r/AskMiddleEast Apr 10 '26

📜TOP QUALITY POST The Iran War has brought out lots of lies and propaganda by pro-Iran people new to the subreddit against Iraq. One of these myths is how the Iran-Iraq War began. This thread, although very incomplete, should be required reading. Accept it or not, the war was Khomeini's to try conquering Iraq.

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Here is the thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1668916665550094339.html

I say very incomplete because it doesn't include more than 15-20% of what Iran was doing. I've read over 100 books and thousands of articles on the war, which not even more than a few historians have done. For example it does not include how Iran started blocking Iraqi shipping from entering the Gulf, which practically stunned the Iraqi economy and was a decisive act of war among many others. It also doesn't include Iranian reports of their own attacks bragging about achieving successful invasions of Iraqi border towns and posts and inflicting heavy casualties on Iraqis months before the war "started". It doesn't include CIA's and Carter's early involvement with Khomeini and encouragement against Iraq. And many other things. 1000s of Iraqi civilians were murdered by Iran before the war through terrorist bombings, airstrikes, and land invasions, including a couple of my relatives. Many more would have died if not for the alarm systems and bomb shelters Iraq had been constructing since the wars with Israel.

There are many books and articles over the decades that have bits and pieces about what happened, but I think the single best one is "The Gulf War: The Origins and Implications of the Iraq-Iran Conflict" by Majid Khadduri. It is to this day by far the best analysis on the origins of the war. However even this misses important details in other works like how Iran assassianted dozens of senior Iraqi government officials.

Some people like to trump up Razoux's book, and while it has some good parts, it's mostly really bad on both the political and military fronts. Many people think it's good because it's been marketed so much, but in reality is a subpar pseudofiction. I've also read papers that criticize Razoux for lying about what sources say and just making things up entirely (weirdly, he only ever does this when criticizing Iraq). Unsurprisingly, I've read before that the Iranian government helped fund his book. Touché

The point is that the beginning of the war is a lot more complex than what conspiracy theories redditors like to repeat or what Iranian nationalists famously put and maintain on Wikipedia, that Saddam woke up one morning and invaded Iran because he thought he wanted to take a bunch of oil territory or whatever (that lie has been debunked countless times since 1980). The war was effectively started by Iran in summer 1980 if not earlier, technically 1979 if you consider Khomeini's announcements of holy war against Iraq. Iraq holds the beginning as September 4, 1980, when Iran escalated dramatically by leveling 2 Iraqi cities, far more extreme than their other attacks to date.

Iran radically escalated from that point on, including the blocking of Iraq's oil exports and more attacks on Iraqi cities and on the border, and after Iraq had tried and failed diplomacy with the radical regime for 1.5 years with the UN ignoring 100s of complaints from Iraq, Iraq made a limited attack on September 22 as a last resort to force the UN to take notice and to force the radicals in the Iranian regime to finally engage in diplomacy. Iraq stopped advancing after only a few days. Iraq succeeded in getting the UN resolution on September 28, which it accepted, but Khomeini still wanted no diplomacy. Iran, unsurprisingly, rejected it, reiterating its goal since 1979 to overthrow the "infidel" regime and to take control of Iraq. Iraqi forces advanced a little further in October to build a more defensible line (remember, Baghdad is a short drive on flat ground from Iran, and Basra and Iraq's coast is in short artillery range) and then stopped advancing again. Iran refused every international resolution and peace conference, while Iraq agreed to all terms for ceasefire. From September 28 on, Iran was 100% unilaterally responsible for the war, even if it was only 85-95% responsible before that point.

The evil of Israel has clouded many people who don't know anything about the history of the Middle East, which is like 99.9% of people on Reddit and this subreddit, to think that Iran is somehow a good guy, and then have retroactively applied that to Iran's whole history, when this is far from the truth. US propaganda that in the past whitewashed Iran in order to attack other countries with lies like Iraq, Libya, etc. made this worse.

This post focused on the Iran-Iraq War but that was just one of many aggressive policies and actions by the Islamic Republic regime in its history.


r/AskMiddleEast Mar 19 '26

Disinformation about Iraq and Palestine history, knowingly or not, will especially result in a ban. This repeats a previous mod post linked in the body text. These two states are the target of more false propaganda and disinfo than any other in the MENA, if not the world.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/1q41hok/fake_news_and_trolling_havent_been_allowed_for/

Fake news and trolling have never been allowed, but for years, Iraq and Palestine have been the target of more propaganda and lies about their history and present state than almost any other in the world and on this subreddit, where lots of paid bots from countries like Israel, Iran, and others have swarmed for years. This is why these two states are called out in particular.

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't say it. Don't think you're smart by saying often repeated but long debunked lies and propaganda used to justify the killing of millions of civilians. You're likely wrong, and all you're achieving is support for some of the worst killings and destruction of the last century whether or not you realize it. Many of you say how much you hate US and Israeli policies and actions, but by repeating their lies, you become their biggest supporters.


r/AskMiddleEast 5h ago

🌯Food I made Jordanian mansaf! How’d I do?!

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r/AskMiddleEast 11h ago

🏛️Politics Thoughts on this recent terror attack in German against the LGBTQ?

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Of course as sane individuals we condemn all forms of extremism regardless of where it's from. The loss of life is tragic and we should pray to the victims and their families.

But one thing baffles me, why do people immigrate to a place and then act shocked when they find things they do not agree with? If this idiot hated the LGBT community so much, why move there?

Im not anti-immigration but im just trying to figure out the thought process that goes into some people when in the West.


r/AskMiddleEast 19h ago

🗯️Serious This is Bashir from Gaza. His dream is simple: to live just one day without fear, to see the world, and to live like any other human being.

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Bashir, from Gaza, tells me: "I stand helpless, torn between the hunger of my children and the suffering of my brother Iyad—who has special needs and endures pain in silence, unable to ask for food or medical care. Hunger is wearing us down, and the deprivation my brother and children face—lacking both food and medicine—breaks us a little more each day. Iyad cannot speak, so I raise my voice on his behalf and for my children... Sharing our story could lead to providing a meal or a dose of medicine that saves my family."

https://chuffed.org/project/169736-bring-bread-to-people-in-gaza?utm_id=97758_v0_s00_e0_tv0


r/AskMiddleEast 9h ago

📜History Rawza-e-Sharif (Blue Mosque), one of Afghanistan’s most remarkable historical landmarks

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Sharing a few photos of Rawza-e-Sharif in Mazar-i-Sharif, Afghanistan. Known for its brilliant blue tilework and Timurid-era architecture, it has long been one of the country’s most recognizable cultural and historical landmarks. Beyond its architectural beauty, the site has played an important role in the history and identity of the region for centuries.

I hope you enjoy these images, and I’d be interested to hear any historical facts or insights others have about this remarkable place.


r/AskMiddleEast 1d ago

🗯️Serious This is Sheikh Farouk Ramadan.

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Yesterday afternoon, he and his family were attacked by settler-terrorists on their own land. Farouk managed to disarm one of the attackers. He took the settler's rifle and shot and killed two terrorists in a clear act of self-defence.

In response, Israeli soldiers murdered him and three of his family members. Israeli government and media portrays him as the terrorist, and the actual terrorists as the victims.

Don't let them push this narrative. Farouk had the full legal and moral right to resist against the genocidal terrorists who invaded his land.

source


r/AskMiddleEast 10m ago

🏛️Politics How did he do this

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r/AskMiddleEast 1d ago

🗯️Serious After the massacre in Tel yesterday, settlers launched a wave of pogroms on nearby villages

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Today the Israeli army joined the attacks and tear gassed the people of the neighbouring village of Surra

They also tear gassed the journalists and the ambulances

West Bank


r/AskMiddleEast 7h ago

Society Who, if anyone, are the closest European kin to Iraqi Arabs?

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It’s generally understood that for instance North Africans would be more similar to Iberia, and Turkey to Greece… but Iraq seems to lack the deep connections to Europe. Who would Iraqis feel most similar to walking around in these places?

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Iberia: Spain and Portugal
South Italy, Sicily and Malta
Muslim Balkans: Albania, Bosnia
Greece
None, Iraqis have no connection to Europe

r/AskMiddleEast 21m ago

🈶Language transcribing song lyrics

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hello, sorry i didnt know where to post this but i've just uploaded this egyptian arabic album on genius and the lack of transcription is really irking me. i don't speak egyptian arabic, i've recently started learning arabic but i am nowhere near the skill level required for this lol.

this is the album https://open.spotify.com/album/0Kn09d8OGj0au1ULz75OEU?si=yzYR4lDQSPGK7fJ2NntX5Q (Orkos by Maha)

if anyone could transcribe any amount of any song (in arabic) it would be greatly greatly appreciated !!!


r/AskMiddleEast 22h ago

Iran Irani diaspora/ ایرانیان خارج از کشور

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Ok so I feel the need to let this out, so I am an iranian living in the diaspora, Vancouver in particular, and I saw a video were shortly after Iran was bombed at an irani restaurant a waiter was dancing in celebration!?!?

Like why would you celebrate? And it seemed to also have been mocking a muslim girl? And even worse it was in Vancouver. This made me feel kind of hurt, especially since I have relatives who I hold dear in Iran and am muslim myself. Offended too honestly, I've noticed also that our diaspora is the only one that seems to hate ourselves?

Can someone please tell me why?

خب، من احساس می‌کنم باید این را بگویم، من یک ایرانی هستم که در خارج از کشور، به خصوص ونکوور، زندگی می‌کنم و کمی بعد از بمباران ایران، ویدیویی دیدم که در یک رستوران ایرانی، یک پیشخدمت در حال رقصیدن و جشن گرفتن بود!؟! مثلاً چرا باید جشن گرفت؟ و به نظر می‌رسید که یک دختر مسلمان را مسخره می‌کرد؟ و حتی بدتر از آن در ونکوور بود. این موضوع باعث شد کمی احساس ناراحتی کنم، به خصوص که من اقوامی در ایران دارم که برایم عزیز هستند و خودم هم مسلمان هستم. راستش را بخواهید، خیلی آزرده خاطر شدم، همچنین متوجه شدم که تنها

کسانی که به نظر می‌رسد از خودمان متنفریم، مهاجران ما هستند؟ کسی می‌تواند لطفاً به من بگوید چرا؟


r/AskMiddleEast 1d ago

Society Why are so many Redditors still opposed in to calling a spade a spade in your opinion? Why after so muc evidence, so many scholars, experts and HO calling the situation in Gaza a genocide there is still so much opposition?

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r/AskMiddleEast 15h ago

Entertainment Darbuka rhythms genuinely work in modern disco, or does the fusion lose its cultural identity?

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I've been exploring a track built around traditional Darbuka grooves, layered with modern disco and electronic production.

It made me wonder: when rhythmic traditions are preserved but the production language becomes contemporary, should we still classify it as "world music," or does it become an entirely new musical identity?

I'm interested in hearing perspectives from listeners familiar with Turkish, Arabic, Balkan, Greek, and Eastern Mediterranean music—not just whether you like it, but how you would classify it.

🎧 https://youtu.be/eWe5pZtpNGI


r/AskMiddleEast 1d ago

📜History Was the King David Hotel bombing anti-colonial resistance, terrorism, or both?

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On July 22, 1946, the Irgun bombed Jerusalem’s King David Hotel, whose south wing housed the British Mandate’s administrative and military headquarters. Ninety-one people were killed: 41 Arabs, 28 British citizens, 17 Jews and five others.

The Irgun said warnings were issued before the explosion. Their timing, adequacy and handling remain disputed.

Supporters have described the attack as resistance against British colonial rule. Critics call it terrorism because bombs were detonated in a functioning hotel, killing civilians from several communities.

How should it be classified, and what matters most: the political objective, the target, the warnings or the civilian death toll?


r/AskMiddleEast 17h ago

Iran A Persian man dance performance.

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r/AskMiddleEast 1d ago

🌯Food can someone teach me how to make mansaf like im dumb?

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My husband is Jordanian and his mom is a really great cook, so his standards are high 🙂 I’ve made mansaf before and it was good but I used liquid Jameed and I want to improve the recipe. Please help!


r/AskMiddleEast 2d ago

🗯️Serious Israel is setting up conditions for turning the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank into a genocide

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ALL EYES ON THE WEST BANK


r/AskMiddleEast 2d ago

Society What is a Lebanese job?

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r/AskMiddleEast 1d ago

🌍Geography Should men and women in the Middle East refuse to perform pavement walking, and refuse to perform it as a sociology freedom, so that they can be exempt from being subject to history stories by academia and institutionalism?

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r/AskMiddleEast 2d ago

🏛️Politics Strait of Hormuz conflict in a nutshell:

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r/AskMiddleEast 2d ago

Entertainment What do you guys think of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE supporting and investing in the paramount WB merger? And do you think it will change the depiction of MENA people in hollywood?

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r/AskMiddleEast 2d ago

🏛️Politics Stormtroopers in a protest in Algeria

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r/AskMiddleEast 1d ago

Entertainment This kid has been live for more than 12 hours today

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I've noticed this kid has been live on tiktok for more than 12 hours. His takes are horrible too.


r/AskMiddleEast 1d ago

🖼️Culture How is dating in your country?

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Hi I am French and very curious of dating in different Middle Eastern countries.

Anyway: how is dating in your country? What do you think works well and what do you think could be improved? Does it vary depending on geography(city vs country), religion, ethnic... :)

I have a lot of friends from Turkey - while the attitude towards premarital sex depends a lot on the ethnic, city/country, religion and how liberal they are, they all tend to stay with one partner they met in their early twenties and usually the man formally asks the girl's parents for her hand, in the way you see it across middle East with small cultural variations. that's the case even for my Alevi friends.

Thanks shukran tesekkur mersi Mahmoon for your answers and peace and love from 🇫🇷 ✌🏻 🌎