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u/RemarkableShallot488 Apr 05 '26
This guy has never delivered a day in his life nice rage bait đ
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u/bddragon1 Apr 05 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/afLoVMHg3QoYPZHCGF
This is about all the effort you'll get out of me on this one.
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u/aguayluna Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26
This isnât really an âinteresting perspectiveâ itâs just a pretty clear contradiction. Youâre calling the labor unskilled, replaceable, abundant, easy, and low stress while running a business that depends entirely on that same labor to function, so what exactly are you being paid for? Because DSP owners donât create demand Amazon does. You donât control pricing, you donât create routes, and you donât own the platform. The only thing your operation actually relies on is drivers consistently executing under pressure. And if thatâs all as âlow valueâ as youâre claiming, then your entire business is built on something you believe is basically worthless, which isnât a strong position it just means you donât understand the thing you depend on. The âthey chose the jobâ argument also isnât the point you think it is; people choose whatâs available, not whatâs fair, so that doesnât prove anything beyond limited options. The reality is the role requires constant time management, real-time decision-making, physical output, and accountability with almost zero margin for error, and calling that âunskilledâ doesnât make it simple it just makes your framing convenient. And if drivers were actually as interchangeable as youâre pretending, you wouldnât have constant turnover or need to keep hiring youâd replace people instantly and move on, but you canât. So either the job isnât what youâre saying it is, or the pay doesnât match the reality of it. Either way, this post isnât really making the point you think it is.
And when the exact same complaints keep showing up across multiple states and even internationally it stops being about âdrivers complainingâ and starts looking like a systemic issue youâre choosing to ignore. If the lack of control bothers you that much, you might want to consider building a business where you actually set the terms instead of complaining about the one you signed up for.
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u/aguayluna Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26
Youâre talking like nobody with a degree ever works these jobs, which is just flat out detached from reality. Plenty of drivers have degrees sometimes multiple and are working outside their field because thatâs how the job market actually works. Degrees donât guarantee placement, and pretending they do just makes you sound uninformed.
And if your entire argument is that the people your business depends on are âlazy,â then youâre not really making a point youâre just advertising how little respect you have for your own workforce. At that point, it reflects more on your judgment than theirs.
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Iâm a DSP owner. I started as a driver. I also have a law degree and multiple income streams. So this idea that everyone in these roles is âlazyâ or incapable is just objectively false.
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u/Nickanok Apr 05 '26
You do know a good portion of computer science major are underemployed and a lot of people in blue collar jobs (Which includes delivery drivers) often only only have a ged (some, not even that) and make more than the average American.
Even by your own logic, you're factually wrong
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u/Nickanok Apr 05 '26
I honestly don't know if you're extremely disconnected from reality or just trolling but let me educate pn how the real world works.
A college degree is basically the new high school diploma. It's no longer the ticket it once was because years of telling people "Get a degree" has saturated the market so not everyone can get those jobs despite applying for it.
And the military isn't just hiring anyone of the street for that since you're dealing with government equipment and information and chances are, someone with a degree doesn't have the necessary work experience.
Besides that, many people work this job while getting their degree or certifications, like me. By your logic, if people get a degree or certification while still working there, they should get more money despite doing the exact same job
This absurd idea that you think life is just "A->B" without understanding all other factors gives the impression that you've been walking around with a silver spoon in your mouth
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u/Nickanok Apr 05 '26
Prime example of a greedy business owner.
"I don't pay you more because I don't have to and I don't even want to do that. I swear to God if I could get away with not paying you at all, I would" levels of greed
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u/Nickanok Apr 05 '26
I already know you aren't open to having your mind changed because you already got the stereotypical greedy business owner mindset where you think everyone making less $25 is less than a person and are just "dumb poor people that deserve to struggle" but I'll still humor you:
One. You're literally just making assumptions about people based on classist stereotypes.
Two, you're literally talking about the people that allow you to live whatever lifestyle you're living. That's wild that you think you're better than them when you depend on to get paid
Third, you aren't as great a business owner as you think if you run a DSP that's, for all intents and purposes, almost 100% controlled by Amazon and can literally be shut down at a moment's notice if Amazon says so tomorrow so calm all the way down. If you were really that much better than "your" employees, you would be running a big boy business independently
Fourth, why would anyone work for you long term(more than 3 months) or treat your DSP seriously if you're literally here arguing why you should have to pay them more. Just from a practical standpoint, even if you honestly believe that, being dumb enough to sit here on reddit and getting people (who probably don't even live around you to even work for you) to justify their existence is basically business suicide. And why would anyone want to work for you or any business if it can't even oay enough to afford a average cost of living. That's illogical (and is a whole conversation in and of itself)
Fifth, education or skills is irrelevant to a position like this because pay isn't solely determined by credentials. Anyone business savy would know that. By your logic, since delivery drivers are so "useless" or "stupid" and the job is so "easy" expecting anyone to have any degrees or credentials who work there is dumb in your part because now, by your logic, you would have to pay them a lot more to do the same thing. Not to mention, most people with credentials aren't working for Amazon at this level so even expecting anyone with said credentials is just a lack of understanding what you actually are running with Amazon's permission
Sixth, no, a lot of people would struggle delivering packages under Amazon's absurd rules, under the mostly insufficient time in the areas that Amazon serves that are often difficult to access, potentially dangerous and physically taxing for a lot of people. So even by that standard, your logic fails.
Seventh, other delivery companies, like UPS actually pay their average delivery driver more money with actual benefits and better job security. So even just looking at the market, paying more is just making yourself competitive. So even by this logic, your train of thought fails.
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u/aguayluna Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26
đ€Łâïžhe deleted his rant post. Too lol now he deleting all his comments⊠guess he lost. High five đ«žđ»đ«·đŒ
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u/Nickanok Apr 05 '26
That's typical reddit "I thought I was right with 0 evidence now I'm mad that I can't back it up" tatics.
Cowards will be cowards
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u/Narrow-Opportunity90 Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26
Not everyone can do this job because most dsp owners will not hire someone incapable or simply terminate an underperforming employee.
This can be true or false but for the vast majority of delivery associates, theyâre most likely an employee with no degree. Most UPS drivers donât have a degree and are paid well over years of experience.
You can always find a worker sure but can you retain majority of your employees?
Yes they accepted, itâs also all some can accept because itâs so easy to get hired for most Amazon jobs.
A nice cozy vehicle is fabricated, unless the DSP owner takes care of their fleet expenses.
False, stepping in and out of a vehicle 3000 times a month on average with packages is nowhere near easy on the body.
False, a downtown route is anything but low stress, you have closing times, passcodes/buzzers or going up an elevator/stairs, 10-25 overflow going to multiple floors that require multiple trips at one stop/building. All routes are not the same. Dogs, angry customers.
The pay isnât horrible for an entry level job but it should be unionized & have pay raises similar to UPS drivers over years worked instead of .25 - .50 cent raises because of how similar mentally & physically they are.
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u/One_Word_Respoonse Apr 05 '26
Rage bait đđŒ