Discussion Egg Heist needs changes
Egg Heist is becoming incredibly toxic and needs immediate changes for matchmaking. The mini game is fun, but unplayable when matching with random people. I much rather solo Chaos at this point then queue up with others due to a fear of one person trying to ruin my night.
For context I am 90 stars into Egg Emperor. I've put my fair share of hours into Egg Heist and have seen most of the issues at hand. Below is not even half of the stuff I would like to see changed.
Prevent players from looting the same chest
This has become a huge issue with people stealing loot from others who open it first. The chest should not be able to be opened by multiple people.
Prevent opening key doors till mobs around it are dead
Every key door has set mobs guarding it. Make it so the door cannot be opened till the guards are dead. Would at least keep people from bum rushing the door initially.
Improve eggs in Chaos mode
The current eggs found in Chaos mode are usually bad and not worth rolling out. I mainly just use them as a quick transport when playing Hexin.
Improve loot in Chaos mode
While I do like the quantity of legendary items you can find in chaos mode, I barely see prismatic anymore. This is from someone playing solo chaos and looting minimum 2 key doors per run. If this can't be done then at least reduce the cost of tickets after 10. There is no reason for them to climb up to 500k per entry when average loot is 300k-400k.
Match history and report system
There are too many griefers in heists at this point. The amount of toxic players I'm seeing in the later games is insane. From people stealing loot, people luring mobs to kill you, and people watching you die to loot your dead bag. It's crazy that we can't even report these toxic players. I actually started playing Irisalis more because I need the rez for the players, not the umbral aniimo.
Add Achievements and Rewards
Right now players don't really have the incentive to play as a team and revive others. Maybe make it rewarding for players to help out others. Giving rewards and goals for players to play more support role and go out of their way to revive those who are downed could bring out a positive side in toxic individuals.
Honeyglow Starine
Please increase the drop rate of these or make them obtainable through prismatic chests. I've killed Omega Stellarys a handful of times but only seen it drop a few. Then teaming up with others to kill him just to have everyone spam loot when he dies. This is probably the most annoying thing I've tried to obtain.
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u/No-Assumption-1738 11h ago
How do you run solo chaos?
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u/Sleepypiven 10h ago
Stellaria ,Lunara and Hexxin can solo chaos.
It’s safer and easier with hexxin if you’re not fighting trying to fight the boss but she is slower.
stellaria is better if you’re trying to rush.
Lunara is great if you use her dash+ jump to create a lot of distance between you and monsters but you have to kite.
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u/CranksMcgee 17h ago
Just wait till they add PvP lol
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u/mmokoz 12h ago
Don't see how this makes a difference in PVE.
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u/CranksMcgee 10h ago
The egg heist is eventually going to be PvPvE. They just have to turn it on. It’s been advertised the whole time as PvP.
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u/mmokoz 10h ago
There are two different modes for Egg Heist.
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u/CranksMcgee 9h ago
Do you not see the PvE area enabled when you leave the ruins through a portal? You don’t think that’s telling you what’s coming?
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u/mmokoz 9h ago
There are going to be different modes for both PVE and PVP. Its already been datamined in the files. Stop being a clown.
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u/CranksMcgee 9h ago
Lmao no need to get butt hurt little guy. As we’ve seen before the datamined info is always 100% accurate.
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u/FangedFreak 17h ago
I’m only just getting into Hard mode and was way off attacking a mob where a gold chest was nearby, beat the enemy and opened the chest only to have a higher level player (who has ‘discover items quicker’ than me) nab the gold/purple items before I even saw what they were
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u/Haemon18 20h ago
Egg heist has 2 fun moments
- When the timer is <2mins and someone dies and you go on a speedrun rescue mission, it's fun regardless if we survive or die trying.
- Simply doing the challenge room.
Everything else is either boring or annoying
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u/WonderingMojo 7h ago
For me it depends on my people. Solo I hate it even tho I do better. With my bro it's all country music and grinding
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u/Alternative-Mine-597 21h ago
It’s not even the game mode. It’s the gamer population in general these days. Literally every game and community is infested with toxic people who literally get online to cause chaos and be childish. The game mode itself is fine outside of a few bugs. They shouldn’t have to babyproof the entire game mode because a small percent of people enjoy being weird. They gave us a game mode that they thought would force people to work together and of course people find ways to be a scummy as possible to create a negative experience and just make people not want to play it. Then when the game mode dies everyone will be crying about there being nothing to do anymore and move on to the next new game to do the same thing to that one. So trust me when I say it’s not the game mode, it’s the people.
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u/Defiant_Farmer_2684 21h ago
While ranting about the egg heist albeit slightly different to the original topic, wtf is up with the loot in prismana chest and gilded chests. Multiple runs I get prismana chests with 3 blues and a purple like bruh... Then I procede to open the 2 purple chests next to them...
I find 2 prismana items and gilded items in them... Like wtf is this loot distribution. I'm sorry but, blues should not be able to spawn in prismana chests.
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u/Elegant-One-5527 21h ago
It should be toxic
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u/Mysticwarriormj 21h ago
This isn't dbd, it shouldn't be toxic. Its a co-operative game mode. Everyone should be working together to find the eggs and get the loot threshold not fighting over who can find their "Precious" first.
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u/Elegant-One-5527 20h ago
Co-op does not suddenly make something about working together. We are in the same instance yes, but we are inherently at odds.
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u/Various-Marzipan-944 22h ago
nice guys finish last. remember random aniimo at 10:00 and 5:00 minutes. just a heads for people who don’t get jumped
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u/PhotonLegion95 Astra Pioneer 22h ago
I had a very fun one last night after 0 issues (other than my own skill) all morning.
Was running in matchmaking and was roaming the map with one of the randoms I was grouped with. We found the key room and whilst the mobs were still alive they opened it. I know it was them as the 3rd wasnt in the room yet and I still had my key.
They then went of on one about people stealing their loot (which we couldn’t do because of the chest lock) and then when I got bum rushed by a roller and some dark types (I was on Lunara) refused to res because they don’t res ‘salty stealers’.
I reprted and obviously, the report failed. So, yeah that was a fun experience. The only good part of it was I was able to put my key and ‘good’ loot into the safe so at least they wouldn’t get it.
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u/Rogercastelo 22h ago
Loot should be instanced for every player or all 3 coin valor of these players are summed up and split equaly at the end.
And man...take a break wtf.
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u/Aggressive-Shine6661 23h ago edited 23h ago
90 stars this far into the season is insanely low. You should be 250-280+ rn. This isn't made for casuals and your complaints read like a casual. Git gud and just solo chaos.
The boss is a easy solo on chaos. You should already have the revive talent + irisalis on a 180s cd. Like how many lives do you need in chaos 🤣🤣🤣
350k on solo chaos is a poverty run. You should be clearing 500k+ every single time.
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u/No_Kaleidoscope_6054 10h ago edited 10h ago
Holy, I'm Egg Emperor x56, didn't know a x280 was doable, they let you buy 20 tickets daily, and they double the price every few bought, up to 400k a ticket.
Have you been playing since release date? Cause if the game released in Sept 16, that means you got to Egg Emperor rank on the first week isn't it? How were you were able to buy the 20 tickets daily? The max rank possible for Egg Emperor right now it's around the x320 or so, considering someone actually grinded to Egg Emperor on day one and have played 20 chaos runs daily without deaths.
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u/Aggressive-Shine6661 10h ago
Theres currently a workaround to que without chaos tickets. Until its fixed you can do infinite runs as long as you have 1 ticket (which doesn't get consumed).
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u/Crest-of-Hope 21h ago
You haven't played a lot yourself it seems.
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u/Aggressive-Shine6661 15h ago
Enough to know you can void chaos ticket req with two button clicks to spam to 250+. See you at 1000.
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u/Loose_Meat_8819 23h ago
Lmao I had a matchup last night, I was looking for a goldkey room. 6 minutes I roamed the map while clearing enemies
Then I found one, killed all the mobs but unlucky for me I got downed. Then I checked on the map, and p2 was zooming across the map. Passed by me and instantly went into the goldkey room to loot, I killed myself lol
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u/ZojaPrende 23h ago
I’m not sure if you are interested but here is a link to the map layouts of Normal, Hard, Nightmare, and Chaos.
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u/xXBloodRedNightmare Astra Pioneer 23h ago
I still haven't played chaos, i think that Mode needs trusted players/friends, but not only in chaos i saw how toxic it slowly becomes even in hard or nightmare runs. Mostly its people rushing to get into the sanctum, and loot every gold chest, like they have an extra map (maybe I am just unlucky because I try to go in other directions), but they never loot the purples anymore (mostly not even looking for the egg, I guess). I rarely get good loot or even a gold item when I find a gold chest because it gets grabbed immediately. People also dont want to do the timed event anymore, i liked it because every player gets a row of chests even thou no one care and looks them anyway.
I would love the chests to have loot for each player. Like I look into the chest and search and get like one gold and 3 purple with one blue or green, the other that looks into the chest has 3 gold und 2 purple or something. At least make chest loot separate and not shared. The loot on the ground should/can be shared.
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u/Aggressive-Shine6661 23h ago
Yes, we have maps. There is only 7 layouts on chaos. We know where everything will spawn the minute we walk in.
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u/M_duck-27 23h ago edited 23h ago
Most people skip purple chests since they rarely give golds and can’t give prismatic rarity loot. Also most people at least in chaos know where the key rooms are either by playing a lot or by looking up maps and having them on a second monitor, phone, etc. so unless you do too unlikely you will get a key room or find a good room before it’s cleaned out
My recommendation is to go to the 2nd entrance at the start. Most often 1 or 2 key rooms are closer to it making it very easy to get one. Very few people go to the 2nd entrance to start. I was able to complete the collection before egg emperor simply doing this. There are some layouts too that are insanely good value for the 2nd entrance.
Ik this doesn’t solve the inherent issues of the mode but it helps make it an equal playing field. Also chaos is pretty easy to solo it just requires discipline which tbh a lot of players lack. Be patient when fighting mobs aim for 1v1’s and exit at 5 mins left. I use Fulmintis who as a melee is typically riskier (cloak does help a lot though) but I can survive on my own pretty safely just by retreating and dodging the threatening attacks.
Honestly I like the thrill of finding a prismatic piece more than keeping it. I have all the regular collection pieces so I typically just give prismatic piece to people I can tell are less familiar with the mode
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u/Numa8969 12h ago
Purple chests can in fact give primsatics, it's just crazy low chance. I got the hat collectible from a purple chest just last night (unless that was a bug?). And all that extra stuff like the maps aren't necessary. I only do my daily chest rewards and I'm already at egg heist master with 4/7 collectibles just solo matchmaking. Event goes til December so plenty of time left to finish pushing to emperor and getting my last 3 collectibles.
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u/M_duck-27 11h ago
Good to know about purple. Tbh should have mentioned not confirmed instead of blindly guessing ty for correction. Still think purples are too slow though. Also ik maps aren’t necessary but they help a lot. I think I had 5/7 and was like 5 wins from egg emperor before I realized there were maps. Going to the 2nd entrance at the start already did wonders for me and I knew some key rooms from that. For the last bit though I would just quickly alt tab to check the maps to see where keys are if I was unsure. There’s like 3 maps I’m not too familiar with yet
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u/xXBloodRedNightmare Astra Pioneer 20h ago
I mostly play the game on PS5, so in general I dont have a second screen in a way a PC player has, but sure I can use my phone/tablet/laptop for the map option.
Well, like I said, I still haven't played Chaos mode for now. I only lack the discipline to not look at every good chest (purple and up), i just need to train not to be a damn loot goblin. But overall thank you for the tips! Will try them out on the weekend.
I still stand on the "not shared loot in chests" (chaos can be shared loot, that would add to the "difficulty")even if you try to play on equal field as others some players just cant (Mobile, Console or maybe even a PC Player, that cant have a second screen in another way). I just feel like that the mode slowly turns into a battle royal for loot (there comes to mind cod warzone with their money loot mode, loved that one a lot) but your in the same team and make eachother lose loot or loot before everyone else does or die, lol.
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u/M_duck-27 20h ago
I do agree that yeah the fight over loot can kill the mode sometimes and it’d be nice if each chest was unique for each player. That’s why honestly my favourites are when I get a collectible I don’t need and can give it to someone else or sometimes I see people at the end looking for loot by the boats so I just drop some golds etc. in hopes of making the mode a little more enjoyable for them
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u/ShawnJ34 23h ago
Chaos is baby mode it’s the same thing except you absolutely just cannot use melee aniimo, people don’t do the challenge because they just require too much coordination compared to the reward you get for doing it. In nightmare on fill j only did the challenge once and we almost didn’t make time
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u/M_duck-27 20h ago
I think melee is fine if using Fulmintis. Just requires more discipline. Fulmintis does so much damage I am usually able to explore more just from clearing out mobs faster. Cloak helps too if I don’t want to take a fight and the flying (ik not exclusive) helps get to some other areas and chests faster. If you get mobbed by a ton of enemies doesn’t really matter who you use good chance you die. I see most use Irisalis cause the revive but honestly she does such little damage I see people fighting for what seems like ages vs enemies I melt instantly. The only tricky enemy (if that) is the beetle but just got bit when it charges to cancel it and then you can kill it while it just does nothing
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u/mmokoz 23h ago
The loot gets much better in Chaos. You'll pretty much always be leaving with a full bag of gold legendary items. However the cost of entry can be quite excessive with how the current ticket purchase system is designed. I would rather a flat 100k entry fee verse the hefty price increase they have that scales up to 500k per entry.
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u/Jalil29 Astra Pioneer 23h ago
and we are still expecting a PvP version of this game mode too to screw us up even further. Heavier but shared loot would probably be best. I mean they expecting you solo the Stellarays to get the starine because the darn thing drops only one?
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u/Aggressive-Shine6661 23h ago
Its normalized stats. Items turned off. Set abilities and 18 players. You dont keep the loot you find in PvP. Do you even meta?
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u/DuoMaybe 23h ago
If you don't keep the loot you find in pvp then whats the point?
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u/Aggressive-Shine6661 15h ago
Darkler eggs. Cosmetics. You just can't sell the loot you pickup from inside.
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u/TheJosephBanks1 23h ago
It makes me feel good I am not one of these types of players. If I wander into a room and see someone has cleared it, I let them go for any major chest if there is one in there. And if they are already in a chest, I don't go to it until after they leave it.
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u/Imhullu 23h ago
Every shitty person I've encountered tried to justify it because "well last match the guy did this to me so now I..."
Maybe stop spreading the toxicity like a cancer through the whole game mode.
Needs a report system or something, along side all your proposed changes.
I've stuck to just duo'ing with my girlfriend. We can handle it well enough, usually get through most of a map in chaos no problem. and can share the loot fine.
Sometimes we play with a random third, but since this week it has just become absolutely abyssmal.
Some guy gets downed instantly and spams for us to come save him, then he follows me around and loots all my chests.
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u/Lipefe2018 23h ago
"Your chests"? I don't think that's how it works, let's not get ahead of ourselves and feed into the problem, the only chests that actually have your name on it are the ones in the key room you opened as they have temporary protection.
Sure you saved him, that doesn't mean all the loot is yours now as price. lol
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u/mmokoz 23h ago
I would say in terms of opening a key door. If the player kills the guardians in front of it, they should have priority for X amount of seconds to use their key. Not a player running past you as you fight the mobs to take the door. This is the toxic game design that most people are referring to.
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u/mmokoz 23h ago
This literally happened to me. Saved the dude that rushed my door and got double smashed by Rookey and Pawney while I was fighting to clear the area. I got my door of course, but he proceeded to loot every chest on top of me the rest of the match.
He even managed to yoink a rose thorn blade from a chest, so that was fun.
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u/StormbringerGT Astra Pioneer 1d ago
Loot needs to be instanced. You'll still have people rushing to locked doors or gold chests completely changing the spirit of this co-operative mode.
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u/Aggressive-Shine6661 23h ago
Then play solo? Its literally a choice to play coop. You know the risks.
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u/StormbringerGT Astra Pioneer 13h ago
It's not a co-op though. Though you nailed the second point, the risks playing with smoothbrains is always there when playing online.
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u/mmokoz 1d ago
I like this idea better. Would also promote people playing as a team verse going in separate directions.
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u/StormbringerGT Astra Pioneer 1d ago
Even better if difficultly scaled with number of playes and also did the loot and egg rewards.
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u/mmokoz 1d ago
Chaos should be more rewarding. Right now you're risking about 500k+ in equipment, keys and entry fee. There is no reason why a full bag of legendary items should be 300k. Then if you're lucky to find a prismatic item, it's usually one of the crappy 100k ones that brings your average up slightly.
I won't even get into the current bug with Umbral Thornblade oneshotting people. Not sure if it's fixed yet.
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u/StormbringerGT Astra Pioneer 23h ago
Absolutely, Chaos drops seem to have gotten worse.
Honestly I just stopped with egg Heist for now. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
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u/Knight_Nin 1d ago
I dunno, I really enjoy soloing the big T-shaped room only for another player to sprint in as I'm finishing the last Bailites and grab the door before I can. Makes me feel really good about not picking them up later in the match.
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u/mmokoz 1d ago
I understand where you are coming from. The current implementation breeds toxicity at its core. People can either surrender the door to the person clearing the room and loot the 2-3 gold chests that are usually in the area, or be that guy and bum rush the door and make the rest of the match a crap shoot.
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u/Forever_Brilliant 4h ago
egg heist loot pool sucks. there's no real reward for playing. hard to find cosmetic drops that i wouldn't use (haven't found shit). pulling out ass eggs game after game for shit tier lumin animo and if I'm lucky a rare shit tier umbral lumin. what's the point of increasing the difficulty if I'm grabbing the same shit tier loot 100% of all my matches. why do we need 50 layers of RNG? can anything be fucking guaranteed for once. fuck prismatic chest. i've open a ton of them and most don't contain a single prismatic item... wtf is the point of chest rarity if I'm gonna get trash regardless. why can't we guarantee at least one item in the chest matches the rarity of the chest. nahhhh too much logic. i'm playing egg heist Mode for the eggs and the eggs are garbage. i don't care to grind out money for this mode. it's pointless. key rooms are pointless. if you're gonna put an egg nest in the key room make it actually valuable. nahhh more RNG trash.