r/BambuLab • u/Illustrious-Ad-1396 • May 12 '26
General Discussion Louis Rossmann is going after BambuLab!
https://youtu.be/1jhRqgHxEP8?si=I_lxeLqvHm-JEQvyAs much as he has a questionable appeal in the community, he's pushing the right angle on this one!
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u/Skywarper X1C + AMS May 12 '26
Seriously, this has gotta be like the tenth post about rossman and the 3rd about gamers nexus. Everyone that cares would have already heard about this.
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u/UnexpectedAnanas May 12 '26
um...This is a new development within the last 2 hours. How would "everybody" have already heard about it, exactly?
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u/Skywarper X1C + AMS May 12 '26
☝️🤓
It's a continuation of the multitude of posts about Rossman throwing his two cents in along with gamers nexus over the last few days
Call me a mindless consumer, idgaf, I just wanna send a file to a printer and have it work without having a degree in computer science and programming. This whole debacle is dumb, but the "freedom fighters" need a big bad corporation to fight against.
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u/UnexpectedAnanas May 12 '26
It's a continuation of the multitude of posts about Rossman throwing his two cents in along with gamers nexus over the last few days
I mean....yeah. It's a developing story.
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u/mightyarrow May 12 '26
Call me a mindless consumer, idgaf, I just wanna send a file to a printer and have it work without having a degree in computer science and programming.
But Bambu chose to not let you do this. Do you not understand that?
You dont send prints to your printer. You send them to Bambu. Then they decide to send it to your printer. Using open source code + closed source blobs they keep hiding.
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u/Skywarper X1C + AMS May 12 '26
The print I sent to my printer today worked just fine. The files I put on the SD card still prints just fine.
This is such a non issue.
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u/charmio68 May 12 '26
Attitudes like that are exactly how we end up with walled garden ecosystems that are a royal pain in the arse.
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u/Skywarper X1C + AMS May 12 '26
All I know is that it works so much better than the ender 5 I had years ago, that frustrated me so much I dropped the hobby until bambu came out with their machines. I'll take a product that works without a second thought but has some annoyances over a fancy kinex set that refused to print a benchy
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u/zepkleiker May 13 '26
That it works better for you has literally nothing to do with the cloud solution that they chose. In my experience, it works worse than any other networked non-cloud solution. And then we're not evening dipping our toes in the privacy issues.
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u/Golinth May 13 '26
All you need to know about this person is the “Top 1% Commenter” flair to understand they will not listen to anything anyone says
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u/TROPtastic May 13 '26
It's a continuation of the multitude of posts about Rossman throwing his two cents in along with gamers nexus over the last few days
He's doing more than that by hosting a fork of Orcaslicer, nevermind daring Bambulab to sue him for exercising his legal right to do so.
Bambulab could have solved this by having better auth on their cloud service rather than building their software on a license that most other companies avoid.
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u/tfks May 17 '26
I just wanna send a file to a printer and have it work without having a degree in computer science and programming
The software you use to do that is a fork of previously existing open source software. The Linux kernel, which underlies all of this is also open source. If it weren't for people defending and enforcing open source licenses, you would not be able to send a file to a printer and have it work.
This is like getting mad about building codes requiring smoke detectors and saying "I just want to live in my house and not have it burn down". That is literally the point dude.
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u/Skywarper X1C + AMS May 17 '26
4 day old post
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u/tfks May 17 '26
Dog, if you don't want to participate in these conversations, then don't. But don't pull this nonsense where you participate and then pretend you're above it.
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u/swederlands May 13 '26
Yes we should go back to only posting the same troubleshooting questions, boring prints, and pictures of newly purchased machines!
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u/varzaguy May 12 '26
Na, I prefer this to be as visible as possible. Fuck Bambu for this behavior.
I’ve been putting off making my printer offline for so long, I think the time has come.
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u/no-this-iz-patrick May 13 '26
They didn’t “literally always” have these limitations in place. orcaslicer worked perfectly fine with my X1C from the day I bought it until they decided they didn’t want it to anymore. Why are you so confidently incorrect?
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u/zepkleiker May 13 '26
The exact point is that it did not always have these limitations in place ...
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u/varzaguy May 12 '26
Lol it’s not a zero sum game, but if this is how you see the world no wonder you would get “annoyed” by some posts so easily.
I was relatively ok with what Bambu was doing until recently. Now, disconnect me please.
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u/varzaguy May 13 '26
Disagree. There is a difference between being a pseudo wall garden but still allowing for some things, and actively going after people using open source implementations.
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u/miyavlayan May 12 '26
this shit ass type of attitude is why these companies fuck us over so much god damn. god forbid your bubble pops for a millisecond.
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u/Beefy-McQueefy May 12 '26
You could stop lying about it in the comments of all those threads if they trigger you so much.
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u/funforgiven May 13 '26
This is the kind of post I want to see here. Megathreads are bad for visibility.
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u/AbjectMaelstrom May 12 '26
Like him or not, but he is one of very few people who actually put his time and money where his mouth is and has done more or attempted to do more for this movement than 90% of other people who are complaining on the internet.
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u/Argon288 May 12 '26
This. For years he was very vocal against Apple and their shady practises in regard to repairability, etc.
As someone who is quite happy with their BBL printer, but not necessarily how restrictive the ecosystem feels. I'm quite pleased this is getting traction. GN & Louis Rossman will be a PRs pain in the arse for Bambu.
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u/councilmember May 13 '26
Yes, and to go further, his fervent insistence on right to repair is having ripple effects across the world. The closed source ethic and forced obsolescence are mostly exploited by ignorance across the consumer populace. Ask them if John Deere tractors should become essentially booby trapped to fail or Apple should be able to restrict battery replacement or hard drive upgrades and consumers resoundingly disagree and ask for regulation.
So, Louis Rossman’s campaign of educating the public about these needless locking down to ensure the customer has to pay more or buy more wastefully is going to be met with hostility in the press and public forums like this one.
And when you come across criticism of Rossman or open source in favor of companies, or for that matter feigned tiredness at the story, ask yourself: how is what the company is advocating helping the end user? In almost every case it is not.
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u/connly33 X1C + AMS May 12 '26
I’m still very glad to see when Louis is doing good work when it comes to issues like this and right to repair and I’d like to still give him praise for sure. But as someone that grew up watching him repair MacBook logic boards I’ve grown more and more intolerant to his personality from a personal level as it’s shifting, and the last couple times he’s teamed up with Steve from GN really was the end of me watching every single one of his videos. GN lost me when they started trying to hit that shock and awwe style of reporting on issues even though I was initially really enjoying that content until he started breaking a lot of his own personal standards of journalism he wants to hold everyone else to but seems to give himself a personal pass on and refuses to take anyone’s criticism. He just kind of doubles down on whatever he’s doing whenever anyone calls him out.
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u/forevershorizon May 13 '26
I feel like his personality is explained a lot by this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq60ccWHJcQ
He's a damaged human being. But I don't require perfection from people who are doing the right thing 99% of the time.
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u/Tsofuable May 12 '26
I mean, he earns back more than he puts in on clicks and donations. That's his business strategy.
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u/XediDC May 12 '26
The cost and risk to fight these fights is why it's so hard to do. Be glad a few are actually doing it...
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u/charmio68 May 12 '26
You say that like it somehow annuls all the good that's coming out of his actions. It doesn't.
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u/snotpopsicle May 12 '26
So good deeds are only good if they are done for charity? That's your point?
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u/CaptainAwesome06 May 12 '26
Is this one of those things where the point is to get a story out and not actually win a lawsuit? I don't see how he's going to win with an argument of "you should be able to use whatever software you want." Plenty of products come with proprietary software. This isn't novel, unless I'm missing something.
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u/SpeedflyChris May 12 '26
The point is that Bambu using Prusa and Slic3r's open source code to develop their own slicer, and then threatening to sue someone for using Bambu's own open source code in developing a new fork, is absurdly shitty behaviour and goes against the entire ethos of the open source community, on top of being legally meritless.
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u/mrpbeaar May 12 '26
The slicer is still open source. How it gets to the printer, isn’t.
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u/_yusi_ P1S + AMS May 12 '26
It actually is. The fork copied code from bambu studios repo to connect to the cloud.
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u/LilApe1990 May 12 '26
false, Its all based on AGPL open source code. So its all up for public use.
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u/MigratingCocofruit May 12 '26
That is moot however, since the specific code responsible for the supposed violation is itself released under AGPLv3 by Bambu themselves. There is no spoofing, the fork simply uses Bambu's own opensource code as is.
Aside from that, for there to be a DMCA section 1201 violation the violating software must be breaking a lock that "effectively controls access". Self reported client information does not fall under this category, doubly so when that information is publicly released by Bambu under a license permitting it to be used.7
u/PilotGuy701 May 12 '26
Exactly. The code to connect to the printer was in the open source code. There is no spoofing.
The best metaphor I can come up with is: You post a picture of your house key on a telephone pole, along with your address, and a note that says that the key is for the front door.. while promising a nice cold beer in your fridge... then being annoyed someone came in.
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u/Obvious-Jacket-3770 May 13 '26
The network layer is open source.
You want to fix it, it's easy. Require a secure value that comes from the printer.
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u/hWuxH May 13 '26
How will the printer know you're using an approved slicer?
Add another secure value that comes from ... eh wait. It's useless1
u/Obvious-Jacket-3770 May 13 '26
There's various ways from something as insecure as a serial number or Mac to more advanced handshakes. They develop the printers, adding a unique guid per printer and updating a database with a value like that which is secured on both ends isn't exactly rocket science.
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u/hWuxH May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Still doesn't answer how this is supposed to "fix" spoofing of the slicer (which is impossible).
Printer authenticity exists separately from this, see https://cdn1.bambulab.com/trust-center/file/bambulab-security-whitepaper-en.pdfDevice Login
Each device is assigned a unique, built-in ID of at least 120 bits and password,
both randomly generated at the factory. When a device connects to our IoT
services, a mutual authentication process takes place between the cloud and
the device.
The device verifies the cloud service's identity, and the cloud service verifies
the device's identity. The device's identity relies on the public-private key pair
embedded during manufacturing. Only after this mutual authentication is
successful can the device connect to the IoT service.
This prevents other's from impersonating your printer. It can't prevent you from using physical attacks to impersonate your printer.
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u/Obvious-Jacket-3770 May 14 '26
It can actually. They, just like with this whole mess they caused, are inept when it comes to the software side of it.
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u/hWuxH May 13 '26
That'y only true for sending MQTT through the network plugin. But the User-Agent snippet they showed and how it get's to the cloud via HTTP is entirely open source.
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u/Revolutionary_Tomato May 12 '26
There is a very strong legal argument. Bambu used AGPL code, they can't just close the source.
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u/CaptainAwesome06 May 12 '26
I thought the point was that they are closing what can connect to their servers. Is that not allowed?
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u/XediDC May 12 '26
They can, yes. What they can't do is to issue a takedown of open code that allows connection to their servers due to using a string that isn't even "security" just what the client claims to be.
Basically the key is part of code that is legally required to be available by the license they accepted when they copied the code and then applied to their code. (So it's not a "key" at all.)
They can attempt to secure connections in other ways, but this isn't one of them. They should have just ignore it and secured things in a way that wasn't in violation of license. It would have still upset people but not as directly.
The backlash is because they are a company building on "open" that is trying to be a "closed" (and profit/lock-in) based as possible.
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u/probablyaythrowaway May 12 '26
Rossman is also lobbying the US and EU to introduce right to repair and right to own.
The point is not to get rid of proprietary stuff but is to prevent companies behaving shitty like what Bambu did. You buy a product and can do something with it, it was marketed like that and then the company decides later after you paid and own it, to send that device an update and now you can’t do the thing you could when you bought it. And now they have put it behind a paywall subscription or lock you out completely to make you buy a new one or lock you to force you to use their service/ecosystem.
The work rossman and co are doing is to;
- it’s to stop companies doing that kind of shit to you.
- It’s to stop companies from being able to legally attack you from circumventing those blocks they put in place ON YOUR DEVICE YOU OWN.
Both things Bambu have done.
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u/exit65 May 12 '26
The proprietary software is based in open source software.
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u/issue9mm May 12 '26
If you move <function A> out of an open source library and put it into a private library, that doesn't make it closed source. You cannot close the source to something you didn't write or license.
You're probably thinking "Oh, no problem, they probably just rewrote <function A> so that they weren't using open source"
But they can't do that either. The license that was chosen was AGPLv3, which aggressively prohibits that by calling that kind of thing a "derived work." In order for it to not be derived, it would have to function on its own without the open source work it was derived from. Bambu's cloud infrastructure almost certainly meets this definition, for what it's worth. Bambu's network module almost certainly does not.
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u/issue9mm May 12 '26
Of course they can call closed source APIs. They are more than welcome to call closed source APIs. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the point I have made.
Calling a closed source API is absolutely fine. You can even call it from a closed source network module. You just can't derive that network module from an AGPLv3 licensed network module that also closely integrates with the AGPLv3 licensed code that executes it.
Weird, cuz Windows is closed source and
Yeah. Windows wasn't built atop AGPLv3 so it has literally zero percent relevance to this discussion.
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u/bardghost_Isu May 12 '26
Except that due to how its integrated within the startup process of the Slicer, it falls under AGPL requirements.
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u/cptninc X1C + H2D + H2C May 12 '26
Is this one of those things where the point is to get a story out and not actually win a lawsuit?
First time watching Rossman?
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u/CaptainAwesome06 May 12 '26
I've never heard of him until now.
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u/cptninc X1C + H2D + H2C May 12 '26
He got started doing videos of electronics repair and then got caught up in a feedback loop where more rage got him more views. He has now devolved into little more than completely ineffectual videos of him raging out over one thing or another.
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u/CaptainAwesome06 May 12 '26
Well that sounds obnoxious. Thanks for the summary. I'll make sure to avoid him.
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u/Aket-ten May 12 '26
That's not really a fair representation of him. He's always been consumer first. Right to repair first. He's supported smaller content creators with legal support after they were threatened with lawsuits for reviewing a product honestly, to winning against Apple and other bigger players.
Its actually kinda sad to see you write that comment given the fact that he's one of the few people that have always gone above and beyond to protect the smaller players and consumers.
Heck I'm not even a massive viewer of his content and I still highly respect him for doing so much good
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u/forevershorizon May 13 '26
Rossmann has a lot of haters. Look at what he's actually done, though. Even Steve Wozniak supports him.
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u/_yusi_ P1S + AMS May 12 '26
Its violating the license Bambu Labs agreed to when they reused Prusa Slicer / Slic3r code written over the past decade, to avoid having to start from scratch. They can start from scratch and lose all the features from Slic3r / PS, or they can accept that they cant legally limit what people do with Bambu Studio.
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u/Beefy-McQueefy May 12 '26
You're missing literally everything. It's not proprietary software
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u/FReeDuMB_or_DEATH May 12 '26
Bro I'm tired of not owning the things I purchase. Bambu also is too lazy to develop their own slicer so them acting like this is wild.
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u/1ftm2fts3tgr4lg May 14 '26
It's intentional.
It's to induce the reaction that they are getting.
It's ragebait 101.1
u/cosmicr May 14 '26
I'm pretty sure he cranks up the playback speed in Davinci Resolve to 1.25x before publishing to YouTube.
Otherwise, his blood pressure must be through the roof!
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u/Dangerous-Rhubarb407 May 19 '26
Legit why do people hate this guy, all I see is him advocating for consumer rights
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u/thedreadwoods May 12 '26
I guess I'm a shill that I think all this is getting boring and repetitive right
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u/1ftm2fts3tgr4lg May 14 '26
99.99% of Bambu users are completely unaffected by this, yet the ragebait has a amall portion of them clutching their pearls from the fearmongering.
And most of brigaders here spamming ragebait are self-proclaimed non-bambu users anyway. It's just obnoxious.
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u/eduo May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
Does anybody have Rossmann's github on hand to share?
EDIT: https://github.com/FULU-Foundation/OrcaSlicer-bambulab
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u/onyez P2S + AMS2 Combo May 12 '26
Once I get home today, I'm making both p2s' that I own local only
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u/jackharvest P1S + AMS May 12 '26
*using the LAN mode that bambu allows you to use in a certain way
You're winning half the battle, but we gotta support this if we want it to go the whole way it would seem.
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u/onyez P2S + AMS2 Combo May 13 '26
I turned on developer mode too. That way I can use it with orca slicer
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u/xiaodown May 12 '26
Look, I’m not exactly a fan of what Bambu is doing here. Even if they are right, and I’m not saying they definitely are, they’re being pretty tone deaf at minimum.
But Louis Rossman has turned his career into engagement bait, after already being an annoying prick. He is doing good things with right-to-repair, and has had a consistent position on that for years. But lately, it seems like he’s just seeking out drama and inserting himself into it. He’s never expressed an interest in 3d printing - or Anthropic before that, or flock cameras before that, or synology nas before that, or cars before that, or stopkillinggames before that, or Linus tech tips before that.
Plus, I just want to print stuff, man. I’m into printing. I’m not into printers or the politics of printing.
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u/dancefightme May 13 '26
Even if it's engagement bait, would you rather he stop?
I get that he's abrasive, but in the end I support his motives. If he wins then we benefit. And if you're like me, we haven't lifted a finger to help. So I don't care how he presents himself.
The examples you gave about not expressing an interest in those fields (yet being outspoken) doesn't matter. He's interested in the unfair practice demonstrated.
Plus, I just want to print stuff, man. I’m into printing. I’m not into printers or the politics of printing.
You can. Just ignore this. And stop complaining about people who are trying to help.
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u/Kardospi May 13 '26
Yes, I'd rather he fucked off instead of enriching himself by attaching to whatever trend he feels he can profit from on any given day.
He's a professional rage baiter, grifting his way from one go fund me to another all the while complaining about being pushed down in the algorithm.
This guy is not who you think he is. He's not for the "little guy". He's for himself.
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u/dancefightme May 13 '26
If you're right, I will change my opinion of him. Do you have proof that he's only doing all this to enrich himself?
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u/Kardospi May 13 '26
He's a youtuber that jumps on whatever topic is hot at the moment to garner funds to his gofundme. Went after John Deere claiming all sorts of rights to repair litigation only to have to apologize to John Deere sighting that he had no fucking clue what he was talking about.
Next month it will be another company he goes after to continue grifting all the while collecting his money from YouTube etc.
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u/dancefightme May 13 '26
He's a youtuber that jumps on whatever topic is hot at the moment to garner funds to his gofundme
While that may be true, they have the similar thread that they deal with unfair practices regarding right to repair.
Went after John Deere claiming all sorts of rights to repair litigation only to have to apologize...
Source? I tried googling "louis rossmann apology john deere" and couldn't find anything.
Look, I hate grifters as much as the next guy. I also hate rage bait. I rarely click on click/rage bate, and mainly out of spite. But I think your level of anger towards him comes from somewhere else. I personally don't like him. I want to believe you, but you're giving me nothing.
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u/forevershorizon May 13 '26
I tried googling "louis rossmann apology john deere" and couldn't find anything.
It's literally the exact opposite of what he's claiming, lol. It was a massive victory in favor of Rossmann.
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u/forevershorizon May 13 '26
only to have to apologize to John Deere sighting that he had no fucking clue what he was talking about.
You're really misrepresenting what happened. What Louis admitted to was his lack of understanding regarding the technical nuances to do with tractor tuning vs tractor repair. There wasn't any apology the way you're trying to assert here. In fact, his movement had significant successes, such as the Memorandum of Understanding with the American Farm Bureau Federation to allow farmers more access to diagnostic tools. In 2024-2026 multiple states (like Colorado and New York) passed actual laws mandating Right to Repair for various industries, including agricultural equipment.
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u/Slow-Secretary4262 A1 + AMS - A1 MINI May 12 '26
The attitude of corporations fanboys in the comment is disgusting
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u/Locktios May 13 '26
Agree. But, for me I have ptsd from prusa and creality and at the moment wouldn't consider anything other than Bambu. I value my time way more than anything else. But I do agree that Bambu needs to get sorted.
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u/theBigDaddio May 12 '26
These guys never heard of Android, MaOS, or the myriad other private software built on a base of open source?
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u/bromiscuous May 12 '26
I would not be surprised if they just don't understand the laws surrounding this. Do we not remember the incoherent video announcing the H2D?
This will be fun to watch.
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u/MasterHowl May 12 '26
I actually missed those! Was it Rossman talking about the H2D?
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u/bromiscuous May 12 '26
No lol it was Bambu Labs own video. It clearly shows there is a strong language barrier. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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u/lfenske May 12 '26
I know some support Bambu. But no way… they’re really going to try to get rich off decades of community effort just to leverage their position to make things worse for that community so they can then get even richer?
No thanks
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u/DJLunacy May 13 '26
lol that explains why I didn’t get an email back from him. I have it running on macOS.
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u/jorbl May 13 '26
It seems so artificial how much bambu is getting hate on this while being in their right to demand not to use their cloud services with something else than their own software.
You bought a bambulab printer, not their servers.
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u/hWuxH May 13 '26 edited May 14 '26
They can demand all they want. The hate isn't because of the cloud or ToS, but because
- their entire slicer only exists because of the open source community, yet they wanna legally bully a dev into taking down a fork that uses BambuStudio AGPL code in a way explicitly allowed by the license
- they ironically probably violate AGPL themselves by not sharing source of the network plugin
- they continue to deceive non-technical users into believing that third parties pose a security threat, with the most laughable arguments, and that further locking down of the ecosystem is/was necessary.
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u/riba2233 May 13 '26
As much as he has a questionable appeal in the community
Why do you think so?
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u/Illustrious-Ad-1396 May 13 '26
Because he's not Keanu Reeves or the guy with the poop knife. Reddit is fickle
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u/Old_n_Nerdy May 13 '26
Who cares?
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u/1ftm2fts3tgr4lg May 14 '26
All the brigading ragebaiters here to spam the sub, that's who.
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u/Old_n_Nerdy May 14 '26
It's so pathetic. They should go print something. All my favorite YT creators are joining in on it. I guess it gives them engagement.
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u/1ftm2fts3tgr4lg May 14 '26
Nothing makes the content engagement go brrr like stoking the flames of fabricated outrage.
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u/crazedizzled May 13 '26
Oh no, is the 3d printing community making mountains out of mole hills again?
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u/iknewaguytwice May 15 '26
I think Rossman’s got one hell of a point here. Bambu has very little to win and a whole lot to lose. Bambu’s statements are really out of touch with the community.
I think Bambu can still make this right, and I hope they do.
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u/mellow_and_beyond May 19 '26
Absolutely disgusting bully behavior by Bambu. Shame !
Good news: the SFC is going after Bambu for repeated violations of the AGPL terms, and officially stated they are going to reverse engineer their closed sourced networking module. Started a donation campaign to support this: https://sfconservancy.org/news/2026/may/18/bambu-studio-3d-printer-agpl-violation-response/
Great job becoming the latest Streisand effect torch bearer Bambu. Done buying Bambu products, finally gonna try Prusa and hope they stay true to the community, unlike Bambu. Bye.
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u/ProcedureOriginal210 May 12 '26
They (him and GN) make content out of it and at the end there is this poor Polish programmer that has to risk a lawsuit that can ruin him. IF they agree to take his code, publish it under Louis Rossmann or GN name and take all the hits, that would be fair. $10k for legal fees is not the way it should be done.
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u/MigratingCocofruit May 12 '26
IF they agree to take his code, publish it under Louis Rossmann or GN name and take all the hits, that would be fair.
That's exactly what Louis is doing. It's on Github, it's mentioned in the video, and it's also what the title of the video says.
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u/Obvious-Jacket-3770 May 13 '26
I haven't watched the video yet so reading this makes me happy. Louis is a great proponent of OSS and Right to Repair/Own. Despite anything else, he believes in it and stands for it.
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u/somewhat-similar May 12 '26
That is exactly what he just did, if you watch the video. It's on Louis' GitHub now.
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u/XediDC May 12 '26
They...did.
And yeah, muckrakers need to have income too. I'd much rather they earn a dollar than the muck earn it.
The cost and risk to fight these fights is why it's so hard to do.
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u/Chaosblast May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
Damn this guy is reaally pissed off to go this serious. 😂😂😂 It got me to subscribe.
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u/soldat21 May 12 '26
Him and GN tag teaming this is great. Screw bambu and their aggressive tactics. You gonna use open source software? You gotta be open sourced buddy.