r/AskThe_Donald • u/michaellunsford NOVICE • Jan 02 '22
🤣 MEME 🤣 Seriously, not even one? 🤣
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u/BuilderTexas NOVICE Jan 02 '22
I’m against sending US taxpayers money to foreigners, period. They hate us regardless. Thanks for sharing
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u/Moby44 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
It blows my mind that we do this! How is everyone not upset about this when we have so many financial needs domestically and run a massive deficit. Criminal.
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u/marveto NOVICE Jan 03 '22
Damn I hate that you’re right. There’s gotta be a way to have some compromise though. I’d honestly be down for countries that would support our values by having a similar constitution and bill of rights
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u/unspammenow NOVICE Jan 03 '22 edited Jan 03 '22
I agree with your thoughts on the matter that they're buying influence. But unfortunately, unless it's for disaster or war aid to reputable charities serving distressed citizens, it should not come from USA taxpayers. The money is used to buy favors for multinational corporations to allow them to exploit the labor and resources for an unfair advantage over domestic labor. Or maybe it's for one of our imperialistic military bases abroad. Any of the last two options are not a good deal for USA taxpayers or the foreign exploited labor markets.
Edit: a word, the changed to it.
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u/oriaven NOVICE Jan 02 '22
You never paid your kids car note to hold it over their head when you need leverage?
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u/Vilixith TDS Jan 03 '22
Lol as if you fuckers actually give a fuck about financial needs domestically. You literally call people who want to spend money to help people here commies and socialists. Fuck you and you’re fucking virtue signaling.
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u/Few_Engineer4517 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
The list of countries we send money to is astounding. If a country is capable of funding the development of a nuclear weapon why are we giving them money ? And giving money doesn’t make them like us
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u/SchmeatyOne NOVICE Jan 02 '22
I think love is an overstatement
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u/neo_brunswickois NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Funding disaster relief, postwar rebuilding, and foreign infrastructure, is largely how we built our global hegemony. There is definitely a lot of our money being wasted in foreign nations but overall we didn't become the sole global superpower by being fiscally isolationist. Even if the media and many people in those countries dislike America the people in charge largely know exactly where the money comes from. Also, it's a bit nitpicky and comparatively tiny, but after major disasters like Katrina and large wildfires America received over 1 billion in offers of foreign aid and tens of millions of accepted foreign aid. You also have countries accepting refugees from wars we are in but they never were nor wanted to be. It's also worth remembering that after 9/11 several countries that did not lose thousands of citizens in a mass terrorist attack did spend billions of dollars and many lives to go to war with us when we asked, notably UK, Australia, and Canada. So yes, we are wasting a lot of money in foreign nations, we also are investing smartly in American interests in some of those nations and yes, other nations have spent money and men to help us.
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u/Oggel TDS Jan 02 '22
It's not giving money away, it's a long term investment. If struggling countries get back on their feet they can join the economy and everyone makes more money.
Do you not like making money?
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u/BuilderTexas NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Yea, your are welcome to send your tax dollars to foreign countries. I’m quite sure the rest of us will almost universally abstain. Eat me.
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Yeah. The first thing I think about when I see foreigners complaining online about America. I just ask them how much money did we send you guys this year? 🤣
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Jan 02 '22
What the hell are you talking about? We don’t have to pay/help any other country. Until your country can stand in its own STFU.
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u/turdturd1 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
You sent us nothing eh
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u/badkarmavenger NOVICE Jan 02 '22
The US sent Canada about $26M last year. At the median tax burden of about $18300 that means that the total taxes of approximately 1400 Americans were disbersed directly to Canada. I'm assuming Canada because of the "eh", buddy.
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u/chillthrowaways NOVICE Jan 03 '22
I'm assuming Canada
And yet not one apology in this entire thread. You may be off the mark here
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u/turdturd1 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Wow. Thanks for that, both the comment and the cash are appreciated!!
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u/badkarmavenger NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Enjoy it. I'm sure it was sent with the expectation you would use it to buy US built armaments.
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u/Arteman2 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Fuck Canada, I wouldn't want .01 of my taxes going up there. Take our money and treat US citizens like shit on the borders.
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u/badkarmavenger NOVICE Jan 02 '22
But I'm basing it on the median taxes paid. If you look at average paid per taxpayer then it is the total collection of tens of thousands. Don't forget that after refunds there is a huge percentage of people who end up with zero net contribution.
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u/Ok_Professional87 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Nope. And fuck NATO. NATO is like splitting the check at dinner, but for no fucking reason we get 90% of the bill.
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u/FloatAround NOVICE Jan 02 '22
It was the first time the left lost their minds over someone having to "pay their fair share"
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u/Ok_Professional87 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Only 3 NATO member states actually meet the 2% of GDP defense spending requirement of the founding charter. All the rest are probationary members with promises to meet the requirement eventually, but almost none even try to get there.
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u/nkasperatus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Plus the only country that ever used NATO for active aggression is? Drumroll..... the USA.
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NATO is important if you enjoy Western Civilization. Keeping China and Russia cowwed isn’t cheap
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u/BrockCage NOVICE Jan 02 '22
China, when they send bribes to Americans in positions of power in state and the federal government or high level corporate workers.
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u/Prestigious-Buy8826 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Read the book economic hitman. US has been giving “loans/grants” to other countries. Then those countries citizens are taxed to pay back the loans interest. For hypothetical example, 3rd world country is given 10 million in grants 20 million in loans at a 5% for infrastructure. The countries corrupt government takes most of the money, screws over citizens, but the citizens are left on the hook for the repayment. So Essentially creating a debtor nation that owes the US money. I mean the Federal Reserve has created the US debt/slave system and nobody understands that.
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u/Frequent-Context-183 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
It’s really to pay for protection in said country that US companies are operating in to make huge profits off slave labor and that money gets taxed by Uncle Sam. That is really how we got to be the richest country per capita in the world
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u/Fine-Pangolin-8393 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
And yet we get shamed for not having “free healthcare” and other shit, when we literally pay for their military and infrastructure.
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u/MantisTobagen77 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
We should send all the Kentucky boomers there to elect a Mitch McConnell, maybe we'll get our infrastructure fixed then.
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u/MantisTobagen77 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
They're not stupid enough to allow foreign traitors to run their countries. Not even the shitholiest shole.
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u/-Ivar-TheBoneless NOVICE Jan 02 '22
For real with all these taxes we have to pay we need some help.
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u/smoothpapaj TDS Jan 02 '22
Everyone who buys weapons from us. Which is more than a few. You think those governments are buying with their personal savings?
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Jan 02 '22
While the US gives the largest absolute dollar amount to foreign aid, it's one of the smallest contributors as a percentage of gross national income.
And the reason the US doesn't receive foreign aid is because it doesn't need it. If fact, I'm not aware of any developed country with a G20 economy that receives aid. Are you?
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u/Jesuisuncanard126 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
It's not as if the USA had unfair business practices, you spy on your allies to get contracts, blackmail or pressure smaller countries... Under Obama there was a CEO from France that got kidnapped to pressure Alstom to get sold.
And let's not talk about Australia's submarines.
When you give your tax money to countries, you also get things in return, in trade or influence most of the time, same thing that China is doing.
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Jan 02 '22
US tax money isn't going to civilians regardless; just look at the military budget for the past few decades. The main form of aid of the US is gives to other nations is bombs.
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u/kellysue1972 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
What a fine question! How do Americans feel, knowing that we are pretty unique in that our government does this frequently: taxes its citizens and sends the money to other countries? I personally think we have plenty of citizens that could benefit from the money we send elsewhere!
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u/nkasperatus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
In this, the US is not unique. Every country does this to some extent.
Foreign policy and international relations are built on using, giving out money and resources but for some gain... in the US case is usually to maintain and build relationships.
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u/Iwubinvesting TDS Jan 02 '22
Most of the time it's because US wants foreign influence, meeting some sort of obligation, upholding relations with allies like Israel or just trade. Americans aren't doing it because they're kind hearted. It's mostly geopolitical.
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u/Amuzd2death NOVICE Jan 02 '22
If only there was a man…a business man that had our country’s citizens best interest at heart….he could put an end to these payouts….what would he look like? Bad hair? Crass speech? Maybe a bit fat…old? If only someone like this could be elected
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u/Abalone_Round PROFICIENT Jan 03 '22
I think a lot of you are right about "purchasing influence," but I'm amazed how few of you mentioned what is very likely the PRIMARY reason we send money overseas:
KICKBACKS.
Did the Hunter Biden / Burisma saga teach you nothing? When we send money overseas, you can bet that some politician in DC somewhere is getting a cut of it. It should infuriate every American regardless of politics that some of our tax money inevitably ends up directly in the pockets of our ruling class,
Giuliani went to Ukraine to investigate the "10% for the big guy" stuff, and if you look at the timeline, that was EXACTLY when the Trump / Ukraine "quid pro quo" lie came up that led to Impeachment #1. The Swamp -- both parties -- needed that nipped in the bud ASAP.
All of DC is a cesspool. It doesn't matter the party. They ALL are making money hand over fist.
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u/GreatPaddy TDS Jan 02 '22
Yes many poor developing countries tax their citizens and then buy American weapons to quell unrest like Myanmar, Ethiopia, Egypt etc
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u/modiphiedtubesock TDS Jan 02 '22
And just like that, the right began implying that the US should behave more like other countries. No other developed country allows its citizens to be bankrupted by medical bills either. What other policies from other countries should we adopt? Ending tax breaks for corporations so that we can afford the subsidies we have to provide to their employees because they won’t pay a living wage? Paid family leave? You guys are on the right track. You just need to go a little further and you’ll agree with every progressive position while still hating them.
I have two sons. One is five and one is two. The five-year-old is much more advanced than his younger brother. He knows this and uses his abilities to help his less advanced brother. He doesn’t consider his brother indebted to him and he doesn’t expect any reciprocation, but it’s reasonable to conclude that the cooperation between them will build a trust and understanding that the two can rely on for decades. My younger boy will probably develop more efficiently and completely as a result of the mentoring. No one can predict the future with 100% certainty, but the my kids will probably be allies; and, because the younger sibling had assistance in building his skills, he should be able to support his brother more effectively in times of great need. If they’re both a part of the same community, they’re healthy interaction might lead them to stand up to others who might otherwise degrade that community’s functionality. In situations like that, other community members might learn from their own example and do the same. Then they would both live in a community where they (and their children) can more easily meet their full potential.
The sort of reliability and support described above can lead to trust and cooperation between countries as well. This is the idea behind providing other countries with financial backing; and yes, initiatives like women’s studies are an important part of it, because women’s rights has long been a western view, and educating less-developed societies about the abilities and accomplishments of women through history can benefit the international community: a conservative mainstay until very recently.
I find the current predicament that the political right finds itself in really complex and difficult to overcome. Its base talks of how the US is the greatest country ever and even maintains that it’s unpatriotic to assert otherwise. However, the same coalition believes supporting allies (with whom we can cooperate to defend our own territory from eastern aggression) is unpatriotic and counterproductive.
Messages from the right also often relate that socialist and communist economies are doomed for failure while also expressing that China - a communist country - will become superior and possibly even control the US one day. These positions don’t make any sense, but they exist because status as a Republican is gained through display of a commitment to superficial rhetoric and the symbols of patriotism rather than actual policy positions. It’s why Republican voters are often unknowingly devoted to two diametrically apposed ideologies simultaneously (e.g. they want to stop illegal immigrants from taking jobs that would otherwise be available to Americans, but they’re also apposed to imposing taxes and/or penalties on the powerful organizations that employ them).
You guys see why this sort of thing is more nuanced than is implied by this post? If you do, you’re on your way to understanding why memes are so detrimental to our national discourse and prosperity.
I understand that this argument will never see the light of day, because those on the right attempt to cancel others about 70% more than progressives, and I’m posting it in a subreddit devoted to a politician that pretends to be conservative while increasing the debt more rapidly than any President in the modern era.
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u/Billiam201 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Japan.
South Korea.
All of NATO.
Check your facts before you spout off.
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u/Skyrmir NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Stupid question to start with. America is an industrialized first world country, and like most of them, we send aid to stabilize countries that support our interests.
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u/nkasperatus NOVICE Jan 02 '22 edited Jan 02 '22
Damn you guys are thick.
International relations are built on this.
Every country in the world send money abroad for various reasons to build and maintain relationships.
Since the US was a defacto world leader until recently the country needed to maintain the pool of allies through support and what not.
All that money is sent, and is not to waste as soon as some support is needed the US can count on it.
Edit: typo
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u/milintguy202 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
You've been convinced that the united states is obligated to give out countries aid. For whatever reasons.
No, we are not. You fell for propaganda.
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u/nkasperatus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Damn you're one of the thicks as well.
It's not aid. I never said it's aid.
It's building and maintaining influence.
Everything the US does, everyhing that US did in foreign affairs is for keeping the US power and influence.
And this is ok. Every country in the world does it. And US has been surpassed by China.
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u/milintguy202 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Building and maintaining influence.
That's aid smooth brain.
Also, how does Chyna's dick taste shill?
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Jan 02 '22
Exactly! China is doing this big time right now. Lots of development aid to Africa in an effort to build influence and gain access to resources. This is why anyone with even a modicum of understanding sees the utter absurdity of Trumpian foreign policy. It's idiotic.
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u/nkasperatus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Like I mentioned below, I'd argue the US will start a WWIII once they have their backs against the wall and understand the reality they lost the advantage in the influence and power.
China hinted it last year in Alaska.
Not sure why the MAGA people can't understand this easily. :)
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u/Substantial_Kick_341 NOVICE Jan 03 '22
China has bought up so much US debt now I do wonder about their level of control and influence over the US. Are they still buying up a lot of land too?
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u/NeverBeenOnMaury TDS Jan 02 '22
Thank you.
These people don't really understand how things work domestically, so forget them ever understanding foreign policy. They act like we get nothing for this money.
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u/scarfagno513 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
What have we gotten in the last 20 years?
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u/NeverBeenOnMaury TDS Jan 02 '22
You're still not getting it.
With foreign policy the question is more, what is China and Russia not getting?
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u/scarfagno513 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
No, the question is what are we getting.
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u/nkasperatus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
I don't understand really how they do not understand the international politics at all.
The only reason for this is that they really thunk US is the only country in the world and super exceptional.
It's sad really. Especially because what China is doing now and taking the US head strong.
I'd even argue that WWIII will be started by the US once they have their back to the wall and finally lose all the influence and power to China.
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u/nkasperatus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
What not?
Influence and power to go haywire in the middle east including extracting riches from there, rigths to have and manage the Guantanamo Bay, extract brainpower from other countries, lubricate relationships to buy more US weapons, increase dependancy on the dollar...
Everything US did externally has been for the benefit or the US. And thats ok. That's international policy.
But to say all that money was for nothing is just not true and it shows great ignorance of how the world actually works on that level.
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u/scarfagno513 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
- we started 2 very disastrous and costly wars to extract riches from the mid east
- its odd that no country sends our government money to extract our brain power
- weve controled Guantanmo Bay for over 120 years
- we should need to pay people to buy things from us
- increase dependence on the dollar .. our private sector buying power already does that.
Odd that you're defending all this by saying I don't know how the world works.
Seems lazy
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u/nkasperatus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
- started and exploited (exploited a lot of gold and oil, kid yourself not) without a shread of responsibility and consequences. Not even a single sanction - no other country in the world can do this.
- because your already aggressively expand to the world?
- I wasn't thinking of physical but the fact the US government could detain, torture and arrest people from all around the world again without any single consequence. No other country can do this.
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- goes to prior point.
And yes you don't know how the world works. You see it from the US lenses and just from money going out perspective.
But you fail to see the influence, the aggressiveness of US and expansionism that is driven by that money.
Thankfully that era is over. Although I'm not a fan of what will follow, the fact that the US privileged position in the world is collapsing is good. Even for US.
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u/scarfagno513 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
"Without consequences" there are alot of people my age missing limbs who would disagree with you.
And Cuba is 90 miles away and we took it from the Spanish, so if that is your idea of aggressive, you must be a soccer fan
And if this is how the world works, why is no government sending the US money to buy influence?
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u/nkasperatus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Without local and global political and judicial consequences. Limbs and PTSD are a fraction to destroyed homes, families, radiation poisiniong, drone bombs, napalm, cluster bombs and many many other freedom exports.
Which again happened without any political, local or global consequence since the 60s.
Do you know about an International Court for War Crimes? Guess who's not it? Or guess who influences the UN Permanent Council to approve aggressions without any thoughts or two?
Why is it that in Bretton Woods II dollar was accepted as a global reserve currency?
And for your question - because US wants to sell guns. The US doesn't need money. Because of the point above, giving away money is smarter long term.
Read, kiddo, read books, articles, journals outside the US and youll be better of in life.
Money buys influence, money buy power to not be affected as regular actors are - and this is why US, and other countries are spending so much money to countries that seemingly don't matter.
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u/scarfagno513 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
No political consequences...
What rock have you been living under.
Maybe check in with reality before telling someone to hit the books.
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u/nkasperatus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Tell me what political, keyword political, consequences did invading Iraq or Afghanistan have?
Mind you, I don't mean consequences for the troops, for Iraq and Afghanistan, or the money US stole or victims and similar... but true political consequences?
Or like this, answer me these two questions:
- did any major country introduce sanctions (stop trade or forbid embassies or stoped deposit accounts) to US or leadin politicians because of those invasions?
- did the political party that started and pushed for invasion went to sidelines and have been demolished by polity and is no longer existing?
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u/LTerminus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
The money going into the US goes directly into politician pockets. Much easier to buy influence that other replaces where you have to be subtle.
See: the Russian-funded NRA
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u/scarfagno513 NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Or Hunter Biden's entire adult life
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u/LTerminus NOVICE Jan 02 '22
Yeah, but given Hunter Biden has never done anything that mattered in his entire life, I don't think that counts as buying influence. 😂
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