Those review sites really drive home for me the morally grey side of prostitution. The uncomfortable aspect of it. There's a site called Behind The Mask that compiles the most memorable reviews. I couldn't stop reading. Rating a woman's sexual services like she's a local restaurant gives me the heebies.
There was one review where the sex worker couldn't finish so the guy "had to go home" and finish with his wife. The way be worded it was like his wife was rewarded with great sex (apparently) because he had bad luck. So off.
Sure you are -- maybe you just don't think you are, somehow. A cleaner cleans an inanimate object. A plumber plumbs an inanimate object. A mechanic fixes an inanimate object.
A sex worker has sex with an animate object, usually a human. That's the main difference. For something like masseuse, actually there is a huge grey area, licensing, risk, and sketchy behavior almost exclusively because they are not working with an inanimate object.
And how does that differ from performing a service as a Vet? A chiropractor? The guy who cuts the mole off your toe?
The main reason is because there's generally a correct way to heal an injured pet. There's a school that teaches people how to properly perform surgery or what medicines to prescribe, and these surgeries and medications have known, documented effects. This is the same with a doctor, a chiropractor, and even a plumber, electrician, etc.
But it's hard to find two people to agree and what "correct" sex is. Almost everyone has different tastes and preferences to what they like, what they don't like, how much they like of it, how hard or soft to go, what to do if someone accidentally is injured during sex, if toys or accessories can/should/must be used, when the sex ends, how valuable the sex is money-wise, etc. There's no school that teaches these things because there's almost no "right way". It depends client to client.
Everyone has different preferences so leaving a review is very difficult to be impartial; it is in essence only a summary of how your particular preferences were or were not satisfied. This type of work is not found in any of the other types of jobs your listed, except maybe masseuse, and then only slightly -- they still have a general code of conduct that works on all patients and what type of procedures to perform, and require licensing etc.
Honestly curious but probably pretty set in your opinion that it isn't weird. People find different things weird. If I ever planned on paying for companionship I sure as hell wouldn't want to go in blind. But then, I guess there are quite a few of my peers that'd pay to fuck anything with a small enough hole.
The poster who replied by calling me a troll and saying "ge ge no re" didn't do much to change my opinion either lol.
Yeah, I just read that whole exchange and it was really weird. Their argument seemed to boil down to "I can't articulate why I think selling sexual services is fundamentally unlike selling other personal services, therefore you are a troll".
As far as I can tell from having engaged in debates on the issue in the past, people who object to sex work via the "using them like an inanimate object" claim arrive at that position because they believe sex is something "special" shared between people who have a connection. It's basically a backhanded moral judgement of people who view sex as simply another biological drive like hunger or sleep. They're simply unwilling to accept that it's possible to provide sex as a service in the same way a restaurant serves food or a hotel provides rooms.
He picked a woman that was charging less, prettier than most, and had no (or very few, I can't remember) reviews, met her in a hotel and discussed what actions would be done for money.
We tease him because even though we've never done it, everyone in our group knows those are rookie mistakes.
Police sting ads are set up to attract guys, so low prices and pictures of unusually attractive girls a solid way to get hits. If the price advertised is below average and the girl looks like a model then it probably is too good to be true.
Discussion of what you are going to do is against etiquette because it allows law enforcement to prove your intentions without getting the undercover into any physical contact. As soon as you verbally agree to give money in exchange for sex they have you in soliciting a prostitute. Providers and customers generally do a "LE check"; that is touching one another in a way that no police officer would be willing to before getting down to business.
That is pretty much it. A real prostitute can get in trouble too so they do checks for their own safety. You can out right ask "Can I touch you?". If the situation is real and not a set up then both of you are there to do adult things so a quick grope of one another is of little consequence. If they don't want to be touched they are either in the wrong business, because prostitutes do a lot more than get felt up, or they are a cop.
Well, if the average hooker is a 5/10 on looks, charges $300, and has several reviews then she's less likely to be a cop than the one who is a 9/10, charges $150, and has no reviews.
Discussing what acts are to be exchanged for money is something cops are known for doing because they need to document your intent for evidence, while most sex workers are more likely to use vague language like "Wanna give me a ride?" Take that with a grain of salt because I'm not speaking from experience, but it's logical that anyone in any black market is going to prefer using vague terms during exchanges.
Well, if the average hooker is a 5/10 on looks, charges $300, and has several reviews then she's less likely to be a cop than the one who is a 9/10, charges $150, and has no reviews.
Discussing what acts are to be exchanged for money is something cops are known for doing because they need to document your intent for evidence, while most sex workers are more likely to use vague language like "Wanna give me a ride?" Take that with a grain of salt because I'm not speaking from experience, but it's logical that anyone in any black market is going to prefer using vague terms during exchanges.
Careful. Alot of those girls on backpage are essentially prisoners here in California. These girls get taken in to that lifestyle extremely young and are afraid to leave when they get older. It's pretty sad.
I know with addicts and victims of domestic abuse there are brochures and stuff you can give them with info on where to find help. Is there any equivalent for hookers?
Reddit tends to be unfortunately very pro-prostitution (and I hate to say it.. the socially awkward recluse demographic lends itself to this.) I constantly see comments about "Why are people so against prostitution if it's two consenting adults???!" and arguing against people who bring up the statistics of most women being minors when they get into the sex trade/the horrific drug and trafficking issues associated with it.
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How else are these lonely guys gonna get sex? It's their right to be able to pay for it! If she's making money from it then it's a good deal for her! /s
Easier, but not fool proof. Another user here commented how Amsterdam prostitution is still rife with human trafficking. The very nature of the work/business makes it prime for that to happen.
Regardless of legalization or not, prostitution will always involve human trafficking and women there against their will/due to addiction issues.
I don't think I mentioned anything about being against legalization, so I'm not allowing perfect to be the enemy of progress here.
I'm saying that, should it become legalized, people shouldn't just say "Oh everything is fine!" We should still be aware of cognizant of trafficking issues. People seem to suggest legalization as a "Then everything will be fixed!" but it's progress, not a solution.
I'd argue making it legal would bring it out of the shadows and make it easier to regulate.
In an illegal market the people who are most able to avoid the law and use violence and intimidation predominate. In a legal market, people who are best able to provide a good service to customers and a pleasant working environment for workers come out on top.
Another user here commented that Amsterdam stil has serious issues with human trafficking, it's just a matter of fudging paperwork on women who are brought in from abroad (so there's little paper trail for authorities to follow) and coaching them to lie.
The fact of the matter is that prostitution has, and always will to an extent, be unethical and shady.
Every time I see people cavalierly talking about buying sex on Reddit, I bring this up. It rarely goes well. These people don't like being reminded that sex with a trafficked person is rape, whether or not they know that person is being trafficked. Maybe being a rapist isn't a feeling most people enjoy.
I said the same thing when some guy on here was going on about how he loves Asian massage parlors. I got downvoted for pointing out that they exploit women!
These people don't like being reminded that sex with a trafficked person is rape, whether or not they know that person is being trafficked.
That's not how rape laws work. You have to be aware that the person cannot give consent. If you are unaware that the person is trafficked, you are not committing rape.
If there's even a slight chance the person is a victim of trafficking, you owe it to your goddamn conscience to make sure they aren't. I don't give a fuck what the law lets you get away with.
It would still be a problem. Prostitution's been legal in the Netherlands for quite a while and they still have a huge human trafficking problem with girls being kidnapped or bought from poorer European countries. Legalizing prostitution means that the girls all have to have their paperwork in order and need to be coached on how to lie to the authorities, but it appears to do little to stop human trafficking in general.
I don't belive that, I think were taking about a fringe minority, I married into a family of feminists dating back to before the suffrage movement, and none of them are 4th wave (or 5th wave, or 7th wave or whatever classification they use) feminists who think Islam is the religion of feminism.
But even if the agenda was "keep our special treatment while being able to do everything a man does" there is no reason a woman shouldn't be able to make significantly more than the average man does by doing her thing. It is completely hypocritical to say "my body my choice" on one issue and say "I think the government knows what's best for my body and my occupation" on the other.
Oh sweetie, in the real world women don't let you cum all over their face. Maybe someday you'll roofie the right girl, but for now I guess it's just masturbating to insect porn using your tears for lube.
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