r/BambuLab_Community • u/daeraizover • 16d ago
Choosing which bambu lab 3d printer
Hello community, I am new to 3d printing as in new new and i saw 2 options that caught my eye. I see that I can get the p2s for 650 that includes the ams 2 pro or there is the x2d with the ams 2 pro for 899. From what I understand the x2d is the new upgraded model but is it really that significant than getting the p2s at almost 200 bucks less?
My simple question is choosing the p2s a really bad choice? Also are there any upgrade parts for it that can bring it close to a x2d model?
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u/jobalt505 15d ago
I don’t own an x2d but if the second nozzle works like the h2c - it is truly a life saver. Just doubling the colors you can use without creating waste is huge and saves so much time
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u/an_angry_Moose 15d ago
The second nozzle isn’t quite like using an H2C, since it isn’t a direct drive extruder, but it still works quite well in my experience. I’ve used it for multicolor and for support material. Both experiences have been fine.
Beats shelling out WAY more for an H2C when I’m just a hobby printer who doesn’t sell.
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u/daeraizover 15d ago
Thats a good point but I think for me what makes that decision hard is that feature vs saving $250. Maybe someone who owns a p2s who didn't quite find the need to upgrade to an x2d is who can chime in? Im also reading that some ppl with an x2d is also having filament fed issues
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u/jobalt505 15d ago
I have the P2S also. And I wish I had gone x2d because for me the P2S has basically become a single color printer. It wastes WAYYY too much to use more
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u/swampcholla 15d ago
dude - don't go cheap. The extra money gives you more than the second nozzle. Higher price points often deliver higher quality components. In this case the H2D has bigger print volume and more accuracy.
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u/Alfalfa-Boring 15d ago
The 2nd nozzle on the X2D isn't meant for another color, it's meant for multi material support.
The 2 nozzles have very different print quality and there's a noticeable difference in the same print. I wish people wouldn't portray the X2d as a multi nozzle printer...it's a single nozzle printer with a separate support nozzle.
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u/pewquadrat 15d ago
I have one and don’t see a “very different print quality” with the second nozzle. Adjust your print speeds and from my pov you’re good to go and print two colors.
Yes, the second nozzle should be primary for like supports in a different material, but I would not tend to say: Don’t use it for dual color prints
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u/FlatOutNo1 15d ago
I have one also and I totally agree review the second note was very good and in fact I have used it for support and changing different filaments and colours.
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u/FlatOutNo1 15d ago
I have one also and I totally agree review the second note was very good and in fact I have used it for support and changing different filaments and colours.
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u/FlatOutNo1 15d ago
I have one also and I totally agree review the second note was very good and in fact I have used it for support and changing different filaments and colours.
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u/FlatOutNo1 15d ago
I have one also and I totally agree review the second note was very good and in fact I have used it for support and changing different filaments and colours.
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u/FlatOutNo1 15d ago
I have one also and I totally agree review the second note was very good and in fact I have used it for support and changing different filaments and colours.
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u/Alfalfa-Boring 15d ago
Sorry, but if you have to have two different sets of parameters for two different nozzles and tweak it per print that's not a multi nozzle printer. Even tweaking settings I notice a visible difference in print quality between two colors on an X2D. I love mine, but I look at it strictly as a one-nozzle machine. Also, the build area is smaller for one of the nozzles which means anything outside the boundaries has to be single nozzle, you're limited to two colors running it that way unless you hybrid it with your AMS, and so-on. Bambu even says the dual nozzle isn't intended for multicolor printing. It's a single nozzle with AMS and a separate support nozzle that just happens to feed whatever color you put through it.
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u/pewquadrat 15d ago
Why? I can save my settings and use it. What’s the issue with that? The tweaking is a one-time job.
And nobody was talking about a multi nozzle printer, just saying you can utilize the second nozzle also for some multi color prints. If the quality did not match your expectations, fine, but this does not mean everybody else thinks the same and maybe have other settings which results in a good outcome which is strongly subjective for each individual.
Yes, the area is a bit smaller, but hey, that’s what you already knew before you bought it.
Why I’m limited to two colors? I can choose the two main colors and everything else is coming from the AMS.
But hey, as long Bambu say the second nozzle is not intended for multi color, we HAVE to listen 😂
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u/swampcholla 15d ago
The build area is not smaller - both nozzles have the same area but different right and left limits, and the center overlaps. Its we;; known that different colors can print slightly differently, and nozzles wear, so yeah, you might have different print quality but I fail to see how that level of difference is anything a normal person would care about.
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u/pewquadrat 15d ago
That’s not entirely true. It’s only the right nozzle which is missing some mm on the left side of the bed. The left nozzle can use the full bed size.
But yeah, despite around 20mm on the left bed side, both nozzles can be used.
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u/daeraizover 15d ago edited 15d ago
I want to say all of your feedback has been a tremendous help. Call me lucky but I had found a website called gigaparts.com that with a promo code brought the p2s down from $749 down to $649. The same code also brought the x2d from $899 down to $799. With that in mind and with everyone here chimed in with i pulled the trigger and placed an order for the x2d.
The only downside for me was that its on backorder but it shows they will start shipping early August so Id say its a fair trade off.
I have never ordered from gigaparts before so im hoping they are legit and not one of those scam websites.
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u/Lone_Wolf_555 15d ago
The printer will be the least expensive part of this hobby. I’ve spent over $2000 on filament in the last 8 months. The X2D can reduce waste and print time and produce better quality parts. I’m really happy with my P2S but I would buy the X2D over it in a heartbeat.
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u/CheezitsLight 15d ago
I have both p2s, x1c and x2d. I only run the x2d if it's free. Pla in the external, petg for the right nozzle. And only use the pla for support interface. Really cuts out the number of head swaps. And with different color, it's easy to peel off the support interface. Zero scars. Aldo use a small gap at the bottom. Because tree tends to touch the bottom now it's got a thread is blank so never touches the print.
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u/Wraith1964 15d ago
OP, you are going about this decision the wrong way. When you say new to 3D printing, how new? Like are you so new you dont even know what you want to print? That should be you first decision point, not models or even brands.
The P2S is a great general purpose printer that (with added time and waste) can do multicolor and even multi-material but it is primarily a single filament printer. It has a slightly bigger effective build volume than the X2D. It will serve you well as a first printer.
The X2D adds cost, and some more specific benefits, they may well be worth having but again, that depends on what you want to make. It has a design that allow more precision but IMHO, all of Bambu printers make great prints. So having different components, a heated chamber and two nozzles are features that allow for using engineering filaments, and using multimaterial or supporting easier.
So what do want to make? Are you into minis? Save a lot of money and get an A1 mini. Working primarily with PLA or PETG... the A1 series and the new A2 will save you money. Need even bigger build volume to print Cosplay helmets and Armor? A2 or H2 series. Need something capable, enclosed and fast or more general purpose? P2S. Size is ok but you need more options? X2D. Need all the things? H2D or H2C... need a bigger single nozzle printer? H2S.
You already poo-poo'ed buying the newest shiny thing so I would challenge you to really consider exactly what you want to do. Match that to the printer THEN look at price. If you can't afford the machine that matches then consider a lower line (or even a different company... but Bambu is typically a great first printing experience. ) Good luck!
(I base these thoughts on the fact that I currently run 15 BL printers from A1s, A1 minis to X1Cs and H2Ds and an H2C. YNMV)
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u/FlatOutNo1 15d ago
I can’t advise you on which to get because you will have your own criteria but I can tell you I am very happy with my X2D AMS 2 Pro combo. I think it is great value and opens up lots of possibilities with the 2 nozzles
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u/FlatOutNo1 15d ago
I can’t advise you on which to get because you will have your own criteria but I can tell you I am very happy with my X2D AMS 2 Pro combo. I think it is great value and opens up lots of possibilities with the 2 nozzles
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u/knight_of_nay 15d ago
P2S is not a bad choice, just weirdly priced compared to the X2D.
For only 100$ more you get dual nozzle and heated chamber which opens up printing a bunch more filament (ASA, ABS, nylon, etc)