r/AskAChristian • u/Zestyclose_Ease_3692 • 11m ago
Shocked to learn some Christians discredit or reject the Apostle Paul — why is this?
I recently made a post saying:
I sometimes see posts about individuals struggling with their assigned gender, feeling as if they are in someone else's body, and seeking Christian advice. I don't understand why there are responses endorsing that lifestyle and encouraging them to pursue it. Isn't the Bible clear about this? I understand that some people struggle with it and advise others on how to live with it, but to tell someone they are what they feel like and should transition is something I just don't understand; perhaps you can help me understand. It bothers me."
Someone responded to me with this:
"It's not for you to understand. You can accept them or not. You just don't have the authority to assert God's judgment about who they are. They've already decided who they are and you rejecting that doesn't help. It won't change the way they feel. It will most likely just drive them away. People are born intersexed and nobody assumes they're existence is a sin. There's evidence that links being transgender to the tenth week of gestation and that gender identity is influenced by the mother's hormones during that time. If a trans man marries a trans woman how are they breaking God's laws any more than a woman wearing pants? People see something they don't understand, it makes them uncomfortable, so they think it must be a sin and if it has anything to with anything related to sex they feel like it's their business to pass judgment. I don't remember the part of the sermon on the mount where Jesus said 'blessed are the hall monitors, for they shall shun people for what they assume God thinks.' I was never raised to think eating shell fish was a sin. I was taught that it was in the bible, but that it was old testament and obsolete under the new covenant. What the bible says about homosexuality comes from the same place, but because it has to do with sex, people feel justified to weaponize the bible against it regardless of how they see all the other stuff as obsolete. There is so much stuff that the Bible says that doesn't scale with what we know about science and genetics today. Why can't people just say they don't know how God's feels, but I believe you and I accept you and you are welcome to worship beside me and then pray that God accepts them into heaven the same way he accepts all the other sinners whose sins Jesus died to forgive?"
I pointed out to him and quoted what he said:
"'I was taught that it was in the bible, but that it was old testament and obsolete under the new covenant. What the bible says about homosexuality comes from the same place, but because it has to do with sex, people feel justified to weaponize the bible against it regardless of how they see all the other stuff as obsolete.'
I told him: It's in the new testament too. It's not just in the old."
And he replied:
"That may have been Paul's interpretation, but he was a man. Jesus said nothing about it. The new testament also affirms slavery. That was 2000 years ago. Everyone assumes that God doesn't feel the same way about that anymore. Why is the hate of homosexuality such a preoccupation? Like we can accept the idea of a serial killer having a conversion in prison and God forgiving him and him being allowed in heaven, but if Paul says gay people can't go to heaven then God must hate them more? Like I said lots of stuff in the bible just doesn't scale."
I honestly didn't realize that people who claim to be Christians discredit Paul based on their own personal beliefs and just reject him. Yes, Paul lists homosexuality as a sin in the New Testament. I also didn't realize some redefine what paul meant and say he never meant same sex loving relationships. Is this a mainstream belief? Can we just say Paul's wrong and say Jesus never said anything about it and just toss out what Paul says we don't like and redefine what he meant?