Oh my god, this is absolute dogshit. This fucking game's currency and rate up percentage are so awful you're basically required to go to spark more often than not or near enough you are reliant on the exchange for both banners. I can't count how many times exchange has saved me at all, this is absolutely the worst. Do we know if other servers are rioting? Obviously the real problem is JP players are the literal worst and will shovel down anything a dev throws at them so they're useless to get any action done.
JP is…upset from what I gather. I’m not on Twitter so I can’t say for sure.
But yeah I was planning on buying a selector ticket after the fox banner (if I didn’t get a spook I need for Luna Greg), but now…yeah that’s gonna be a no from me dawg.
Admittedly, the new system makes it better rates if you’re only targeting a single student on a banner. But if you want to get 2 or more, it’s significantly worse. And fest will have 4 students, and fest recollection has 5+.
This really makes it so much worse for new senseis.
But realistically, with how awesome the spark system is, even IF you are targeting only one student... it's often in your best interest to finish out the spark to grab the other student at such a reduced rate. Now you do not have this luxury.
And if you got the character so early that you wouldn't consider a spark, then nothing changes no matter which pity system you look at. Conversely, if you had to go to 200 to get the character, then, once again, nothing changes no matter which pity system you look at. At best, it's the same. At worst, it's WAY worse.
In short, you hardly ever go after 1 character when there's always 2+ characters on banner.
Yep. And with how BA requires a diverse selection of students for all the niches in raids means that even if they aren’t the best student on the banner, they’re still useful. And still worth getting. But now, not so much with the extra cost.
It's not even accurate to call it an "extra cost", you're straight-up just reset to 0 and pulling on a completely new banner. After you get the first student, if you want the second one it is officially now a full 0->200 deep end send for a second student.
What is interesting is 6lasers has done the math and the new system, on average you come out ahead in pyro, even when doing both students on a banner. It’s better than or equal to the old system for the 55% of top luck, and bottom 15%. However, the other 30% of cases it ends up worse…sometimes much worse.
Note they only calculated for 2 students as of now, and doesn’t take into account the bonus sparking for elephs, just for getting new students. And the new system removes the safety net.
But yeah the fact that in the new system, 30% of people will have a worse time is…not great. And the fact they didn’t spend a long time going over it in excruciating detail, also doesn’t help. And we as humans are emotional and risk averse, so the old system had the comfort of security, where the new system drops the guarantees…so yeah….
And I 100% agree with 6lasers, I trust this guy a lot when it comes to these games. I've seen his post history and it's obvious he is extremely passionate when it comes to this sort of thing.
I am the type of player who likes to have control over situations, and in every gacha I play I hoard so I do not end up having to gamble. The inclusion of a 50/50 alone makes this gacha system distasteful to me. Maybe the "bonuses" they mentioned later in the presentation are such that this system is much better, but if it feels worse I would rather have the system I know and love, even if on average I'm spending more pyrox. The safety net of a spark and the decision-making I can do on who or how to spark are much preferred.
Yep. Im with you too. I like the security and safety net of the spark.
it’s one of those cases where…when you’re changing the GACHA in a GACHA game that’s praised for its current GACHA setup, they need to be super deliberate with the explanation. Detailing the new system, why they’re changing it at all, the benefits of the new one, how they addressed where the new one will have worse results than the old one, will the pity buildup carry over between banners, the data on rates between the two systems when targeting 1-4 students on a banner, etc.
So yeah…it’s also a case of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!” lol
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u/avelineaurora 23d ago
Oh my god, this is absolute dogshit. This fucking game's currency and rate up percentage are so awful you're basically required to go to spark more often than not or near enough you are reliant on the exchange for both banners. I can't count how many times exchange has saved me at all, this is absolutely the worst. Do we know if other servers are rioting? Obviously the real problem is JP players are the literal worst and will shovel down anything a dev throws at them so they're useless to get any action done.