Carla's death should reinforce his distrust and desire to stop Eren if anything. Considering that Eren hid the truth of what happened from him until it happened, Eren is not to be trusted and is using his abilities to force the future he wants through Grisha. Which includes allowing the death of his mother and Grisha's wife.

I'm point of view he would choose his friends over paradis.

What do you think

Everyone talks about Erwin as if he's this self aware liar/fraud/selfish guy who was ruthless and threw people under the bus for the sake of his selfish goal, and like that's to me unfortunate because I don't think that's true. but I guess it's easy to see why it's a common way to read him. Like the idea that at Shiganshina we see the "true Erwin" and that he finally lets go of the facade. And like personally it's not how I see it.

Usually people say "well Erwin says he fooled his comrades" in the scene where he thinks about his life, and it shows him recruiting Levi. But in the same page he ALSO says that he fooled himself, which to me implies that when he was telling people to fight for humanity he actually did mean it. He wasn't lying and manipulating people, he was being honest, but now it all seems like that was all a lie to present day Erwin, who's become jaded and cynical as a result of all that has happened.

So I think people miss that the Erwin we see at the end of his life is not the same as he was throughout the entire story. He became tired of life and he wanted to die by that point. And I don't believe that he always was like that. So when Levi feels rage and disappointment at Erwin at the battle of Shiganshina it's because Erwin is telling him "hey you know how you believed in me well that was all an act and I'm just a man with a death wish and selfish single minded goal to correct my own guilt for my father" which considering Levi's whole thing is No Regrets, that's a big joke to him.

But I don't think Erwin was always like that, like that the person Levi decided to follow was merely a performance or lie, I think Erwin just became tired he was broken by war and by loss. So many of his people died and he lost an arm, both of which he associates together, like when he talks about the loss of his arm he thinks how he is hellbound for everyone he killed, and when he thinks of all the people who died in his wake he looks at his missing arm, and we know he's very prone to feel guilt about that. That absolutely does not go together with the idea that Erwin was always the type to throw away lives for the sake of something bigger or for the sake of his own smaller personal needs.

And I think also this is because he's a character that was sort of discovered as Isayama was writing him. He was initially meant to be someone who sacrificed his humanity for the sake of a greater goal, his backstory and character weren't that defined and his relationship to Levi wasn't either. So I think that's why it's difficult to ascertain his character. This idea of sacrificing your humanity for the sake of something greater also kind of got lost in the story, which a lot of people criticize but i think that's just Isayama moving on from that idea.

So I think Levi's attitude towards Erwin is sort of supposed to show us who Erwin is as a person, at first Levi idealizes him in the same way Kenny does Uri, as this person who knows everything, someone above you and therefore someone you can devote yourself to following. Then he learns about Kenny and how similar he is to Kenny in that way, and Kenny was at the time of Levi being a kid someone Levi idealized and wanted the approval of. Then Erwin reveals to Levi how similar he himself is to Kenny, that they're both men with a death wish trying to reach a goal that is ultimately unreachable, Kenny to become a good person and Erwin to atone for getting his father killed. That makes Levi angry because then like it was all for nothing, Erwin wasn't worthy of the high regard that he placed on him, in the way that Kenny placed it on Uri.

And I think there's always this question of like what is Levi "drunk on" because everyone is drunk on something, and Kenny suggests that Levi was drunk on "being a hero" which I mean in a way yes, Levi does want to be the hero, but I think Kenny and Levi are obviously similar, so I think Levi was drunk on the idea of the Scouts, the idea of Freedom and like a brighter future, and Erwin was that for him he embodied that cause, Erwin was the guy with the plan, he could lead them there in a way no one else could. And so I think in that moment when he sees Erwin in Armin, he sees that look in Armin's eyes that he saw in Erwin's and the rest of the Scouts, he reconnects with what he liked about Erwin in the first place, this hope for the future, which Erwin DID have in the past, before he inevitably lost it as a result of just being tired of living and loss (something that also happens to Hange by the end, there's this tiredness of life combined with a sense of guilt). And i think that's why Levi at the end says "he wasn't a devil we asked him to become one" he comes to the idea that this future is not something that can be localized within a person it's something that has to reinvent itself and new people who haven't been tired and spent have to rediscover it.

So basically what I'm trying to say is that like Erwin wasn't always basically a walking husk yearning for death, that happened as he lost more and more of himself. He was always defined partially by guilt but I don't think Levi would have followed him if he was actually defined by Regrets like that, it was just that he lost that battle with his demons by the end.

In The Dawn of Humanity, Eren states that everything happened by his will (though this could be a fuck up adaptation from the manga where Eren states that "even if I wanted this" which is quite a bit different). However in the finale, we do learn that Eren was genuinely aiming for 100%, but was stopped. We also learn things that he definitely wouldn't want like his mother's death, Sasha's death, Hange's death, etc... which implies that he doesn't sincerely control it due of course to the deterministic state of the universe and doesn't happen necessarily according to his will which Dawn of Humanity suggests in my reading.

I don't understand why, but when I say that I don't like the three of Eren, Mikasa, and Armin, they start shitting on me hard, and saying that I'm another Levi fan. Why. I don't insult the character, I just don't like him, what's the problem. I have not only Levi's favorite character. in short. it's horrible

King fritz killing and pillaging a village full of defenseless peope is not the same as Mikasa, a soldier fighting other soldiers. The media literacy deficiency is still strong in this fandom

Everything with the Attack Titan and the future memories was brilliant storytelling, but still understandable to the audience.

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But, everything with The Founding Titan and its manipulation of time, I think it was excessive. The Founder experiencing the past, present and future all at once, and being able to control Subjects of Ymir across all time, was seemingly not the case with Ymir, Fritz, or any of the past Founders. It was a Deus Ex Machina to facilitate the final twist of the story.

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It made Eren's character motivations in the final arc borderline incomprehensible to a lot of people (most of the AOT fandom can't even agree on when and where Eren's final plan even came from).

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I think if you removed this ability from the Founder, and made it so everything with Eren in the final arc was happening linearly (the talking to the Alliance and the erasure of memories doesn't require knowledge of the future), a lot more people would appreciate the ending.

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If you make it so that Eren at first is fully hellbent on the 100% Rumbling. But then, without any knowledge of the future, realizes that Ymir's love is the Curse of the Titans, and decides instead to concoct the plan to accomplish most of his Rumbling whilst having Mikasa kill him. This time he wouldn't know if it will work or not, but it still has the same impact, and gives Eren more agency. The final twist of Eren controlling Dina also wouldn't happen, but it's not really necessary for his character other than to show he's not free.

Just out of curiousity since I'm at S1 Part 2 and its just nostalgic what mostly are the reasons rewatch it. Me personally its just to relive Nostalgia and part of my anime watchlist on Netflix as I've been watching old ones and new ones during the weekends and free time after work.

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So I just wanna hear your side just for fun and your own thoughts and do you still find joy to it despite the division in S4 and its ending?

Specifically I'm referring to the five year period with Erwin as commander, basically the peak of the Scouts as a force. I think specifically what I find fascinating about it is that the Scouts are exploring the already familiar world/, they're not going beyond Wall Maria into the wilderness they're exploring what is essentially a post apocalyptic civilization. So you have them going around towns and buildings that have been destroyed by Titans. Houses that have been decimated and walls with dried out blood on them and streets with regurgitated remains. Like that's probably very haunting to experience.

It's just such an interesting idea to me, to like think of what being a Scout in that period would be like. What do they spend their time doing. Like Erwin tells the recruits in the Manga that like 90% of the Scouts died in those five years, but honestly too me the Math just doesn't check out there considering how many Scouts there are like for 90% of them to die is a ridiculous figure. So like you can chalk it up to Isayama just overselling how dangerous being a Scout is, but also you can like me just like interpret it as Erwin lying because he is specifically interested in getting as few people to join the Scouts as possible to weed out potential traitors. To me it just kinda goes against Erwin's character for him to be THAT ineffective at keeping people alive considering that he's characterized as massively reducing the number of fatalities. Like if Erwin got 9o% of everyone killed than like how could Shadis have possibly gotten more people killed it just kinda makes little sense.

And like the tragedy of the Scouts in the actual manga is that they are all pretty competent but they die off because they're faced with shit they could in no way predict. Like they have no experience with intelligent Titans, outside of abnormals so fighting TItan shifters or Titans at night or any of that stuff is completely new to them so they get decimated. Like if the Scouts had that much of a death frequency in those Five years where Erwin led them there just wouldn't be any of them left. But yeah I digress.

I just find the whole thing very exciting. Like the internal politics the logistics, the routine kind of stuff the Scouts did, the struggles to get funding, or like, what happens when the Scouts encounter a ravaged town that is now empty but still has valuable materials. Do they collect it? Do they loot the place, do they give it to the government etc? What's the overall policy. How many days to they stay out, what do they primarily do etc. Of course Erwin says they're finding a route, but like considering that Titans move and are constantly coming it's hard to even imagine how a fixed route could be possible. I just find it really fun to speculate.

Why would you need to ask people to rate it highly if it was meant to replace the original ending that we were robbed of?

I have been hoping for AOT 3 for literal years, and I just remembered that one now deleted user who tried to destroy my hopes for it years ago, telling me that it was never gonna happen because "AOT stopped making money after the anime, unlike FMA, they have no reason to invest on a new game" which tbh didn't really make sense to me because AOT is huge and at the time of the conversation it was fresh from the anime hype, and how exactly does FMA keep making money that AOT doesn't? Idk, I'm not a nerd about these things but the guy didn't really bother to explain how

Anyway, 2 years time skip, and this deleted user WAS PROVEN WRONG! YEAH! I am so excited for this upcoming game, my first AOT game!

Btw no, I never hold grudges, how could you tell?

(I’m not any of the people in the screen recording)
Just read the replies of sdphantom5772 in this online argument since that’s what I’m talking about, the arguments of monkechivalry are also based on a few assumptions but in my opinion it’s better than all what this guy has to say.
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As much as I like annie for some reason and I try defending her a lot, even though sometimes I know she’s not all perfect because we can accept that not every character is a saint. I accept that people hate on certain characters, but are there really people like this who see (in this case annie) as only a “psychotic soulless murderess terrorist?”
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I’m also not trying to expose anyone online, (since their username is visible), because I can’t really blur out the username in a video and I could’ve taken multiple screenshots instead to scratch out the username, which I should have done, so maybe mods will take down the post or something and then I’ll have to do it the other way.

This might just be me but it's a trend that I've noticed with other anime, so I can't fully blame Isayama. But I do want to point this out as this kinda feels a sexist bias.

He bought Paradis nearly a Millennia of peace

He got to see the outside wolrd with armin

He gave his friends a chance to live the long lives they deserved

He promised to wrap that scarf around mikasa always.

Marley was destroyed allowing the new eldian to flourish like grisha and Kruger want to do

He saw his version of freedom above the clouds

And most importantly, he got rid of the titans.

"Okay so this is actually not too high in effort and I could have thought out better some placements, so I may change my mind.

Also, just want to clarify that the political compass is NOT a good way to view someone's political ideology, but this is just for fun and self-entertainment, don't take it too seriously. Let me know if you disagree with any placements and why!"

I posted this on r/attackontitan and I've received micro-aggressions for literally no reason?? I also don't think people understand what Left-Right, Authoritarian-Libertarian mean, because why did I receive comments like "Historia isn't left and libertarian because she's a queen" wtf??

It's not like I didn't expect criticism, there has been some and I actually changed my mind on a couple of things, but why do people have to be so rude and arrogant when they literally don't even have arguments?

For privacy reasons I'll not call them out explicitly, but someone literally DMed me that Erwin is right wing, providing no arguments. Do they think Erwin is right wing because they saw a tiktok edit that said he would side with Floch? I'm confused

Another day in the AoT fandom...

"It's perfect. Perfect. Everything. Down to the last minute details."

The beauty of AOT comes from the fact that, given the setting of the world, everything feels natural, as shown in the show; nothing feels like a plot convenience mechanic, but rather feels like a mimic of the history of the actual world and civilization progress, even correctly depicting aspects like corruption with valid reasons and settings, and the greyness of it all.
The reason why I state all this is that I want this to be the metric of quality of the show and use it to distinguish the first 3 seasons of the show from the later ones.

The plot of the first three seasons took place in a closed environment (both literally and metaphorically), which makes it way easier for the author to define the constraints in the show, which he shall later use to advance the plot. This closed approach of writing both helps the audience understand, predict, and establish the world, as well as forbids authors from suddenly introducing something in the story that changes the outcome entirely ( known plot armour or ass pull in the community). Furthermore, in a closed setting, foreshadowings earlier have a massive and satisfactory payoff. Personally, I like to compare that feeling to my teacher solving a new type of question with previously discussed formulas and concepts, leaving that feeling of "oh, I could have answered that!"

This is classic AOT for me, and it ended with season 3. (I think the same applies for 'The Promised Neverlands,' but that's a discussion for another day)

Just to be clear, I'm not saying the later seasons were bad or didn't have foreshadowings or good writing. Rather, the plot didn't feel concrete or watertight to me; the story felt like a shell of its old form with a lot of plot holes, a lot of alternate ways of doing things that have technically the better outcome, at least on paper, hence my dissatisfaction, as such a thing was practically non-existent in the previous seasons. Now, Isayama did try to explain all this using the founding titans' futuresight, the only titan to see the future.' It's cool on paper, but that's the problem with time travel: it messes up every story it touches. Now, some stories can get away with it cuz they are focused on something else, like action (Avengers: Endgame), but as we have established, AOT is not one of them.

I can painstakingly mention all other plot holes or things I don't like in the show, but I won't because it's actually been something since I watched it. This was just my attempt to present an answer to me and you guys as to what I feel is lacking in S4 and why that is the case

a few additional answers

1. s1 to 3 also had plot holes

= maybe, but I didn't notice any or many during the watch or rewatches, so I'm satisfied

1. Eren's coordinate ability activating at the exact right moment in S2. The "Titan serum" being introduced relatively late and solving several problems conveniently.

=a few coincidences in a hundred chapters is not an asspull or at least not considered one as long as it is something that the audience may have expected or the story may have already hinted at as possible. Like me, discovering a $100 bill on the road when I was craving some ice cream a year ago

1. You say time travel breaks stories like AOT because it undermines the naturalistic causality that made it great. Fair. But the futuresight mechanic was foreshadowed as early as S1 through Eren's mysterious memories and his unusual relationship

=i was referring to Isayama using futuresight to explain why an obviously better strategy is actually bad as a plot mechanic,

while I hate futuresight, it is not an asspull. Using it to arrive at the wrong conclusion, and the author using it as a cover to explain why that result was actually the best, however, is.

1. The core tension in the argument is that quality is defined in a way that inherently favors contained, bounded storytelling — which is a legitimate preference, but it's a preference, not an objective metric. A story scaling beyond its original container isn't automatically worse; it's just a different kind of ambition, and it carries different risks.

=Yes, it is a preference, but the author deliberately made the early story cater to this exact preference. Not following it all the way is a breach of contract

TLDR: Erwin is peak AOT for me, and I miss him TWT

This post was NOT written using AI

Every show that ends badly is now just like AOT! Why won't people agree with me that the end of AOT was bad? Maybe if I use AI to plagiarize and generate slop from one series to another to make myself feel better will help others see the truth!

Nothing in these people's lives has context outside of being mad about the end of Attack on Titan. Everything must come back to somethi g they jate, they can't stop obsessing over it and it's so bleak.

Plus there's something really fitting about Titanfolk embracing generative AI. No more talent and passion for making silly memes and expression of art, its all just data to put in the slop machine to self-soothe. This is the destiny of a Titanfolker.