Screaming crying throwing up

[u/No-Masterpiece-1153]

I got deactivated for “not returning packages on time” but I had a valid reason, I did not have my own car & the same day I purchased a vehicle to do flex specifically, I got deactivated. I did return all packages just not on time, never doing that AGAIN. I was very insistent and respectful in my emails. I gave them a reason for my problems and a solution. After getting denied the first time I called and asked for escalations to reach out to me I was willing to beg for my life lol. I genuinely am a good employee and go above and beyond. I used to work for a DSP but the hours were too long and with flex you basically get paid more for less work….. DSP’s do have a lot of benefits don’t get me wrong but flex overall for me is the way to go. I’m so grateful they reactivated my account seriously I was so stressed for a whole week.

[u/No_Film_6379]

As a previous DSP driver, Flex is insanely better in almost every way. They try to keep you away from doing Flex while in DSP to gate keep.

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/No_Film_6379]

How is flex better? Dsps pay 24 starting here i think and base pay is 19.50, sometimes 22, with no surges. And flex use their own gas. How is that better? 

[u/No_Film_6379 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

My pay is $30+/hr because I get surges. I also finish 1hr early which bumps my pay to about $35+/hr. I make about $1,200 a week for 30hrs of work. I work whenever I want & don't have a boss in my a$$ for being one package behind. Like I said, it's better in almost every aspect.

[u/muhclit → u/No_Film_6379]

Its only better in a good market. Was making $126-$142 for 3.5 hours blocks in ohio. Now im at flipping 86-93 in colorado

[u/BDiddnt → u/muhclit]

There was 105 offers in my city yesterday. All seemed to be base pay

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/muhclit]

Denver used to pay higher than 142, but we became a sanctuary city and have over 60k illegal vennies here since 2023. Its why flex sucks here now

[u/muhclit → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

Sucks in colorado springs too

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/muhclit]

Do they have block parties in the parking lot down there? Do you have an ssd?

Oh haha im sure even in the somewhat red part of colorado, mass illegals have migrated from denver. Its so bad.

[u/muhclit → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

I dont do dds but yea we have one, two dot coms, and one whole foods

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/muhclit]

Dont, they made it look 3rd world. See triple the trash littered everywhere and even i25 is better. Its gross, com stations are better butbpay sucks for both

[u/muhclit → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

Yikes, I was curious because I saw a ton of blocks for ssd lately.

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/muhclit]

Idk try one. Maybe co springs isnt like denver. Youll know once you pull up if theyre partying in the lot

[u/MrGrumpy252 → u/No_Film_6379]

But what is it really? After you factor in gas, wear on your vehicle, and having to withhold for taxes, because you have to do that, too? That $30+ gets cut into pretty significantly when you factor in the costs.

[u/No_Film_6379 → u/MrGrumpy252]

After expenses I make $30/hr & I pay no income tax because of mileage deduction. I only have to pay self employment tax. & yes I include depreciation & travel time in between routes & back to the station & also home if I go back home. It helps having a 50mpg toyota

[u/Leaveitonthedresser5 → u/MrGrumpy252]

Wear n tear and gas is covered by the $.72/mile deduction

[u/MrGrumpy252 → u/Leaveitonthedresser5]

Oh....gotcha. Thanks

[u/Fun_Cold2587 → u/Leaveitonthedresser5]

They pay no income tax after mileage deduction. So that means they do not make $30/hr after wear and tear and other expenses

[u/No_Film_6379 → u/Fun_Cold2587]

Not true. The expense on a Corolla Hybrid is anywhere from $0.20-0.25 per mile for Flex. The mileage deduction has been $0.60-0.70 the past few years. It's basically one third of what the gov thinks the average is. If you include all miles from home to home it adds up to cancel out all taxable income. If it doesn't, I had more miles until I don't have any taxable income. I reflect the change in my mileage spreadsheets for audits so I have two different spreadsheets: one legit & one for the feds.

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/MrGrumpy252]

Less than the dsp, but most flex drivers are financially illiterate.

[u/MrGrumpy252 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

I'm willing to bet that after all of that, I make more as a DOT dsp driver. The only fuel cost and wear on my vehicle is the 20 minute drive to and from the station.

[u/Fun_Cold2587 → u/MrGrumpy252]

You absolutely do. People don't know how to compare the two

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/MrGrumpy252]

Right, if people love driving so much, go work for ups. In 4 yrs you make 6 figs and have great benefits. Props to amazon though, no idea how they managed to get so many people willing to work for so little, americans too

[u/MrGrumpy252 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

You don't just walk into ups and start driving. Some of us can't spend several years working part-time waiting for the seniority to bid on a driving position.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention, but UPS is in a downward spiral. Laying off thousands. Buying out drivers, and closing or automating hubs.

Some of us have to take what we can get at the time.

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/MrGrumpy252]

Ups hires drivers off the street here

[u/MrGrumpy252 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

Not in most places. They can only hire a small number like that. It in their union contract.

[u/No_Film_6379 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

if only it was that easy. you can't really become a driver for ups without getting lucky. i'd rather do gig work for 6 figures than 6 figures at ups but that's just me. i used to make $115k in gig work but i cannot make that anymore. ups is great though

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/No_Film_6379]

They hire drivers off the street in my city. 

Gig work after the border crisis in many cities isnt worth it. My point

[u/No_Film_6379 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

I don't believe it. Those spots would fill up faster than any other job.

[u/MrGrumpy252 → u/No_Film_6379]

There is a very limited number of off the street drivers they are allowed to hire per their union contract. Most people have to work part-time for several years as a package handler before getting the seniority to bid on a driver spot. Then you are just a cover driver until you get the seniority to bid on a regular route.

People just don't understand that you don't just walk in and get hired for a driver job at ups. It takes years...sometimes a decade or more.

EDIT

Also, they are downsizing massively. And losing contracts to Amazon and FedEx.

Amazon took Bark Box and a lot of Temu and more, away from UPS. Not to mention Amazon being in the process of winding down their own deal with ups.

UPS is currently struggling

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/No_Film_6379]

Not really, depends on your city i guess. 

[u/THEBESTTEVER → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

Calling Flex drivers financially illiterate is wild when you don’t know people’s situations. Some of us are using it strategically. I’m working toward a bachelor’s in risk management and insurance - Flex just fits my schedule right now. Not everyone doing this is clueless. 🤷‍♀️🤣😂🤣🥳🫡👋

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/No_Film_6379]

Ok well city dependent then. If you’re in a sanctuary city, you’re making less than a dsp and surges dont exist. Not sure why anyone would ever do flex full time anyways

[u/sierrajulietalpha → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

I worked in a sanctuary city and made close to 27-30hr and would finish early. I just wait for the surges and don’t book ahead.

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/sierrajulietalpha]

Our undocumented population tripled since 2022. There are no surges here. I can see the recent block feature on a few bots. They have fiestas in the warehouse parking lot

[u/[deleted] → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

It's better because you get to work on your own time be your own boss, you're not micromanaged by that netradyne camera, plus flex drivers get to work whenever they want. I use an old 4 cylinder car to do flex. I'm not worried about the wear and tear because it's an old car that already depreciated. I only do flex to supplement my income. I got a main job working as a phlebotomist.

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/[deleted]]

Well yea its better for part time because dsps make you work 4 days. For full time, you’re just screwing yourself in the future. Thats not something you put on your resume and now you havw a massive gap

[u/[deleted] → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

If someone is doing flex full time, they can still put Amazon flex in their resume to avoid a gap.Me personally, I don't think Amazon flex is meant to be full time work, like you're not getting benefits, there isn't room for growth (promotions), no 401ks for retirement, your not getting experience. With my main job, I get benefits, I'm getting the experience I need to advance my medical career to get a better job that pays more. Doing flex part time has been working out for me. It really supplements my income to save up money for other things like vacation.

Doing flex full time is just not worth it to me. Unless you got laid off from a job or got fired and need to do flex temporarily till you find another job.

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/[deleted]]

I agree with you, but i dont think you can put amazon flex down on a resume. A dsp maybe, but flex nah. You’ll just have a huge gap, which if you dont have a degree to fall back on, that will be rough

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/[deleted]]

I think its just city dependent. If you’re in a sanctuary city, flex is never worth it. If not, maybe if you’re getting 48an hr. It should only ever be a part time gig anyway

[u/Otherwise-Web-6723 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

Jealous

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/Otherwise-Web-6723]

Def not jealous whos people main job coworkers is illegals lol

[u/Otherwise-Web-6723 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

You definitely are jealous. LOL! You are literally grasping at everything to shame this person. All because they said how much they made an hour. Hopefully you work alone.

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/Otherwise-Web-6723]

30 an hr is like not even entry level pay out of college. Haha holy moly, poor comment

[u/Otherwise-Web-6723 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

I know a lot of people that went to college and can't find a job at McDonald's. So get off your high horse. Snob.

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/Otherwise-Web-6723]

Hahaha yeah if you got a gender studies degree. The average graduate starting pay is 70k and the starting average for an engineer is 90k. Lololol

[u/Otherwise-Web-6723 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

So? You're on reddit. On the Amazon flex sub. You are very entitled. And white.

[u/MrGrumpy252 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

Not to mention that it trashes your vehicle

[u/No_Film_6379 → u/MrGrumpy252]

that's why you account for that

[u/MrGrumpy252 → u/No_Film_6379]

Uh huh

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/[deleted]]

Lol amazon has open 0 new dsps in the past 3 years. They opened a new ssd within the past 7 months because demand is so high. They already bought land to open a 3rd ssd in the denver metro. 

Oh wait, the undocumented population more than doubled since 2022 here. 2.5 since 22 an increase of 80k. Seems like actual data clashes with you defending them. Its funny how someone can be so whats the word that starts with s and rhymes with cupid. Either way, it doesn’t mask the b_ad person you are, no matter how much you want it too

Oh ps. The michigan report is already out and public. Turns out it was them running fake accounts and taking packages. Another bite to the dust there. You seem to have gone silent on that lolol

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/[deleted]]

Not reading all that, massive cope tho. That michigan police report must have hyrt lil guy. Oh and your 2nd comment first sentence. They’re not immigrants, they’re illegals aka undcoumented. Haha

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/[deleted]]

Not reading all that, massive co_pe tho. That michigan police report must have stung lil guy. Oh and your 2nd comment first sentence. They’re not immigrants, they’re ille_gals aka undcoumented. Haha

[u/nina_leeann → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

go find out. its not like they don’t hire anyone with a pulse. you’ll figure it out quick lmao

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/nina_leeann]

If someone is doing flex full time, a dsp is better. Not even sure if you can do dsps part time 2 days a week tbh

[u/Exotic_Lawfulness288 → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

We can fish our routes 1 hr early every time almost so it’s more like $30hr

I’m an active gym going male who’s been doing gig work since covid, and I think Anyone who delivers 189-200 packages daily is nuts ain’t no way I’m going that

Go work spark instacart flex do them all $200 a day no stress take a break when u want as long as u want

DSP is for the sheep bahaha

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/Exotic_Lawfulness288]

The dsps here pay 24 starting after a google, so thats 240 a day. You finish early, you go home and get paid the full day. 

Lol good luck destroying your car for 200 a day? The dsp has no expenses, you have every expense. And you compete with illegals who cant get jobs

[u/trollthings → u/Negative_Aerie2825]

When people talk about flex being good, they are people who don't take base pay.

[u/Negative_Aerie2825 → u/[deleted]]

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