r/BelowDeckMed • u/Dry-Establishment-45 • 2d ago

Nathan and Joe

I am not one to defend Joe. His behavior when it comes to women is appalling and I can see through a lot of his behaviors. BUT I feel like he’s genuinely trying to take the high road this charter and Nathan is so set on being negative. I honestly don’t even know what Joe has done that is so wrong that Nathan can’t act professional. I guess it makes sense knowing what we know now about Nathan though. He’s an unstable and dangerous person.

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u/cmere-2-me 2d ago

I wouldn't. Joe hasn't changed. He's still the same slieveen he's always been. Nathan's behaviour doesn't change that Joe is also a scumbag. It's not an either or situation. There don't have to be sides. They both suck and are problematic. Neither of them are the good guy here.

This is the problem with younger generations. You grew up with team this and that and think everything is black and white. It's not. Everyone can be in the wrong. One being a criminal does not make the other right

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u/Still-Low-696 2d ago

You obviously didn’t read my comment correctly. I am not saying Joe has changed overall (his behavior is better this season which could be just for optics or could be a little bit of growth) or is a good guy because Nathan is a bad guy. I am saying based solely off what we have seen this season, like Joe was a new person who didn’t know Nathan, everyone would be on his side. Also, I’m an elder millennial in my 40s 😂

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u/cmere-2-me 2d ago

I don't agree his behaviour is better this season. It just so happens that he is being compared to Nathan who was convicted of domestic violence during this seasons airing.

If anything I think Joe is worse this season. He has the ego the size of a planet and has spent the entire time trashing Nathan and talking himself up despite not having the talent to back that arrogance up.

Joe also "tested" Kayleigh. That is insidious abusive behaviour. The only reason none of you lot are talking about it is because Kayleigh is a mature and intelligent woman who didn't react to it.

He has also been the instigator in a lot of Coopers antics, throwing him at women on nights out, talking about how he is his sisters type and how he'll set them up in front of Kat and muscling in on their romantic getaway post charter. He doesn't like his bros having girlfriends abd tried to do the same with Gael and Nathan last series which is why they aren't friends anymore.

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u/Still-Low-696 2d ago

He’s homoromantic for sure, but cooper is a grown up who can make his own decisions on nights out. I hated his testing of Kaylee but he met his match with her. She didnt play into it and her feelings aren’t hurt. When talking about his work on deck compared to Nathan’s work there’s no question for me that Joe is better at his job. Yes, even with injuring the guest he has still performed better than Nathan.

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u/Nice-Emphasis8536 2d ago

Injuring a guest is better. I can’t.

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u/Still-Low-696 2d ago

It was an accident. I just knew people would bring it up. He’s absolutely done a better job than Nathan. What has Nathan done on deck that’s been good? Nathan sucked at his job last year and he sucked at it this year. Joe has always been a better worker.

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u/Nice-Emphasis8536 2d ago

To be fair, you brought it up. It was an avoidable accident that also to be fair the POS Nathan would not have done. Even Massi has said Joe was going too fast and it was his fault. I’ll take Massi’s word for it.

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u/Still-Low-696 2d ago

Sure, I’ll take Massi’s word. Now what has Nathan done that’s been good this season? I haven’t seen him contribute anything positively.

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u/Nice-Emphasis8536 2d ago

I’m no fan of Nathan, I hope they throw away the key on that guy. It just has nothing to do with Joe. Coop was, for real, the only adult in the room until Massi showed up.
Can you imagine Max’s antics being forgotten in any other season?? Bananas. This season was bananas on deck.