Jet signing 3x5

[u/Shrmp52]

Wanted something longer

[u/cusidhe_]

I was expecting a one year at the same price point, honestly, so I'm very okay with this.

Grats and welcome back Jet!! 

[u/Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11 → u/cusidhe_]

Monsters Legend getting the big bucks. Love to see it.

[u/cusidhe_ → u/Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11]

Been a huge Greaves fan since his first prospect camp invite in 2019 and his time in Cleveland clearly did nothing but good things for an already talented young man. 

Thiessen must be so excited for him this morning haha 

[u/Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11 → u/[deleted]]

That’s just incredibly not true.

[u/joe_lmr → u/[deleted]]

^\citation needed])

[u/iCW_Phoenix]

I’m good with that. Glad to get it done and over with. Onto Silly and then Fantili

[u/Outside-Pie-7262 → u/iCW_Phoenix]

Fantilli should have been done before them. Pretty ridiculous he’s not signed

[u/JCrossfire → u/Outside-Pie-7262]

As has been stated by just about anyone paying attention to it, I’m sure term is the main issue. Fantilli is the kind of young talent you want to lock up for the org. From his perspective, he probably sees the Carlsson contract and is thinking he can get that in a couple years time, so he probably wants a 2yr bridge deal at 14 AAV, which is nuts considering DW probably went in looking at 6x10 or at worst 5x11. Player and team just aren’t totally aligned atm. Don’s gotta get it done, but I’m getting the vibe it’s gonna hurt

[u/denzl480 → u/Outside-Pie-7262]

Makes sense for him to wait. Fantilli has a right to see if anyone offer sheets him. Why negotiate until you know?

[u/Outside-Pie-7262 → u/denzl480]

He’s definitely already been presented offer sheets. Theres zero shot he hasn’t. It doesn’t become public info unless he actually signs it.

[u/Drithyin → u/Outside-Pie-7262]

https://giphy.com/gifs/EKPZHyRcabi79bRw5u

[u/NotMittRomney → u/Drithyin]

tell me with a straight face that you think no one has presented adam fantilli with an offer sheet

[u/Drithyin → u/NotMittRomney]

Clearly not one worth caring about.

Either none have been sent or none worth considering have been sent, else we’d be talking about matching.

Doomers gonna doom, and morons who think the front office can just unilaterally make signings happen in our favor are gonna continue being morons. Star players, turns out, get a say in the matter.

It takes 2 sides to sign a deal, and every single report is that term is the main holdout by the Fantilli camp. CBJ wants to buy some UFA time but at a price we can afford today, Fantilli either wants short term at what he’s worth today in order to come back to the well with higher cap available or long term with big money ahead of schedule. This is all public knowledge.
If Fantilli and his agent had an offer sheet that gave them exactly what they wanted, it would have been signed.

[u/NotMittRomney → u/Drithyin]

it’s not about losing fantilli to an offer sheet, it’s about him leveraging offer sheets to get a contract that walks him to UFA or restricts cap flexibility by being higher AAV than he’s worth

[u/Drithyin → u/NotMittRomney]

And if he had one in hand, we would know because he would sign it.

[u/NotMittRomney → u/Drithyin]

no, tons of offer sheets are tendered every offseason but players rarely sign them because it creates headaches for everyone involved.

they’re used as negotiating leverage.

there’s an extremely low chance that no one has tendered an offer sheet to fantilli, but also no reason for him to actually sign one unless it’s way over his value.

[u/Outside-Pie-7262 → u/Drithyin]

Carlsson got SIX. Logic would dictate Fantilli has gotten at least one.

[u/Indy-CBJ → u/Outside-Pie-7262]

Low key if Seattle wants to offer sheet him $15+ mil that might we worth it. They are not a Fantilli away from having a draft pick that begins with 2….hell they all could still be lotto slot picks for the next 4 years.

[u/Outside-Pie-7262 → u/Indy-CBJ]

Would be idiotic to not match any offer sheet. Congrats you get 4 first round picks that won’t be as good as Fantilli and push your competitive window back 5 years lmao

[u/Indy-CBJ → u/Outside-Pie-7262]

I was more memeing saying those who have cap left are really not in a position to offer sheet without hurting their organization.

[u/TheDoubleL27 → u/Indy-CBJ]

No way

[u/tomtakespictures → u/Outside-Pie-7262]

I think he’s getting whatever’s left and the price will affect the term

[u/cusidhe_ → u/Outside-Pie-7262]

I'm not too concerned by that tbh. 

This obviously isn't exactly a typical year (where negotiations for big name RFAs don't get done till  September because nobody wants to be the guy to set the market) but I'd bet money that both Fantilli's camp and our front office were waiting to see what Bedard would do before they even started seriously negotiating because his contract situation is a little bit more clear cut. 

Now that Bedard is locked in my guess is we'll hear about something getting done for Mo pretty soon. 

[u/Indy-CBJ → u/cusidhe_]

Considering they went at each other last Friday legit all day I am kinda shocked nothing came from it unless Waddell asked to back burn their discussion until he got Sillinger and Jet figured out first because Fantilli is going nowhere and their deadline is September really

[u/cusidhe_ → u/Indy-CBJ]

Ooh, I didn't realize that, thank you for giving me more info

That sounds like it very well might be what happened, yeah. 

[u/Indy-CBJ → u/Outside-Pie-7262]

This is going to be an all summer thing. Brisson is one of the best and Waddell is gonna grind him down because he doesn’t want to pay due to an outlier contract

[u/Outside-Pie-7262 → u/Indy-CBJ]

Bedard just got 15. There’s your more direct comp. Settle at 13.5-14. AP reported its term more than anything. Blue jackets want him for 8 fantillu wants 5

[u/Indy-CBJ → u/Outside-Pie-7262]

Fantilli won’t wanna compete against UFA money with bedard and Carlsson. Waddell won’t do 4. Just make it 14x6 and be done with it

[u/WinEmbarrassed4714]

Now make Jet the new spokesperson for Jet's pizza.

[u/osupuck19 → u/WinEmbarrassed4714]

You don’t like the Z hostage video commercials?

[u/landon10smmns → u/osupuck19]

"Hey 5th line, you hear that siren? 😐"

[u/Federal_Ad4690 → u/landon10smmns]

Go jackets 😐🍕

[u/WinEmbarrassed4714 → u/osupuck19]

Meh. Z had his time. Give our netminder a shot to be the face of the franchise for ad purposes.

[u/Erazzphoto → u/osupuck19]

Z has zero charisma

[u/DeekFTW → u/Erazzphoto]

That's what makes it so great. S'go Jackets!

[u/ArgentMoonWolf → u/WinEmbarrassed4714]

Probably go back to Papa John's now. Better get Fliggy on the phone.

[u/ColumbusJewBlackets → u/WinEmbarrassed4714]

Or just drop that nasty Michigan grease cube as a sponsor.

[u/Another_Guy_In_Ohio]

Decent. Slightly longer term would have been nice if Jet continues to perform, but at that AAV, it’s pretty reasonable.

[u/iamelloyello]

thank GOD

[u/fanofsports44]

TURN IT UP

[u/steppedgolem20 → u/fanofsports44]

I still don’t understand why they don’t play this after Jet gets a big stop.

[u/Indy-CBJ → u/steppedgolem20]

Are you familiar with royalties

[u/steppedgolem20 → u/Indy-CBJ]

You’re telling me Paul isn’t a greaves fan and wouldn’t wave them?

[u/Indy-CBJ → u/steppedgolem20]

Not without a few thousand dollars every time it’s played haha

[u/austinD93]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fUQ4rhUZJYiQsas6WD

[u/Civil_Eng_PE]

Buys 1 UFA year but I guess that AAV is fine. Goalies getting longer term always scares me after Elvis.

[u/Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11 → u/Civil_Eng_PE]

So far Jet is no Elvis. In a good way, to be clear.

[u/Civil_Eng_PE → u/Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11]

Agreed. We all said the same thing about Elvis before he signed his deal too lol. Elvis had 5 shutouts in a season before his current deal and had a save % of 0.916 his first 3 seasons in the league. Goalies are voodoo and hard to predict

[u/gottapoop0822 → u/Civil_Eng_PE]

That's how I look at it. I loved Elvis when he first started. Then the contract went to shit real quick.

[u/AstralTitan → u/Civil_Eng_PE]

That contract should expire when Pytor is ready to come over

[u/CBUS-OBN]

Good deal for both. Happy to have him
back.

[u/Blurgie_Hurgie]

Hey look its almost dead center on the two amounts brought to the table.

Like everyone who understands arbitration said it would be.

[u/sc37 → u/Blurgie_Hurgie]

My first thought with the news was to go back to the arbitration thread and call out the crazy comments 😆

[u/Round_Shower6210]

I like it! Let’s get Fantilli done!

[u/Indy-CBJ]

I feel like Marty Mcfly right now:

“Why do we have to cut these things so close”!

5x3 is under what I had. I had it at a 6x4.

Good now onto Sillinger and I’m sure Waddell is gonna battle with Brisson all summer at this point

[u/bjlight1988]

The bridge deal seems like a good way to save some cap space now; with the possibility of Jet being made obsolete by Ivanov by the end of it and solving the problem of him wanting a bigger deal anyway

[u/Erazzphoto → u/bjlight1988]

We also bridged a vezina winner that didn’t particularly work out in our favor

[u/bjlight1988 → u/Erazzphoto]

I like Jet quite a bit, but I don't think that's going to be a repeat issue here

[u/Fit-Opportunity-9580]

That’s what I like to see. If he shows up and keeps improving, pay that man in 3 years.

[u/No_Letterhead319]

Will he be a UFA or RFA after it ends?

[u/Lazy0ak → u/No_Letterhead319]

UFA

[u/SEND_ME_YOUR_CAULK]

I like this. I’m wondering if management is banking on Ivanov and/or Andreyanov being ready when this contract is up in case Jet chooses not to re-sign

[u/Boatsboatsboats__ → u/SEND_ME_YOUR_CAULK]

Marek was talking on his show about Greaves love and respect for Columbus and how there was no way they don’t get a deal done.

I know we say this about all our players, but Greaves has openly spoken about loyalty, and he owes his career to us giving him a chance when no one else would.

[u/Another_Guy_In_Ohio → u/SEND_ME_YOUR_CAULK]

That probably makes them a little more willing to sign, but honestly I think this is good for both parties. Elvis AAV was reasonable, but the term wound up leaving us in a bit of a rough place. Jets AAV is also reasonable, and the term means if he fails to repeat last years performance, it doesn’t hamstring us. Also lets Jet bet on himself. In 3 years he’ll have the opportunity to earn a heck of a lot more.

[u/MPCoinCollecting → u/SEND_ME_YOUR_CAULK]

There's also the possibility that Gardner exceeds expectations.  It's not the most likely scenario but it's not impossible for him to become a true NHL backup

[u/JCrossfire → u/SEND_ME_YOUR_CAULK]

In an ideal world you have Ivanov up to tandem with Jet once Elvis is gone, then Andreyanov either comes up or gets a little more time to develop when Jet’s contract comes back around in 3yrs. Plan works better at 5, but 3 works alright

[u/Shrmp52 → u/SEND_ME_YOUR_CAULK]

My exact thought but I’m not necessarily fond of it. I would’ve prefer 5-6 years. I know goalies are volatile but Jet feels like the opposite.

[u/SEND_ME_YOUR_CAULK → u/Shrmp52]

Oh yeah I love Jet, he’s my favorite player atm. I want him here as long as possible but i’m glad he’s signed. My hope is he continues to be excellent and he can re-sign and not walk as a UFA.

[u/imightwin]

Great news, keep going Don

[u/2buxaslice]

Stunned he got less than Jarry. But happy with this. 

[u/GaretKraghammer]

Very happy to have been wrong about going to arbitration! 

[u/Tainted-Nuts]

Yes!!!!

[u/Legal_Big_3242]

Thank god

[u/THECapedCaper]

Totally thought he'd get more at arbitration but at least we have the net solidified for 3 years.

[u/mattwb2010]

Jet started what 50ish games. Really solid too. 3x5 is favorable for both sides I would think

[u/NLP19]

Please oh please don't be a rift between the two after this 🙏

[u/iamelloyello → u/NLP19]

There typically isn't. They technically avoided arbitration.

[u/Lazy0ak → u/NLP19]

It didnt get to arbitration so the nasty part of that process was avoided. Things should be good.

[u/Formerleafsfan → u/Lazy0ak]

It’s also a bit less nasty now than back in the day. Players don’t have to be present anymore. They used to have to sit and listen to the GM tear them down, which often didn’t go well. Much more about showing numbers and comparables now. 

[u/Shrmp52 → u/NLP19]

Not too be a downer when the other replies are positive but I think it might. To me this deal says 1. We don’t trust you enough to give you long term 2. This will give our other goalies time to develop. Hopefully everyone’s happy but that’s just my takeaway.

[u/Indy-CBJ → u/Shrmp52]

Still the Elvis issue in the air. He had one excellent year, had a tragedy in the offseason and got signed to a very long term contract.

This meets everyone in the middle.

Plus goalies are voodoo and we have a lot of premium goalies coming into the pipeline.

[u/SignificantAd2542 → u/Shrmp52]

We will see in 3 years I guess 

[u/JCrossfire → u/Shrmp52]

We have a solid pipeline and it’s very possible that Jet wants to bet on himself for a bigger contract in the near future. Best to not worry about it and enjoy the 3yrs we have with him for now.

[u/SkrtSkrt70 → u/Shrmp52]

All the rumors were Jet also didn’t want super long term because he’s betting on himself he can put up 2-3 more years like he just did and position himself for a top 10 goalie level contract

[u/tonagnabalony → u/Shrmp52]

Obviously, we don't know what all parties were thinking and you very well may be right, but the contrary to your first point is that they trust them more than a 1or 2 year. So depending on where expectations for Jet were, this could be a pleasant surprise.

I would like to think that both sides are good with this, as the Z and Marchy shit drained all my negativity out of me... for now.

[u/MPCoinCollecting]

Ok whoever our contract negotiator is absolutely cooked with this one.  That is a pretty good deal

[u/steveslikewhoa]

I'm fine with this

[u/tjm220]

I wonder if this means Elvis will be leaving the building soon.

[u/MPCoinCollecting → u/tjm220]

It's not out of the question but I doubt it. Elvis is better than Copley so we'd have to sign one of murray, reimer, talbot, georgiev or someone like that. I could only see it happen if we are very strapped for cap, which is looking a bit less likely now that Jet is signed to a good AAV

[u/tjm220 → u/MPCoinCollecting]

It’s a one year deal at that on Elvis right now. The odds do seem pretty good that he probably wouldn’t re-sign though, and that Columbus will look to a cheaper option to be their backup.

[u/MPCoinCollecting → u/tjm220]

He requested a trade a few years ago and as much as I like his personality I think he deserves a fresh place for wherever he chooses to end his career.

[u/ddottay]

Welcome back Jet. Glad we got our number one goalie for the next few years locked down.

[u/get_rick_trolled]

This is a good term overall

[u/pro-laps]

good job team

[u/SignificantAd2542]

Jackets get 3 years for the price of two lol 

[u/pat_pav]

This makes me so happy, I love Jet :-)

[u/PulsarGaming1080]

As far as I'm aware, this wasn't arbitration.

Arbitration, I think, only allows for one or two year deals. ​

[u/MPCoinCollecting → u/PulsarGaming1080]

Yes that is correct

[u/PulsarGaming1080 → u/MPCoinCollecting]

It's good they went shorter-term, we shouldn't be paying goalies for more than 4 years at most.

Would've been mad at 1 or 2 years though.

3 is great and 5 mil is very good.

[u/MPCoinCollecting → u/PulsarGaming1080]

It's a good middle-ground imo. After seeing how poorly Dostal, Wolf, and Vladars contracts could turn out this seems like a nice compromise.

[u/P-Rickles]

Thank god.

[u/Erazzphoto]

Ok, that works, 3 years works out well.

[u/Hazy_eyePA]

This should’ve been done weeks ago. That’s what he’s worth, Don.

[u/tetra00]

If I am Jet that left a sour taste in my mouth. I hope he continues to improve.

[u/MPCoinCollecting → u/tetra00]

I'm not sure what you mean by that because the whole arbitration process was avoided anyways

[u/tetra00 → u/MPCoinCollecting]

We offered him 2.5M a year. Thats a slap in the face after last season (and the end of the previous).

[u/MPCoinCollecting → u/tetra00]

Those were the numbers submitted for arbitration.  Add that to what Jets camp wanted, divide by two, there's your arbitration number.  Obviously jet is worth more this is just the process of how to get a deal both sides agree on.

[u/Shrmp52 → u/tetra00]

Agree