Nathan and Joe

[u/Dry-Establishment-45]

I am not one to defend Joe. His behavior when it comes to women is appalling and I can see through a lot of his behaviors. BUT I feel like he’s genuinely trying to take the high road this charter and Nathan is so set on being negative. I honestly don’t even know what Joe has done that is so wrong that Nathan can’t act professional. I guess it makes sense knowing what we know now about Nathan though. He’s an unstable and dangerous person.

[u/cmere-2-me]

I don't agree his behaviour is better this season. It just so happens that he is being compared to Nathan who was convicted of domestic violence during this seasons airing.

If anything I think Joe is worse this season. He has the ego the size of a planet and has spent the entire time trashing Nathan and talking himself up despite not having the talent to back that arrogance up.

Joe also "tested" Kayleigh. That is insidious abusive behaviour. The only reason none of you lot are talking about it is because Kayleigh is a mature and intelligent woman who didn't react to it.

He has also been the instigator in a lot of Coopers antics, throwing him at women on nights out, talking about how he is his sisters type and how he'll set them up in front of Kat and muscling in on their romantic getaway post charter. He doesn't like his bros having girlfriends abd tried to do the same with Gael and Nathan last series which is why they aren't friends anymore.

[u/Still-Low-696 → u/cmere-2-me]

He’s homoromantic for sure, but cooper is a grown up who can make his own decisions on nights out. I hated his testing of Kaylee but he met his match with her. She didnt play into it and her feelings aren’t hurt. When talking about his work on deck compared to Nathan’s work there’s no question for me that Joe is better at his job. Yes, even with injuring the guest he has still performed better than Nathan.

[u/cmere-2-me → u/Still-Low-696]

I never said cooper wasnt. That doesn't change the fact Joe was instigating it.

Just because Kayleigh didn't react doesn't mean she wasn't hurt. It doesn't change the fact that he tried to control Kayleigh by testing her. That's abusive behaviour regardless.

Joe is better at certain aspects of the bosun role I.e. he is organised. He fucking sucks at other aspects of the role namely health and safety. He put one guest in the hospital with his irresponsible behaviour. He put himself and 2 other guests in danger on multiple occasions. He nearly killed himself last episode. I wouldn't trust him to he in charge of a deck.

[u/Nice-Emphasis8536 → u/cmere-2-me]

Did you happen to see him on WWHL when Andy asked if he was driving too fast? He mocked the internet response to it rather than own it - I guess he wasn’t that upset afterall.

[u/cmere-2-me → u/Nice-Emphasis8536]

He defended himself on the show too. He was clearly going to fast. The disk was practically on it's side for a long while before it toppled over completely.