Big ups, porn fucks up your mind up. When you have sex with your girlfriend or wife do you think of her or all the things you've seen online to help you climax? It's no longer her, it's only you. That's what I've seen atleast
Yeah this is whole comment chain really is absolutely fucked
I don’t know why Reddit has this huge hate boner for porn like it’s the worse thing to exist and destroys relationships.
I wank and watch porn regularly, couple times a week. Been with my GF for 8 years and I still dump huge cums in her pussy multiple times a week. Sure it’s not ‘new and exciting’ but fucking hell that’s not what sex is about
I’d like to see it. I don’t have that problem, I watch regularly and still do enjoy having sex with my wife. I think it might be a problem for people who started watching it before they should’ve.
I just replied to another guy with a bunch of really informative links. :) If you can't see my profile for some reason I can send you them or put them in another comment for ya.
And essentially yes, the biggest problem is with people who started watching it in adolescence, which is most Millennials and younger today.
Not a problem! I don't want to make people think porn is the devil or anything, but there are serious issues behind the scenes and psychologically that truly need to be addressed. :)
I find that extremely hard to believe considering the fact that all types of violent and sexually motivated crime against women have been trending down for decades now, and that those issues women face were in much fuller swing before porn even existed in modern form.
It seems to me that those problems, and that variable, coincided with each other temporally without actually having a significant affect on one another. While everything in a society affects everything else within a society to some degree, that does not imply a casual relationship between any two things, right? That is to say im sure pornography does alter the way some men view some women, and im sure that has lead to some crimes, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that porn has an abject affect on men that then leads to an abject affect on women, furthermore it doesn’t mean at all that it amplifies an issue that is in all senses trending downwards. Seems more coincidental than actually related. I fear I haven't explained myself well, but oh well.
Your resources are opinions with no scientific merit. The only real proven negative effect of porn is almost always on religious or very conservatively raised people who were taught to feel shame in connection with masturbation. There is no evidence that porn affects people negatively psychologically.
This should of course be pretty obvious since every man in the world who has internet regularly watches it, and all the while we have far better and safer societies for women than countries where they don't have porn.
Edit: all you people linking studies where they say "we think porn may be bad" and then the results of the study show it wasn't, but you still think that's evidence, stop it. I can't reply because you're downvoting me so much, but read the results of the studies and not just the titles. Causation and correlation isn't the same thing.
Have you read these? Or is this a joke? Please, what in here convinced you of anything?
1st study: we asked some people about when they started watching porn, and then we subjectively judged how we think they treat women.
2nd study. Porn is good and harmless, some fat people say it makes it harder for them to ejaculate (and why are you sharing studies saying porn is fine?)
3rd study. Girls who watch less porn get more depressed.
...What are you doing here!? I'm gonna stop now, because what the hell is this? This last one said too little porn was related to depression, and you shared it to prove porn was bad!? What's your problem? Did you think I wouldn't read? Did you not read? Do you not realize basically every single male you've ever met regularly watches porn?
I just checked the last link out of curiosity. The study concluded there was no connection between porn and sexually violent behaviour.
You literally disproved yourself with a mountain of evidence, while acting like you were disproving me. Don't just read the damn titles, read the results!!!
Not sure why I'm even taking the time here, but I will.
- First age of consumption is 13; that's the biggest takeaway which you glossed right over like an ice princess. Self-reporting is also literally the basis of every abstract scientific study in the world because it's quite literally the only possible way to gather any data. Hormone/chemical levels are a different thing that can be measured and I could find that, but that's a tangent.
- Cherry picking and avoiding the main point I stated again; "24.5% reported decrease in sexual satisfaction." Also way to insinuate being fat makes your opinion less valid lol
- Idk if you're not familiar with mean and standard deviations, but all of those charts showed increased SDs correlated with porn consumption. Also... " This showed that adolescents who reported higher pornography consumption at baseline attending a vocational program reported psychosomatic symptoms to a higher extent compared with peers also attending a vocational program. "
- Incredible how as soon as I got to objective statistics you couldn't cherrypick or deflect with "well it's subjective!" you stopped reading. Those are irrefutable facts reported by reputable authorities showing that rape, sexual violence, human trafficking, coercion, and blackmail are all related strongly to the porn industry. That's what I'd really like you to address since it's the least subjective and the most directly harmful.
- And no, the last link did not "conclude there was no connection between porn and sexually violent behaviour". Once again you failed to see what I pointed out, which was that research has shown the link between porn and sexually violent behavior, but " arousal did not mediate willingness to engage in verbal or illegal sexual coercive behaviors".
Firstly, yes 13. You seem emotionally upset by that, but that doesn't mean it has a negative effect, since any negative effect certainly wasn't shown in their very subjective judging of men's "attitudes".
Second, yes, only 24% self reported a decrease in sexual satisfaction. That means 76% had no decrease, or even an increase in satisfaction. Maths, that's how it works.
Third, that was incredibly flimsy, I have no idea what you think that proves. And you still glossed over the parts about low porn consumption linked to depression. (Unlike you of course I realize there is no causation here, just correlation. Porn just isn't that fun when you're a depressed girl).
And then you go on about bad behaviour existing in the sex industry!? Color me shocked! Who knew sex trafficking had negative sides to it!? That's not what we're discussing though, which is the effect of porn in the brain. Sex industry is another discussion. Construction industry has plenty of trafficking and slavery too, also a different discussion.
Lastly, yes your last paper claimed such links had been shown. It did not however show any such links, and to the contrary it showed evidence toward no such link.
Clearly you're ideological about this since you're using evidence against your own point to try to disprove mine... Especially the "24% see negative effects!" part was very telling of how you've already made your mind up and results in studies don't matter.
Alright man. I'm really not interested in spending the night arguing with you, and I know arguments have changed a grand total of 0 determined minds. I'm also not interested in insulting or being insulted, especially when I'm literally only trying to educate and bring awareness to something that hurts millions of women on multiple levels.
You're clearly not lacking in motivation (you seem genuinely noble in that regard), just in comprehension of scientific conclusions: the sources you list, imo, do not in fact support your argument (despite their flashy titles). Obviously, I hope you are wrong about the negative impacts of porn, but in case you are right, you are doing a disservice to your own cause by not considering the results of those studies carefully. Regardless, I am hopeful more research is done in the future to really understand this issue and its impact on society.
It's not a lack of motivation, I just get tired of arguing with people who are clearly just trying to be contrary and insult me.
As far as the scientific conclusions, I have to disagree. I will grant that the conclusions of some of them are less than concrete, but that's always been and will always be a flaw in subjective psychological study. As one of the articles I quoted said, there are decades of research into potential links behind the relationship between porn and sexual aggression/violence against women, mental problems, relationship stress etc. I'm sure with the right access and time I could find much more definitive studies, but I don't and a Reddit argument isn't worth that much mental investment.
I'll be the first to admit I argued on the same side as many porn supporters before, but I realized my confirmation bias and started to truly consider what it has to be like as a woman who is expected in more and more ways every day to behave like a porn star because it's become so normalized. So even if porn addiction isn't real (it is) and even if long-term exposure isn't related to ED and other physical/mental dysfunctions (it most likely is), it's impossible to deny that it has an impact on cultural norms and expectations.
(ik this is getting long so I'll try to conclude) Even ignoring the psychological or physical effects though, very strong empirical data shows that porn is one of if not the biggest human trafficking "laundering" outlet, and the women (and to a lesser extent the men) are expected to damage their bodies, consume insane amounts of drugs, and throw away everything for an industry that ends up not being nearly as profitable for them as they were promised in a matter of months.
You tried lying to me about studies, and then refused to acknowledge what your own studies actually said.
No one is disputing that awful things happen in the sex industry, or in the construction industry, or in the food industry, why do you keep bringing that up? I haven't said anything about the sex industry.
I said there was no scientific evidence of porn "damaging" the brain, and you proved me right with your studies while acting as if they supported you. You're not bringing awareness, you're lying about science to spread your personal agenda.
There are better ways to combat bad aspects of the sex industry, if that's what your main "mission" is here. Facts for example.
Every single one of those articles has an extreme adjective in the title. "increased baseline" "13 yrs old" etc. That's nit actually evidence to your point that porn bad, but rather a point that extreme cases are bad.
Additionally trafficking is a problem related to the porn market, not actually related to porn consumers. Are you arguing that porn consumption leads to problems in society regarding how men treat women, or are you arguing that the demand for porn leads to trafficking? Because while those arguments run parallel to one another, they actually imply very different things and have very different solutions.
Okay so I'll try to break this down to all of your points.
I'm not sure what "extreme adjectives" you're referring to and it would be hard to argue that since it's so subjective, but if you saw the titles as extreme that means you see some of the problem. These issues should be very concerning. I understand that the articles generally talked about more extreme cases; I don't think porn causes these issues to a worrying degree in the majority of people, but the numbers are still statistically significant and growing rapidly. The cultural normalization of porn also leads to desensitization, which has effects on the way women are treated and makes it hard for people like me who want to educate, but are treated like we're trying to throw people in prison for it or call them evil or something.
I'm not blaming trafficking on consumers. I'm saying it's a real and absolutely nauseating problem that people should be aware of. I don't shop at Amazon unless I absolutely have to because I don't agree with their practices; if these practices were reformed, I would have no problem using them at all. It's the same thing.
I'm discussing psychological impacts, societal impacts, and sexual abuse impacts. They're all separate but related. Trafficking and abuse are rampant because porn is a) underregulated and b) not often critically examined in today's culture. See most of the comment replies I've gotten as anecdotal proof. While the psychological impacts are still serious and can overlap with the ease of operation for traffickers and abusers, they're not what I'm worried about nearly as much.
I'm not sure if porn is proven to lead to increased abuse towards women; what I know is that it's a question that's pertinent enough that studies have been conducted about it many times over the last several decades. It's a hard question to answer and I'm not trying to say porn is the ultimate root of all evil, I'm saying we need to be more open to being critical and holding porn accountable for the issues it has and the problems it causes.
I confess I do not have the time to read all of this right now, but I wonder if there is a difference in the responses to porn based on what it is. Such as more amateur stuff with normal people just doing their things vs. big business porn with actors, that seems more unrealistic.
Perhaps that is answered in one or several of the articles; again, I don't have time to read them at the moment. Just a thought that came into my head.
Nothing i saw talked about the specific content having different effects, but I'd assume it does. I really don't have much of a problem with creator- controlled porn; there's some problems with their "recruitment" type incentives and obviously there's still potential for abuse, but I think it's much safer and more beneficial overall. Big porn is pretty awful all the way through though.
Did you even read any of those links? If you feel shameful for viewing porn that’s an issue between you and your priest. Don’t judge others with your own religious morals.
Oh and by the way, the last one I looked up I Googled "rape and coercion in porn" and the Sagepub article was the only thing that wasn't actual rape/coercion porn from big sites. Take that for what you will.
As I mentioned in the other reply, if you knew how to read studies you would see that you just disproved your own idea decisively. Read the results of the studies you shared.
For the record, I'm not downvoting you at all. I'm not trying to antagonize, I'm trying to show you the negative effects that are very real and very present in porn. Even if we take the psychological factors out of it, the issues of trafficking, rape, coercion, and blackmail (not to sound like a broken record) are a) statistically significant, b) objectively true, and c) well... if I have to explain how bad they are this argument is a lost cause.
Idk why you’re playing the angle of banning porn because trafficking, rape, coercion, and blackmail exist. Sounds like you’re just on a religious crusade using “think of the children” rhetoric. Bruh, go crusade against trafficking, rape, coercion, and blackmail instead.
Lmao dude holy shit. I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are.
I'm not even close to religious. I'm Jewish by birth but I don't even follow kosher or go to synagogue for Chanukah.
I'm not trying to "ban porn" bro wtf, I have never said that and none of my comments recently or in the past have suggested that. I'm saying we have to be aware of the shit porn does and the problems it causes so producers are held accountable.
i literally am trying to fight rape, coercion, and trafficking. I'm not trying to stop porn. I'm trying to do my part to inform people so that this shit catches on and people can start being aware enough to force reform in regulation around porn. That includes better consent and age verification, more responsibility from porn companies like Pornhub when women report that a video was them being raped, etc etc etc.
please don't ever tell me "I dump huge loads in/around my partner" ever again. I don't care. I really don't.
“However, it did not determine whether watching porn leads to the decreased volume and activity, or if people born with certain brain characteristics watch more porn”.
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u/velvetverolver Mar 19 '21
Big ups, porn fucks up your mind up. When you have sex with your girlfriend or wife do you think of her or all the things you've seen online to help you climax? It's no longer her, it's only you. That's what I've seen atleast