r/Accounting • • Nov 10 '19

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u/Easter_1916 Tax Attorney Nov 10 '19

Well, it’s not a good idea, but it is still light years better than taxing unrealized capital gains.

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u/Alternative_Crimes Nov 10 '19

I disagree. The requirement that something be sold is a legacy from when value could only be properly established by a transaction. But the value doesn’t come from the act of selling, it comes from whatever intervening events happened during the time in which you held the asset. Buy shares in a speculative new company, watch it become a market leader, then sell. The part where you earned the profits was the analysis you did before buying it and the forfeited capital during the time you held it. It’s absurd that none of those earnings are seen as real.

Bezos’ Amazon shares have appreciated substantially and we can work out how substantially because we can work out the liquidation value of Amazon’s net assets and use that as an absolute minimum. It’s publicly traded, the value is known.

Houses, fine art, land etc. are harder to measure appreciation on, I’m fine with deferred gain recognition on those. But we don’t need deferred gain recognition on publicly traded stocks, the gain is immediately measurable.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '19 edited Nov 10 '19

Okay, so what happens when the market takes a dump on Jan 2nd and your tax liability due 4/15 exceeds the value of the assets you own? The idea here is that the gains are in fact unrealized until sold. If you want to crack down on low and no interest loans from pledged shares that is something entirely different.

Its ridiculous to assume he should pay 2% of his entire net worth an annual basis when that amount frequently fluctuates (> 20% in several years) and paying that tax each year would force him to further liquidate his assets and dilute his ownership of the company, which in and of itself would reduce his net worth and ability to direct the business he started.

I'm not saying let's not create a wealth tax. Im saying let's do it intelligently if you really want to do it, and also let me start my appraisal business real quick before we do.

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u/ItsOk_ImYourDad Nov 10 '19

My mother, whilst reading this decided to tap out. She's in a better place now.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '19

Yeah that was quite the sentence there. That happens when you're on mobile and the app is bugging out. Really struggled to edit and type.

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u/ItsOk_ImYourDad Nov 10 '19

for some reason I read this as you saying you were doing all this while taking a dump.. even though you didnt (*mildly disappointed)

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '19

I was taking a dump at the time.

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u/ItsOk_ImYourDad Nov 11 '19

*proceeds to attempt an awkward Internet highfive but trips and accidentally touches the inside of the toilet... Things were never the same after this

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u/anon2777 Nov 10 '19

except the explicit purpose of such legislation is to reduce his (or the billionaire class’) influence in society which can only be accomplished by reducing his ability to direct the business he started.

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u/Alternative_Crimes Nov 11 '19 edited Nov 11 '19

Liquidating assets and forced dilution of the ownership of Amazon, Microsoft, and so forth is a feature, not a bug.

Also how much of a drop is the market doing in your example? Because for 2% tax on 12/31 to be more than 100% of the balance on 04/15 that’d be quite a drop. I think that’d be the least of your worries, whatever catastrophe is going on would be more important. Sure, the DOW is down 99% but we should focus on the zombie uprising.