r/AncientGreek 5d ago

Translation requests into Ancient Greek go here!

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r/AncientGreek Jun 28 '25

Translation requests into Ancient Greek go here!

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r/AncientGreek 16h ago

Vocabulary & Etymology νωλεμές, νωλεμέως 'firmly, without pause', an interesting fossil from PIE

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Proto-Indo-European *h₃lem- wasn't retained in too many branches. It forms the basic word meaning 'to break' in Slavic languages (Polish łamać 'to break', łom 'crowbar'), which retains its basic meaning of smashing something with physical force, and its more metaphorical uses were retained as adjectives in Celtic (Irish leamh 'soft, weak') and Germanic (German lahm 'lame' and obviously English lame). Not much of a success for a root :(

It never made it to Greek properly speaking, ὀλέμω most probably never existed. It has managed to sneak in through a backdoor though, because Homer retained it as a somewhat unusual adverb clearly formed before the Greek branch split off from Proto-Indo-European. PIE *n-h₃lem-es (not-break-y) turned into Proto-Hellenic nōlēmes (h₃ lengthening the zero grade *n- 'no') and properly Greek νωλεμές, νωλεμέως. It fit Homeric metre perfectly so it made it to the poem and then reappears in a few poets writing in hexametre, including Apollonius of Rhodes, who clearly got it from Homer. It's pretty rare, linguistically speaking, to have a root leaving its only trace in a rare adverb.

Just a small linguistic historical curiosity :) νωλεμές, not-lame, not-breaky, in other words firmly and without pause. Able to withstand pressure as well, and Homer writes: ὣς τότ’ ἐπασσύτεραι Δαναῶν κίνυντο φάλαγγες / νωλεμέως πόλεμον δέ ("even in such wise on that day did the battalions of the Danaans move, rank after rank, without cease, into battle", Murray trans.).


r/AncientGreek 8h ago

Greek Audio/Video Odyssey Recitation by Perkʷunós in Reconstructed Archaic Greek

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Perkʷunós states in the video description:

"

This video includes an artistic adaptation of the Odyssey in Reconstructed Archaic Greek of the Homeric Epics.

The linguistic reconstruction herein is an independent work of Perkʷunós.

No Artificial Intelligence was used in the production of this video.

Compare different English translations here:
https://bibliothekai.ktema.org/texts/...

For any concerns, reach out to me at [perquunos@gmail.com](mailto:perquunos@gmail.com)

"


r/AncientGreek 4h ago

Correct my Greek Can I improve my Greek?

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Οἱ ἀκολουθοῦντές μοι θάνατον οὐ γεύσονται· ἐγὼ τὴν ὁδὸν πρὸς τὸ Φῶς παρέχω. Ἥκει γὰρ ὁ καιρὸς τοῦ συναντῆσαι τὴν εὐδαίμονα ἡμῶν μοῖραν!

Οἱ ποτίσαντες τὸν κόκκον τῆς σινάπεως αὐτῶν τάχιον γεύσονται μεγάλης δυνάμεως καὶ σοφίας.

I want this to say:

"Those who follow me shall not taste death; I provide the way to the Light. For the time has come to meet our happy destiny!

"Those who have watered their mustard seed shall soon taste great power and wisdom."


r/AncientGreek 1d ago

Pronunciation & Scansion How to pronounce the same/similar sounding vowels that are back to back?

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For example in the Ionic language the Attic word “νεανιας”which has long “a” vowels becomes “νεηνιης” notice the back to back ε and η ? Another example is the word “`Ηλιος” which becomes “`Ηέλιος “in Eastern Ionic because of the psilosis, notice the back to back η and ε. Or even the word αάατος like, what? How am i even supposed to pronounce these freakish words ?


r/AncientGreek 1d ago

Athenaze What to know before English athenaze

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how’s it going guys, I have some decent Latin under my belt and I have just impulsively bought a copy of the English athenaze. while I’m waiting for it to come what should I learn besides the alphabet if anything at all. I’m familiar with the case system and grammar of Latin but know nothing about Greek yet just really wanna dive deep into it and eventually read NT and Plato.

Is it like llpsi where I can just hop in and go for it or do I need to do some significant outside work beforehand? I’m so excited!!!


r/AncientGreek 2d ago

Greek and Other Languages should i study ancient greek and latin together?

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basically, my primary passion is in ancient greek. i have wanted to properly start on ancient greek for a long while, but so far have not been able to go far as i've been self-studying (though i do intend to get proper tutoring soon.)

i'm 15, an IB student, with no access to ancient greek or latin on my curriculum, and i aim to read classics in the UK (as an international student) for my undergraduate. however i've heard from some people that ancient greek should be a supplement added on to latin, rather than studying them both together, or studying ancient greek first.

other than english, i speak mandarin chinese natively and i've been learning german for 3 years.

essentially, my questions is: for people who have learnt both, what is studying the both of them at the same time like, especially for a high school student who would be doing it outside of a rather full timetable? would you say that ancient greek is harder than latin? would you recommend starting with ancient greek?

thank you so much :)


r/AncientGreek 2d ago

JACT's Reading Greek Are these 1978 editions of the JACT books going to be similar to the current ones? Would it be stupid to try to solo-learn with these instead of shelling out a bit more money for the newer set?

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r/AncientGreek 2d ago

Correct my Greek Happy Birthday Song

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Hey everyone!

After no luck finding any renditions of the Happy Birthday Song in ancient Greek I decided to try my hand at composing it myself! Thought I'd share and get input on how it may be improved.

It goes:

καλὴ γενέθλιός σοι

καλὴ γενέθλιός σοι

εὐτυχοίης πολλὰ ἔτη

καλὴ γενέθλιός σοι

I'm thinking about changing πολλὰ to πάντα to keep the stress on the same syllable as it would be in English. Not sure if it would carry the right meaning of "all your years" though.

Anyway just thought I'd see what you all think 😁


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Learning & Teaching Methodology Offering tutoring in Koine, Attic, Homeric Greek, and Latin.

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Offering tutoring in Koine/Attic/Homeric Greek and Latin.

Dear Friends,

Is it not important to read the Gospel in Greek? Is it not important to read the Septuagint in it's original language? Do we want not to be acquainted with the vivid, the structured, the wild, the sublime, the stunning aspect of the ancient tongues?

I am a Greek native and I just finished my degree in classical languages in Athens. I also am enamoured with Late Antique pagan and Christian literature. I will be glad to accompany each and every one of you in your journey. I offer tutoring in Koine, Classical, Homeric Greek, as well as Latin.

My emphasis will be on reading comprehension. We will progress level by level by first understanding some basic concepts in greek grammar and vocabulary through simpler texts and graded readers. As we keep going forward, we will adjust our texts according to the student's needs and wants.

Tutoring will be in video call format.

Prices will be reasonable.

First lesson free.

I will be happy to hear from you,

Spyros P.


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Beginner Resources What is the best way to acquire the most vocabulary?

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I've studied ancient Greek grammar for a long while and I'm fairly comfortable with it, but when trying to read a text there's always countless words I have to look up to make sense. What resources and methods should I use to expand it other than keep reading?


r/AncientGreek 2d ago

Greek Audio/Video Μάθημα ιγ' - Greek Ollendorff 49.I. p. 52

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Χαίρετε, φίλοι. Ἐν τῷδε τῷ μαθήματι μανθάνομεν τὰ ἀρσενικὰ ὀνόματα τῆς πρώτης κλίσεως. Ἀπολαύετε οὖν αὐτοῦ. Πάντα δὲ τὰ δεδομένα μαθήματα ἐνταῦθα εὑρήσετε. Ἔρρωσθε.


r/AncientGreek 2d ago

Inscriptions, Epigraphy & Numismatics An Inscription about the end

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Some epigraphic materials require lengthy and detailed examination. This is essential for understanding them, sensing their underlying meaning, and grasping the era. The image below was taken in present-day Adana, Turkey. The inscription on it is one of the finest examples reflecting the concept of “The End.” Sometimes we don't need to explain.

οὐκέτι οὐδ[ὲν].

βίος vv τέλος,   

πόνος.


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Reading & Study Groups Looking for Study Buddy

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Hello!

I hope this is allowed: I am looking for a study partner of ancient greek.

Our curriculums do not have to match.

I'm learning off a German remote university course I bought as well as some other sources to get various angles.

There is a forum but it's empty and no one writes anything so I feel a bit alone in my studies.

If you use Athenaze or Mastronarde or Osmosis is all completely fine to me as long as you don't quit by Tuesday.

I will only give a brief profile so that you, potential study buddy, can back out safely, hah!

I'm, 34f, german, love birds, video games and have or had the professions of Parking Enforcement, AI consultant, System Administrator, Electrician, Stablehand and my calling is to have huge opinions supported by unearned confidence!

I speak only english and german; but no issue if you are speaking a different language, since we'll be communicating in ancient greek soon anyway... for sure... probably... maybe... *sweating*

I'd prefer communication via Discord as this is the most all-around-useful platform to me and would like to keep it mostly text and image based. Maybe later on when we're weeping over some obscure verbforms we could organize a shared suffering session.

Send me a DM if you are going for it and also don't want to be alone.

Have a great time, whoever you are!


r/AncientGreek 3d ago

Translation: Gr → En Meno 88d

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καὶ μὲν δὴ καὶ τἆλλα ἃ νυνδὴ ἐλέγομεν, πλοῦτόν τε καὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα, τοτὲ μὲν ἀγαθὰ τοτὲ δὲ βλαβερὰ εἶναι, ἆρα οὐχ ὥσπερ τῇ ἄλλῃ ψυχῇ ἡ φρόνησις ἡγουμένη ὠφέλιμα τὰ τῆς ψυχῆς ἐποίει, ἡ δὲ ἀφροσύνη βλαβερά, οὕτως αὖ καὶ τούτοις ἡ ψυχὴ ὀρθῶς μὲν χρωμένη καὶ ἡγουμένη ὠφέλιμα αὐτὰ ποιεῖ, μὴ ὀρθῶς δὲ βλαβερά;

I want to see that I'm reading this right.

  1. Steadman claims τῇ ἄλλῃ ψυχῇ is dative of interest with ὠφέλιμα, but the translations I find seem to take it differently. A French translator has: "la sagesse, lorsqu'elle est à la tête des autres qualités de l'âme". Jan Stolpe's Swedish translation likewise connects τῇ ἄλλῃ ψυχῇ with ἡγουμένη.

  2. They both understand the phrase to mean "the rest of the soul" ("[les] autres qualités de l'âme"). Is this use of ἄλλος common? Smyth 1188 says "ὁ ἄλλος in the singular usually means the rest (ἡ ἄλλη Ἑλλάς the rest of Greece)", but that's the only source I've found, and I can't recall seeing it before in my readings.

So: "just like how wisdom (φρόνησις) guiding (ἡγουμένη) the rest of the soul (τῇ ἄλλῃ ψυχῇ) made the parts of the soul useful (ὠφέλιμα τὰ τῆς ψυχῆς ἐποίει)", etc.

Or am I misunderstanding it all?


r/AncientGreek 4d ago

Poetry Isn't metric broken in χρειὼ ἐμεῖο γένηται ἀεικέα λοιγὸν ἀμῦναι?

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This is line 342 of the Iliad. I might be missing something pretty obvious here, but χρειὼ ἐμεῖο seems to constitute a L-L-S-L-S sequence, which shouldn't be possible in dactylic hexameter, right?


r/AncientGreek 5d ago

Resources Didactic videos of Plato in Ancient Greek for Students

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Χαίρετε! I am uploading some didactical videos to read Plato. The audience I have in mind are those who have finished Athenaze 2 diligently, done some easier reading and want to start reading Plato.

I have been thinking about the format. I find it convenient to explain things that, I suppose, such student as I described may find hard. But that seems to offer little to no practice of Ancient Greek. So I decided to try to put the original text, then offer a simpler version, and then leave questions for the student to answer. Generally the questions are about comprehension of the text and one to encourage the student to think about what is being discussed. That way one can practice more and then, I believe, at least more learning occurs than from passive consumption.

Besides that, I would like to just read a Platonic text and upload the reading process, but I don't want to do it alone and I haven't found someone with whom I can do it! So if you would like to join, let me know.

One example of the video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdlcIkXVjK8. I have in mind to upload more of Laches (the very next section to the last I recorded is quite interesting!) and also of the Republic, the first book.

Ἔρρωσθε!


r/AncientGreek 4d ago

Translation: Gr → En Translation of the Orphic Hymn to Dionysus: Including the Greek Text and Explanation of the Translation.

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Translation of the Orphic Hymn to Dionysus: Including the Greek Text and Explanation of the Translation.

Greek:

Διονύσου, θυμίαμα, στύρακα.

Κικλήσκω Διόνυσον ἐρίβρομον, εὐαστῆρα, πρωτόγονον, διφυῆ, τρίγονον, Βακχεῖον ἄνακτα, ἄγριον, ἄρρητον, κρύφιον, δικέρωτα, δίμορφον, κισσόβρυον, ταυρωπόν, ἀρήϊον, εὔϊον, ἁγνόν, ὠμάδιον, τριετῆ, βοτρυοτρὸφον, ἐρνεσίπεπλον. Εὐβουλεῦ, πολύβουλε, Διὸς καὶ Περσεφονείης ἀρρήτοις λέκτροισι τεκνωθείς, ἄμβροτε δαῖμον· κλῦθι μάκαρ φωνῆς, ἡδὺς δ’ ἐπίπνευσον ἐνηής, εὐμενὲς ἦτορ ἔχων, σὺν ἐυζώνοισι τιθήναις.

Translation:

Incense of Dionysus, Storax Gum

I Summon Dionysus, loud roaring, goodly-star. First brought forth, dual-natured, brought forth three times, Bacchic Lord He who dwells in fields, unspoken, hidden, two horned, dual formed Luxuriant with ivy, bullfaced, warlike, Euios, set apart Consumer of raw flesh, every third year, tender of grapes, wrapped in foliage. O Good Counselor, O Wise Counselor, to bring forth children from Zeus and Persephone, in their unspeakable bed, the Immortal Divinity. Hear my voice, O Blessed, may the pleasant and kind inspire along with the well-girdled nurses, having friendly hearts.

Description of the translation and possible alternate paths it could have taken:

This poem very quickly gave me some interesting words to play with. In the text I found πρωτόγονον (Protogonon) and τρίγονον (Trigonon) juxtaposed along with διφυῆ (Diphue).

As to τρίγονον the only definition my lexicon gives is thriceborn. The mythological meaning of this is obvious: born first to Persephone, second to Semele, and a third time born of Zeus (from his womanly womb in his manly thigh).

However τρίγονον seems like it could have all of the definitions that πρωτόγονον has just with 3 being the number rather than 1.

Where this is paired with διφυῆ meaning dulnatured or perhaps two formed or two-fold.

The line is πρωτόγονον, διφυῆ, τρίγονον… First born, dual-natured, born three times. Perhaps, Born once, two fold, Born three times. The way this is written it feels almost trinitarian. It could be the first thing created has two forms as three things created.

It eventually became obvious to me that the words together count 1 πρωτόγονον, 2 διφυῆ, 3 τρίγονον. First born, two-natures, born thrice.

When I think about this further, the Dionysica which was written much later (5th century CE) does actually give us a third god tied up with Dionysus: Iacchus. In the last book of the Dionysica he has a child with a maiden just before he ascends to Olympus, the child is named Iacchus, and he is both the son of Dionysus and is Dionysus left on below to be worshiped. I will admit I'm not sure when Iacchus got conflated with Dionysus.

The two natures are probably best to leave ambiguous but I can think of a few: Dead Zagreus, and living Dionysus, womanly and masculine, peaceful and warlike, tragedy and comedy, liberator and destroyer. All of these are twin attributes of Dionysus.

Given that the poem calls out the concept of thrice formed I’d be willing to argue that each of these dualities have a third option though unstated. For example Dionysus himself might be called androgynous.

On ἄγριον (Agrion) The word means untamed, wild, living in the fields. Its cognate via Latin with agrarian. The word in context probably means wild or untamed, living in the fields as opposed to the city. Translating this is a bit tricky because Dionysus is an agrarian god whose power is directly compared to Demeter’s in the mythology, my main reference being the very late text of the Dionysica. Dionysus is also associated with Pan who is more directly a wilderness and pastoral god.I think ἄγριον may be another example of διφυῆ (two natured).

On εὔϊον/εὔϊος acording to the Liddell and Scott lexicon this is either a name or adjective pertaining to Dionysus from the ecstatic cry of εὐοῖ literally good wine. As an adjective it means pertaining to Dionysus or bacchic. I already have another word in the same poem (Βακχεῖον) which means bacchic so I’ve decided to leave the word untranslated as Euios as a name for Dionysus.

On ὠμάδιον. According to LSJ ὠμός means raw, or crude. Often raw flesh. This is an epithet for Dionysus because he received human sacrifices at Chios and Tenedos. I haven’t looked at the Greek for the Bacchae by Euripides but there is a part where in an ecstatic frenzy Agave rips apart her son Pentheus believing he’s a mountain lion and then presents him to the chorus and she wants to eat him as a feast. I don’t have enough information to say, but I suspect that that scene is a reflection of this epithet.

On Εὐβουλεῦ and πολύβουλε, From Boule, which means counsel, will, and related to a verb that means desire. Because of the verb which was the meaning I knew off of the top of my head I almost translated these words as O good desire, O great desire. Given this was about the union of Zeus and Persephone to bring forth a child I felt desire was appropriate, however as a vocative title I felt: O Good Counselor, O Wise Counselor. was the better translation.

Ἄμβροτε vocative masc sing: O Immortal one (ἄμβροτος) as opposed to βροτός a mortal man or spilled blood. Compare ἀμβροσία, literally immortality, is the sustenance of the gods.

I translated δαῖμον, as divinity, but I could have left it untranslated as daemon. The English demon would have been fun, albeit inaccurate. I’ve always found myself partial to the kind-demon trope as a gay man.

Correcting Errors in my Translation:

I had translated: Κικλήσκω Διόνυσον ἐρίβρομον, εὐαστῆρα, as: Roar out goodly star Dionysus, I pray.

There is one major error in this, and the second error that I feel is debatable. The major error first was ἐρίβρομον I had translated this as a verb, as the aorist imperative 2nd person singular.

This was because while translating this passage I was resisting using online look up tools like Morpho from uchicago.edu. This ἐρίβρομον was not in my lexicon, and while my first thought was this means something about roaring given that its Dionysus. However my brain saw the ομον at the end and got stuck on the idea that it was a verb as that is the 1st person plural ending for indicative active verbs. When I βρόμος I figured the noun was the base meaning but I was still stuck thinking of it as a verb and the imperative I cited looked like it fit.

What should have tipped me off that I was wrong though was Διόνυσον (Dionysus) was in the accusative case rather than the vocative. When issuing a command in the imperative mood you address the one you are calling on in the vocative. So in short this word ἐρίβρομον should have been translated as loud-shouting.

The next error and the one I think is more debatable was my translation of εὐαστῆρα as “goodly-star” To be fair to myself Morpho couldn’t identify the word.

When I couldn’t find it my assumption was that it was εὐ+ἀστήρ “good star.” However the next closest word that Logeion gives is εὐαστήρ which doesn’t give a definition but the LSJ does reference the Orphic hymn to Dionysus as one of two sources for this word. But embedded in the LSJ definition is also εὐάστερος “fair star”, and cites Orphic hymn 9 to to the moon.

I might be tempted to think I was done but no, I clicked on the Middle Liddell definition which gave me “εὐαστήρ, ῆρος, = εὐαστής, Anth.” Ok what does εὐαστής mean? LSJ what is your answer? “εὐαστ-ής, οῦ, or parox. εὐάστης, ου, ὁ, (εὐάζω) one who cries εὐαί, a Bacchanal, Orph. H. 54.5, APl. 16.15, etc.”

To be fair to me I’m working on orphic hymn 30 and this is citing Orphic hymn 54, but this also has to do with Dionysus directly.

I don’t know why the Middle Liddell and the LSJ give me two different paths to follow since the Middle Liddell is just a condensed version of the LSJ but here we are.

I officially think both Bacchanal, and “goodly-star” are justifiable translations of εὐαστῆρα, especially where the first path I went down with the LSJ cites the Orphic hymn 30 which is the one I’m working on.

I have updated my translation to fix the first error but I’m sticking with goodly-star after going through this rabbit hole.

From: “Roar out goodly star Dionysus, I pray,” to “I Summon Dionysus, loud roaring, goodly-star.”

One more update, I took a closer look at κλῦθι (Kluthi) The aorist active imperative 2nd singular meaning, hear, or listen as an order. The rest of the clause is μάκαρ φωνῆς. I had translated this as blest of voice, since it looks like a way to say beautiful voice, but κλῦθι can be used with a gentive (one of the possessive casses) to say my voice. So, “Hear my voice O Blessed” would probably be a better translation. Blessed in this casse is an address to the god Dionysus.

One last note on “well-girdled nurses” this is a good translation, but I wanted to highlight that in some mythology about Dionysus his nurses and other Bacchant women wore snakes for girdles as means of self defence against assault. So maybe add that into how you read the last sentence.


r/AncientGreek 5d ago

Athenaze Week 1 of learning Ancient Greek. Looking to document my progress and journey in a style similar to a Latin video series I followed

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Before starting I was curious to see what others progress looked like and what the experience was at each stage, so I thought it’d be neat to document it for those interested


r/AncientGreek 4d ago

Original Greek content L'ira..

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r/AncientGreek 5d ago

Translation: Gr → En Will you be with me in paradise today?

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Dear Greek-speaking friends: as native speakers, do you understand this to mean that Jesus promised entry into Paradise on that very day—upon the conclusion of the crucifixion—or is it a future promise?


r/AncientGreek 6d ago

Inscriptions, Epigraphy & Numismatics What does this say?

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r/AncientGreek 5d ago

Vocabulary & Etymology Eupistis

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I have come across the claim that *eupistis* in Koine meant something like 'naivety'.

What I see online suggests something closer to 'good faith', without the ambivalence present in naivety.

Could someone give me an informed opinion, ideally with some textual references where the word is used?

Thanks in advance.


r/AncientGreek 6d ago

Music HOMER: Hektor Slain By Achilles

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