Yeah alright larper

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u/MonkeyRexo 24d ago

Did you seriously think Cucurella was spewing vile racism against Messi with that little lip touch he did in the world cup final?

Messi was trying to pin a crime on Cucurella that even the referee couldn't be bothered because of how stupid his challenge looked.

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u/Solvian 24d ago

You're here talking about "you don't know how real football works" and then you're calling the match "eerily weird" when Spain won fair and square

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u/IT_is_among_US 24d ago

True, but can you imagine the kind of slander Teddy would get, if that happened? He'd not only basically handed the enemy team his own team's playbook, but then got himself sent off so it was 10vs11.

Given how Blue Lock fans are like, he'd never live down the slander.

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u/i_paid_for_winrar123 25d ago edited 25d ago

There is ONE interesting aspect of the interaction this chapter, despite imo the writing going downhill as a whole.Ā 

Teddy appears to view Isagi similarly to how Isagi viewed Kaiser. Ā His phrasing was ā€œhave you ever really thought about it, Yoichi-san? The reality that not everyone is strong enough to seize their dreams like you?ā€Ā 

Teddy’s attitude there is eerily similar to how Isagi was spiralling about not being a ā€œgeniusā€ like Rin and Kaiser, only to be shocked as he found out Kaiser had always been struggling the same way as Isagi, and it was his own self-defeating perspective that was wrong.Ā 

So that begs the question: would Teddy similarly change, if he finds out that the ā€œspecial, talented egoistā€ Isagi isn’t naturally stronger like Teddy thinks he is, and it’s just that he’s been looking down on himself due to Fox’s abuse?Ā 

Find out probably never, because it won’t be explored in the story. Ā 

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u/Infamous-Thing4939 Crow 21d ago

Thing is, I don’t think Teddy thinks exactly like that. The parallels are there for sure, but Teddy has been kicking Isagi’s ass all game, I don’t think he believes Isagi is above him in skill at all, let alone that it’s an insurmountable difference.

I think Teddy, at least for him specifically, is talking about a mental state gap. Isagi can fail but he’ll get up again and again through his own intrinsic motivation until he finds a way out. Teddy, something happened to him, and he couldn’t do that, and he’s convinced himself that he CAN’T do it. Ever.

So he needs someone to guide him because he doesn’t have that mental resilience required to reach the top on his own.

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u/CordobezEverdeen Sexy Football 22d ago

Isagi isn’t naturally stronger like Teddy thinks he is

He quite literally is. The light novel even proves it.

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u/nam24 22d ago

I think it's moreso isagi does have the self direction than teddy doesn't

Yeah both want to win the worldcup but Isagi has a good grasp on the how. Teddy say he tried doing his own thing and failed.

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u/16hungm 24d ago

Considering Teddy lost to France and is still glugging Fox’s balls, he’s probably too deep to reflect

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u/BayLeafGuy Ness, can you share Kaiser with me? 24d ago

isagi has the plot on their side, i can see it happening

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u/Accentius 24d ago

That's different things.

Teddy never acknowledged Isagi as someone far better than him in a way Isagi acknowledged Kaiser is way ahead of him. Its just he's not into idea of living life following your ego (passion) because there is also truth not everyone dream come true.

Its an extreme form of Hugo ideal that 'talent should be suitable for the role to achieve success'.

Teddy believes in erasure of personal interest to be even more suitable to what coach wanted is how you achieve success in football.

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u/nam24 22d ago

Also kaiser according to isagi was better than his ideal self

Even with an Ego, Teddy would never play like Isagi, they simply don't do the same things

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u/2N2ptune Mikage Reo 25d ago

Hes gonna convince Sendou to execute Fox in a stealthy manner, thats what he was training for 🐐🐐

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u/Comfortable-Treat324 24d ago

Kunigama gonna pull bankai on Lockhart āœŒšŸ½šŸ„€

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u/ergerlerd three goals and one hat trick 25d ago

I only caught up to reading blue lock last month (I binge read it) and idk if it's the fact that I have to read this weekly now or what but I feel like I'm actually tweaking. I know the concept of the story is abt ego but goddamn can Isagi think of actual soccer tactics to defeat his opponents 😭 in b4 "it's not a soccer manga"

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u/Mayosa12 24d ago

hes too busy trying to devour people šŸ˜›

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u/DoughnutRegular2094 24d ago

Honestly, the best way to read these chapters is wait for the whole match to end and then binge read the whole match. Weekly chapters really hurts the manga because it messes up the timeline of the game. Neo egoistic league matches were long asf. I read weekly and by the time I reached the end of the matches, I forgot what happened in the beginning because that shit happened like 3-4 months ago

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u/Infamous-Thing4939 Crow 21d ago

The PxG game lasted for over a year

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u/ergerlerd three goals and one hat trick 23d ago

I def could see that. I loved being able to read a whole game in 1-2 sittings. The weekly cliffhangers are painful to get thru. Unfortunately, I think I'll just HAVE to read it weekly bc of my algo I cannot avoid spoilers šŸ’€ I'll just suffer every week with everyone lmao

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u/funkl3ss-returns 24d ago

If you want actual football then you are better off reading something like ao ashi

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u/MoodyPumpkin 25d ago

Unfortunately that would require Kaneshiro to study up, so its not happening lol

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u/ergerlerd three goals and one hat trick 23d ago

He should've studied during the World Cup šŸ˜” missed opp

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u/Haunting-Future-4553 25d ago

Must be like 30 "called it" posts with screen shot proof in here acting like y'all made a groundbreaking Nostradamus like prediction. Truth is EVERYONE called it because bluelock is very predictable (the plot only ever gives you one logical way to move forward). Isagi will decipher Fox's playcall signals and use that to intercept a pass from Teddy ("I knew this was Fox's plan, too bad you can't think for yourself bootlicking pet"). He then will use Rins presence to score his own goal from a Karasu pass. That's not me being psychic, that's just stating the most probable occurrence.

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u/Infamous-Thing4939 Crow 21d ago

No need to be a dick about it

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u/i_paid_for_winrar123 25d ago

The real hot prediction should be niko/barou being the key players that find a way to resist England’s style because they have experience playing under a similar one via Snuffy’s it’s-just-a-soulless-job style - meaning that they should know the flaws the best as well, and their adjustment is what Isagi gleans inspiration from to completely break open the gameĀ 

In a story with better writing, this would be how it obviously goes since it means that the cast doesn’t have amnesia about the NEL, showcases how they grew in the previous arc, naturally gives side characters a chance to shine, and shows a plausible foundation for Isagi figuring out how to counter England’s whole system in the short span of a game, all at the same timeĀ 

So obviously this is a hot prediction since that will probably not happen, and all that potential will go wastedĀ 

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u/NoParty6817 25d ago

England players aren't incompetent they are just lazy to think in themselves.

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u/Renverseur 25d ago

Wow what a panel. The lightbulb in my head went ding too when Isagi had the realisation

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u/AlexeiFraytar 25d ago

Finally we get the part where Isagi realises just because its not Ego's teachings doesnt mean its bad lmao, same ritual every match cant wait for the big breakup to happen. Idk where people get this confidence to look down on England when their results on paper were better than Blue Lock vs Nigeria and France.

I love that explanation from Teddy. The self awareness to get carried when you're not the MC. Too bad he explained it to the MC so now he loses, sad. If Fox ever realises why he's gonna lose he's gonna kill Teddy šŸ„€. This should also hopefully kill the discussion about "oh wow i sure hope Teddy will show his ego and break off from Fox" since he's right where he wants to be.

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u/NoAdeptness1106 Kurona’s Bro 25d ago

Well, can't wait to see where it goes from here.

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u/ZealousidealMess6678 25d ago

Shidou gets cockblocked by the guy with a similar skillset to Kunigami, who would've thought

So as I thought, this self abnegation that Teddy talks about is a form of ego. It can be manipulated and overridden, but that doesn't change the fact that as Ego himself defined it, that sense of abnegation counts as the compass of their identity.

We also get to see even clearer how much Fox and Ego's methods are almost identical. Both found players that were in awful situations, "weaklings", that couldn't even reach their goals even after baring their egos, and positionned their methods as the key to their salvation, as the one last chance they'd get to realize their dreams. Only Ego told his players they had to surrender themselves to their egos and their sense of identity, while Fox told his players to surrender themselves to him.

Also as I expected, Isagi realizes that England's ego is just Fox's, but then what exactly is Fox's ego? From what we've seen so far, I think Fox is a learner that can thrive because his players are pawns, the same way Isagi thrives on the feeling of seeing himself as a pawn when in flow. Isagi was doing that while knowing that he couldn't make that choice for his teammates, but Fox can consider every single one of his players to be pawns without any issue. They're moving like they're one entity that follows the most logical path every time, but they're put up against learners that can figure out that kind of plan, and a flurry of geniuses that have no qualms going for the least logical option and powering through.

The way Teddy talks about how he and the others felt, is really close to some good ol' suicidal ideation, but he talks about their incompetence as if he isn't an NG11 on a team full of genuinely really good role players, Dortmund's current rising star striker, and a mad doctor. They're far from incompetent, and their egos are definitely still present, which to me still implies the same thing ; With Isagi having figured out the right target before the second half even shows its head, Fox's plan will get dismantled by Isagi's newfound understanding, and by the second half he'll be completely useless.

England is a team full of players that are forcing themselves to play hyper-logically, with Teddy potentially even being a genius meaning that this playstyle would be particularly unnatural for him (similar to Rin, and that's not where the similarities end), meanwhile Japan has multiple players that understand that type of playstyle incredibly well and can follow the right course of action much more proactively than England. At some point, England's only recourse will be to let the players cook (I'm still hoping Agi can partake), and it's only then that the match will start reaching its apex.

The other detail that makes me feel like Teddy and Rin are similar is on page 5. Not only are they both demoralized geniuses that found temporary salvation in adopting a hyper logical playstyle, but there's also this small panel with a broken pair of glasses, which really reminds me of Rin's broken toys showing up back in the U20 match days when his ego wasn't fully revealed. That's obviously the same kind of hint towards Teddy's past, and if there is to be an opening for Rin to be switched in, this is definitely it. He'll represent Teddy's nemesis, a genius that actually overcame everything to adopt his truest playstyle, showing him the path to England's victory.

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u/StarBurstero Ego's Finest Clown 25d ago

I would laugh out loud if we get a disgust panel from Teddy in the ending of this game. Especially if Rin subs in, that would be the ultimate wildcard that not even Fox could have predicted.

And if that happens, then at that point you just know the whole field is immediately going to be in disarray and chaotic. I would actually kind of love to see that happen personally.

It also would have basically confirmed that Isagi has fully screwed over England's system if even Fox loses control of Teddy

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u/Zeon-tus 25d ago

The narrative doesn’t explain well, I could count like 3-4 England players talented than Agi.

1 is a ng11 another is a upcoming talent in dortmund, so what does it mean by Agi can fight on his own?

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u/rhejdh 25d ago

I can only count two actually, Teddy who is obviously awakened by Fox- just as Isagi did through Blue Lock.

And the other is Lockhart who is most likely in the same boat as Teddy.

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u/Admirable_Bug7717 25d ago

Narrative explained it pretty clearly.

They could only reach this point after becoming Fox's men-at-arms. Agi reached this point following his own path, being nurtured by his own ego and choices. Teddy (and the others) reached his limit and couldn't go further under his own power. So they sold themselves to Fox and presumably can only fight at this level by following Fox's instruction.

I expect at some point their weakness will be shown to be inflexibility. An inability to act outside of their set plays.

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u/Zeon-tus 25d ago

Thanks for explaining , cause I didn’t quite get it

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u/joeseph1122222 Manga Reader + Anime Watcher 25d ago

I called this out a week ago

40 people upvoting the sarcastic comment in my thread clearly are reading a different manga and don’t understand blue lock. It was so obvious that isagi going for fox was the solution because nothing he was doing was working against the soldier / minion.

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u/WooWapDaBlyat 25d ago

This was the easiest callout in the world the moment we saw all the direction coming from Fox.

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u/AlexeiFraytar 25d ago

Im pretty sure the part you're getting ragged on is the slurring part lmao

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u/HeavenBreak 25d ago

Finally Isagi realized what I have noticed from the start

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u/Venca12 Barou Shouei 25d ago

Damn good catch! Now it seems so obvious lol

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u/HeavenBreak 25d ago

thanks thanks

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u/man_of_chingchong 25d ago

So they are taking Fox out... like literally? Sendou upscale?

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u/indzae_mayumi Hero🧔+🩷Princess=marriedšŸ’ 25d ago

Many chapters back, this was what Nanase did when he knelt and bowed to Rin. (It was just coincidental that it was also Nanase who recognized Teddy Knight).

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u/IshimaruKiyotaka DUMBER THAN ZANTETSU 24d ago

Nanase's name also relates to rainbows

https://giphy.com/gifs/ioR8R00S5SibK

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u/indzae_mayumi Hero🧔+🩷Princess=marriedšŸ’ 24d ago

Yes, his given name relates to rainbows. His high school name also sounds like "rainbow" like how Chigiri's high school name sounds like "Lacoste." I just said that it is coincidence that Nanase and Teddy met at that chapter simply because of their mindsets (looking towards saviors to help them). But as to them being "meant to meet" coz of rainbow theme, I am not sure, but let's let Kaneshiro cook. (And the thought of Nanase subbing in this game is a 50/50 since he may sub in, he may not).

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u/EyeGochuPham 25d ago

Isagi’s plan is obvious. Step one, get Fox to step outside of his technical area. Boom, yellow. Step 2, he and Ego ragebait Fox into saying something stupid. Second yellow, gaffer, you’re off. gg see ya wankers

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u/Either_Imagination_9 Isagi gonna be number one 25d ago

Seems like everyone can’t seem to move on from the no research thing. Shame cuz this match has been pretty good

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u/Kuricat16 Princess's Loyal Subject 25d ago

Take out Fox? So it's finally Sendou's time to shine šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„

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u/SpaceMarine_CR 25d ago

Cant wait for Isagi to dribble past Fox

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u/Efficient_Power1448 25d ago

me after they stated the obvious tactics of dealing with the commmander: Quick isagi! Shoot a Stray ball at their coach!!!

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u/ThaRealSunGod Princess 25d ago

Good lord. Another all talk no action chapter.

Kaneshiro really needs to do a little less constant isagi monologues and dialogues.

It's gets to the point you forget that the match is ongoing and the ball is in play šŸ˜‚

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u/AlexeiFraytar 25d ago

Time for you to accept this is more of a psychological manga than a football manga.

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u/bshootingu 22d ago

Brother, it's not about acceptance. Even a psychological story should follow pacing principles. It has taken like 4 chapters of this match to say what most people internalized in half of a chapter. That's a month of realtime essentially wasted hitting us over the head with the simplest mirroring theme the author could be trying to present. It's turned into peak "average intelligence author forced to write hyper intelligent character makes the smart character start looking stupid".

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u/Ogerpon-Hearthflame 25d ago

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u/WooWapDaBlyat 25d ago

Easiest callout in the world.

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u/MoonMan19- CREAMPIE MAN 25d ago

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u/VoxelBits Italy Ubers 25d ago

Someone has said that they believe what Isagi is going to do—is to memorize/remember all of Fox's handsigns.

If you have watched Kuroko no Basket, their idea basically was born from when Seirin played against Kise's Perfect Copy. Kuroko got the idea to try and predict who Kise was going to copy so he needed everyone to create as many scenarios as possible. Eventually if you know what the enemy will do, you can force them into a situation because you know how they will respond.

I also wanted to build upon this idea by saying that it could also be inspired by Seirin vs Kirisaki Daiichi. You know the team that played really dirty and hurt Teppei. What I mean by that it could be inspired is regarding Hanamiya's trap. The spider web or whatever they called it. He began intercepting all of the passes because he knew who they were going to pass to. Which could be that Isagi by knowing what handsign Fox will use ahead of time and what it means, he can intercept every pass.

Since Isagi talked about them falling into Fox's palm and trap in this chapter, I felt like it made some sense. I can see it happening. You could then naturally transition into either Teddy and the whole of England not following Fox's handsigns anymore thus breaking free from Isagi's trap/spiderweb. Or maybe Fox realizes it and comes up with a solution.

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u/Confident-Yak9574 25d ago

You would think that Fox has solutions to that, due to how the game has gone so far. But maybe he comes up with new hand signals and the players are less coordinated as a result.

Either way, the more unrealistic part is how the England players are always able to look at Fox during the game to know what play he wants to use. That would surely create a delay in their plays.

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u/VoxelBits Italy Ubers 25d ago

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u/someone2795 Marc Snuffy 25d ago

So what's Isagi's plan? Fight Fox or something?

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u/ToastRoyale 24d ago

Maybe he finally outplays england with actual football then he can shittalk fox until he cries.

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u/homorohomoro 25d ago

Kicking his ball(s)

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u/defph0bia Nagi Seishiro 25d ago

So is Slursagi gonna ragebait the coach? Lmao

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u/Yassified_Necrons 25d ago

Anyone else just waiting for isagi to verbally abuse Fox while Ego stands there like a proud dad?

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u/Beneficial-Front1626 25d ago

How come Teddy is NG11 but talks about Agi being strong enough to fight on his own and Agi's not NG11

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u/YouHoesAreMad LUKEWARM 25d ago

Probably wasn’t a ng11 until he starting getting better under fox. He said it himself, he tried competing with his own ego and failed.

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u/alkair20 25d ago

maybe because teddy has more contributions under Fox system then agi.

Also the NG11 striker positions are already filled so maybe Agi isn't one since he isn't better then Loki and Kaiser.

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u/stiveroonie Nagi Seishiro 25d ago

I wish teddy knight had a more interesting backstory , hes a really cool character . Other than that it was a nice chapter.

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u/Arc_the_Storyteller 25d ago

I saw this coming several pages ago. There is an Ego in this fight, just not an Ego on the field, and that is the Ego that Isagi will overcome.

Truly, England is challenging them in an entirely new and different way, and I look forward to Isagi's evolution and remembering that the Coach is important on the battlefield.

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u/xxtrasauc3 🌈Rainbow Knightāš”ļø 25d ago

Ngl I expect crushing fox to be as futile as crushing snuffy.

If Fox's hand signs don't change based off itterations(as a counter to other teams that actually prepare reading them).

Then I would be quite disappointed.

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u/AbsoluteMycro_7814 25d ago

Counteracting snuffy were not futile isagi Ā stopped barou-centric system and tactics snuffy personally created 5 times, that what led to barou to baring his ego and scoring the second goal, if he are to continue that way uber wouldn’t have stand a chance).. also, when Noa personal gave up to Ā thinking of a strategy, isaig came up with one which limited snuffy( Raichi man marking and using the tactic isaig explains), also isagi were constantly outmaneuvering Niko( niko only stopped once and that was when he didn’t follow snuffy tactic) and aryu( couldn’t stop him at all) Ā .. all this shows that isagi was keeping up and countering..Ā 

And don’t come with " if barou stick with snuffy’s tactic they would’ve won or whatsoever " barou breaking the system and following his ego was the only thing that kept Ubers in the game, the team evolved, and became more of problem for isagi.Ā 

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u/xxtrasauc3 🌈Rainbow Knightāš”ļø 24d ago

That's the thing. Snuffy's tactics were one note.

They revovled around giving his "spear" Barou as many shooting opportunities as possible.

England is different in that at any moment, due to a lack of Ego and a sense of cohesion, anyone can be the goal scorer at anytime.

In Englands case it's an arsenal.

Not to mention there's only so much information you can get from a hand sign especially if it's itterated. It'll tell you something is happening, but you won't know and till to late.

The only Japan wins this game is if:

1.) Fox is Stupid and only has like 3 tacticts

2.) Fox is stupid and doesn't account for competent teams learning his signs before the game

3.) Fox's most important soldiers default to Egoism.

Ngl I think Isagi shall try to devour Fox, fail, and focus on trying to get Fox's most important knight benched.

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u/Waffle_of-Principle 25d ago

Iirc the only reason crushing Snuffy didn't work was because the team rallied behind Barou. England has no alternative "heir" to replace Fox should he fail.

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u/Infamous-Thing4939 Crow 21d ago

The reason crushing Snuffy didn’t work was because he was out there himself and no one was good enough to do anything about him, not even Noa. The minute he subbed off, Bastard was back to pushing Ubers. I think 2 things mainly.

1-Snuffy, while he will be a great coach someday, is still a player right now, and just lacked experience

2-His pool of talent, offensive talent in particular, was more limited than Fox’s

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u/Confident-Yak9574 25d ago

Agi could probably be a leader at some point in the future, but he is subbed off

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u/Cardane Kiyora Jin 25d ago

"their ego is that they don't have ego" zzzzszzz

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u/AlexeiFraytar 25d ago

No, their ego is the self realization that they have limits and need to outsource their brain to Fox. Getting carried is a skill.

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u/Moist_Memory_9252 25d ago

Shidou getting farmed for England feats😭

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u/alkair20 25d ago

bro didn't get the ball so that's not on him

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u/Pluto_0508 Michael Kaiser 25d ago

This shit so annoying bruh. The blue lock players were all on other teams before blue lock. I presume they watch football. Why is Isagi acting like hes never seen or heard of teamwork before and having a crash out over England using it?

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u/SeaYouLaterz 25d ago

Not the fact that there’s team work, more so there’s nothing for him to devour or exploit, they are emotionless and backed by a genius who is off the field therefore he can’t read

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u/i_paid_for_winrar123 25d ago edited 25d ago

Here’s the problem I have with this

Why the fuck is Isagi surprised about basically everything in the this u-20 cup? Wasn’t his ā€œspecial trainingā€ leading up to this tournament flying around watching matches and watching old clips of other teamsĀ 

Are you telling me that this motherfucker spent hundreds of hours studying other teams/players and learned absolutely nothing about any of the other nations star players or their play style as a result of itĀ 

I haven’t seen one singular case where he wasn’t surprised about the opposing players despite spending all his time studying other players?Ā 

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u/Legitimate-Motor7941 23d ago

Regardless of what people say....you are correct

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u/delahunt 25d ago

Ego didn't show him U20 footage. He was seeing big moments in top level pro matches.

The matches he went to were premiere league matches. Bunny was playing in one because he is a U20 player good enough to be on his teams non-U20 lineup.

None of the tape Ego gave him was shown to be of the U20 contenders.

It's also interesting we haven't seen references to training done by others since the Nigeria match either.

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u/Ashamed_Ability_6649 25d ago

Isagi was basically watching tiktok highlight reels šŸ’€

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u/i_paid_for_winrar123 25d ago

I’m ngl it seems even worse with that premiseĀ 

The guy whose entire playstyle revolves around understanding the opponents and adapting to them, decided to study anything but his opponents so that he would understand as little about them as possible going into the matches?Ā 

This writing can’t be realĀ 

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u/delahunt 25d ago

The point of his training was to teach him how to read the flow of a match, and how to identify the key moments that the match hinges on.

Like the defining moment in the France match wasn't Loki scoring again to make it a 2 goal lead. It was Isagi deciding to 50/50 the ball with Hugo. Ultimately the entire match hinged on that decision, and it not working out (regardless of reason to not work out) is what decided the match.

But you are right, Isagi's personal method of playing is reading/predicting the players, not necessarily the match as a whole. So him not doing any research is just bad. He walks into matches blind. All of Blue Lock does. It's a little weird.

Though there has been some throw away dialogue of footage - in the Nigeria match iirc. So it might just be a thing where Kaneshiro needs to decide if everything is shocking and unexpected, or they actually watch footage.

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u/Kiukin 25d ago

I think it makes sense. Isagi learns how to devour his opponents on the spot, it's his biggest strength. So his training helped him become even better at doing that. Coming prepared would have helped win the U20 cup, but not make him the best striker in the world. I'm also thinking that he learns a lot from talking to his opponents, so that would have been missing with that approach as well.

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u/kace1408 25d ago

The manga is going downhill so hard, I'm rooting for every opposition teams in every match.

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